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The dad of one of my friends posted this as his facebook status, directed toward people who were pro-Obama....I'm glad he moved to Australia (though sucks for you Australians) because I was tired of him.

Yes my former Facebook friends, I am removing any and all family and friends who committed high treason and sold out America because I cannot stand your betrayal. Good luck in life and I hope your choice works out for you, love ya and God bless. I am slowly excommunicating you from my Facebook for heresy, blasphemy, occultic worship, neo-paganism, and child sacrifice..and because I think your nasty... here my vote counts... you are the weakest link goodbye. Nothing personnel, ok well it is really goodbye.

One time like 2 years ago when I tried to tell him that there were founding fathers that weren't Christian, he belittled me for being young (said he had socks older than me) and insulted me, calling me a liar lol.
 
Ok, this may or may not be the place to ask this, but it's been bugging me and my research isn't providing anything useful...

What, exactly, did Obama supposedly do wrong in regards to the Benghazi attack? I keep hearing about it in the context of stuff like "oh, Obama's going to lose the foreign policy debate because of Benghazi" and then in this thread, I'm seeing constant references to how he supposedly let the victims of the attacks get killed.

I remember hearing about the attack when it happened, but I didn't follow any of the coverage of the aftermath, so I'm pretty confused as to what these people are talking about. All I can find is nitpicking over whether or not he called it a terrorist attack and something about how extra security was denied in Tripoli (600+ miles away from Benghazi).

Am I missing something, or is this just more insane birther-level conspiracy theory crap?

What I've seen the right saying on the subject:

-There should have been more security for that compound, especially because it was on the anniversary of 9/11, and Obama failed as a Commander-in-Chief because of a lack of security.
-Obama should have been more forceful in his classification of this being a terrorist attack (if they even admit that he called it a terror attack within that 9 day period or whatever) and his waffling on this made us look indecisive in crisis's.
-That a lack of strong enough and immediate condemnation or military response of some kind signals American weakness on the international stage to both our enemies and allies.
-That by involving the anti-Islamic video in any fashion is trying to pass the buck and shows poor leadership.
 
I've never understood the arguments from the right that "______ Obama decision/action makes America look weak". Uh..look weak to whom, exactly? Or compared to what other country? Who seriously sees Obama bowing to leaders from Japan and Saudi Arabia out of respect and thinks "Obama bowing? Man, America...the world's number one super-power, what a bunch of fucking pansies."

And this is despite Obama have the balls to send a black ops task force into Pakistan to find Bin Laden without telling any Pakistani officials until after it was completed, on top of not knowing with 100% certainty that the guy would even there at the time of the raid. I'm beginning to to think Conservatives are the only ones that ever think America looks weak in this day and age -_-
 
Fortunately, my brother is more level-headed.

Your bro and myself agree 100%.

There has to be more of us out there.

Smart well-educated people who truly believe in smaller government (smart regulation, not ZERO regulation), fiscal conservatism (but funding programs that are a hand up not a handout), while allowing people of all backgrounds, persuasions, and walks of life their right to purse happiness.

If the Republicans can hit this tone, they will win some elections. Do it not, and they will only be a regional party forever more.
 
The dad of one of my friends posted this as his facebook status, directed toward people who were pro-Obama....I'm glad he moved to Australia (though sucks for you Australians) because I was tired of him.



One time like 2 years ago when I tried to tell him that there were founding fathers that weren't Christian, he belittled me for being young (said he had socks older than me) and insulted me, calling me a liar lol.

Don't feel bad, he probably has socks smarter than him.
 
I've never understood the arguments from the right that "______ Obama decision/action makes America look weak". Uh..look weak to whom, exactly? Or compared to what other country? Who seriously sees Obama bowing to leaders from Japan and Saudi Arabia out of respect and thinks "Obama bowing? Man, America...the world's number one super-power, what a bunch of fucking pansies."

And this is despite Obama have the balls to send a black ops task force into Pakistan to find Bin Laden without telling any Pakistani officials until after it was completed, on top of not knowing with 100% certainty that the guy was even there at the time of the raid. I'm beginning to to think Conservatives are the only ones that ever think America looks weak in this day and age -_-

You have to understand, to some people treating other countries with civility and respect and not acting like America is the home of God's chosen people and the rest of the world should consider themselves lucky that we deem them worthy of talking to and trading with is "weakness"
 
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This thread on my school's college football message board are like tears that never stop giving.

I truly believe we have now become a country of entitlement. Public has spoken. The masses would rather be fed than taught to fish. We are down the path of Europe. Sad sad day.

America changed before today. 2008 was a third world charismatic election. No accident Obama is The View POTUS. The beauty of it is Americans haven't really felt the pain because they have had a golden goose to feather their nest. Today they voted to kill the goose unawares. They will begin to pay the piper almost immediately. America was ill but now its terminal and its going to get surgery. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I say bring it on because I know where this goes and all's well that ends well.

It begins with the Middle East. Its going to blow in a big way because it was forced to simmer too long. Just like Hitler was ignored leading up to WWII the lunatics in all the ME have been ignored - that is until Obama started taking their sides. One constant with Obama is that the more anti-US and anti-Isreal an element is the more Obama does for them. It's the allies who get it in the back and Israel sees it. They aren't going to sit back and let rabid dogs wipe them out while a souless Marxist POTUS greases the skids for them. Israel already said it will use nukes because it cant hit Iran's nuke operations with planes. Russians showed them how to escape that. There is also chatter Israel has new tech in store. Whatever the means, Isreal is going to blow the $hit out of the Cretans in the ME. The whole ball of string will unwind after that. So many nations are against each other - so many nations are divided from within - and all while the global economy is a house of cards just waiting for a little breeze. Being so reliant on the web and high tech will be a disaster. Nobody needs conspiracy books or complicated eschatology to see any of this. Nobody needed an MBA to see housing bubble. Too many things are wrong - and they are all tied together like hankies out of a magicians hat. The world is headed for a cull bigger than WWII. I'm not trying to convince anybody. It really wont be that long from now. Get out of the big city. Sandy is a picnic compared to what's on deck.

93% of blacks, 70% of hispanics... greater numbers of both voting.

If the GOP were to do a better job courting Hispanics it would turn this all around. As it stands, with the Dems leading with Hispanics, and letting more and more of them in, voting, legally or not, the Dem base is growing and as whites do NOT vote as a block and have a low birth rate anyway, the GOP based on getting much of the white vote is doomed.

If whites were as racist as Obama's minions think, Obama could never have been elected in the first place. And I saw a Hispanic leader on TV yesterday saying Hispanics make up 17% of the nation but they only have 3 Senate seats instead of 17... that is the mentality we are dealing with. If whites thought that way there would be ZERO minorities in national offices.

My guess is the Dems put up a woman in 2016. Maybe Oprah.

Oh, and empty vessel will absolutely love this post:

I think America has changed, but not really for the reasons offered above.

One aspect of human nature borne out by many studies is that, all else being equal, people will choose instant gratification over deferred gratification. This isn't a shocking statement. In fact, a recent experiment placed children in a room along with a treat. An administrator offered the child a choice ? they could either eat the treat immediately, or wait 10 minutes and have 2 treats. More than 70% of children took the single treat. As a species, all else being equal, we'd like to consume more, now, than later.

If we looked at American 50 years ago, we'd see a lot of differences versus what we observe today. More women in the workplace. A more diverse country. A larger, more prosperous country as well. We'd also see something that our grandparents did not have access to, and that is credit of all types. Credit cards, auto loans, mortgage products. You name it, and by and large, we can finance it and buy it now, not later. Americans 50 years ago, though still subject to some lingering anti-debt Depression era thoughts, were really not a lot different except they could not borrow to fund consumption. They had to save, and defer consumption, in order to enjoy things that we are able to purchase in minutes, via credit card, online from a mobile device.
So, people have not changed. What has changed is their access to a tool which allows them to indulge a part of their nature, and that has profound implication for how well a campaign message promoting individual success resonates. Yes, in any opinion poll, you'll get a large majority of people saying they admire individual effort and success borne of hard work, but the emotional strength of that message is weaker since you can enjoy the trappings of success without attaining actual success. Simply put, a message extolling the virtues of deferred gratification and its virtues is unlikely to resonate with an electorate happy to fund consumption with credit while tweeting and texting on their daily activities.

And what is true at the individual level is also true at the institutional level. Wars financed with borrowing as opposed to tax rate increases? No problem. It wasn't done in the past because it couldn't be done in the past. Want a health insurance plan that papers over the real issue of health care? No problem.

At the core of all of this is the paper dollars role in international financial markets, permitting the US to run trade deficits into seeming perpetuity and borrow to finance a substantial amount of our annual spending. The advent of the paper dollar opened the credit spigot. When it's closed off, conservative ideas will be very much in vogue again. Let's hope we have the wisdom to adopt them before the hose is turned off.

From some guy who works on Wall Street. From his posting style, I believe him. Defines "out of touch."

With that said, you can go to any college football message board and find posts similar to the ones above.
 
I've never understood the arguments from the right that "______ Obama decision/action makes America look weak". Uh..look weak to whom, exactly? Or compared to what other country? Who seriously sees Obama bowing to leaders from Japan and Saudi Arabia out of respect and thinks "Obama bowing? Man, America...the world's number one super-power, what a bunch of fucking pansies."

And this is despite Obama have the balls to send a black ops task force into Pakistan to find Bin Laden without telling any Pakistani officials until after it was completed, on top of not knowing with 100% certainty that the guy would even there at the time of the raid. I'm beginning to to think Conservatives are the only ones that ever think America looks weak in this day and age -_-

As a Brit, having 48% of your country vote for Mitt Romney makes you look weak.
 
I've never understood the arguments from the right that "______ Obama decision/action makes America look weak". Uh..look weak to whom, exactly? Or compared to what other country? Who seriously sees Obama bowing to leaders from Japan and Saudi Arabia out of respect and thinks "Obama bowing? Man, America...the world's number one super-power, what a bunch of fucking pansies."

1. Bowing shows submissiveness. Can't have our President being submissive to one of those Mooslim nations, can we?
2. it makes us look weak to everyone. But apparently, looking strong means never admitting to mistakes, and being right means never having to say you're sorry.
 
I have a guy on mine relishing in the reactionary layoffs, he's in for a bit of fun right now...

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As a Brit, having 48% of your country vote for Mitt Romney makes you look weak.

Powerful weak.

That aside, what's with all the US handwringing over Israel? I know they've got some SERIOUS lobbying power in the US but at the end of the day they're still a barely related country that's thousands of miles away. Is it that they're seen as the last bastion of Western influence in a volatile region or is there more to it than that?

As a Brit I find it quite confusing. I certainly don't recall support like that when we were being regularly bombed by the IRA. Hell, as I recall the IRA did most of their fundraising in the US and had fairly significant support there.
 
Wow, this thread has actually been very educational. It really allows you to get into the head of many of these people.

I didn't realize that the whole meme of "Obama just gives out free stuff" was so big. It is so odd to me since if Obama actually passed a big additional program handing out free stuff, Mitt Romney would have run ads on that. But no new program was created. I guess the amount of people has gone up but that is what happens when you have a recession.

Now I kinda understand why Romney's team ran that 'Obama removed work requirement from welfare' commercial (even though it was not true). He wanted to fan the flames of this sentiment even more. But that ad probably back-fired. First because the media attacked it as being false. And second because he was going after people he already had while alienating many other people.
 
And now, friends, the sweetest tears of all; the tears you cannot see, but can only imagine:

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren't: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn't settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn't want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn't been reported, could make a difference.
Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.

Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.

"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.
 
I only had 2 people spewing bullshit on my facebook. And the only person celebrating was someone in Washington with regards to gay marriage. I have chosen my friends wisely! Now my extended family on the other hand....
 
Powerful weak.
That aside, what's with all the US handwringing over Israel? I know they've got some SERIOUS lobbying power in the US but at the end of the day they're still a barely related country that's thousands of miles away. Is it that they're seen as the last bastion of Western influence in a volatile region or is there more to it than that?

The religious right believe the second coming of Jesus will occur there, so it must be protected at all costs.
 
Other than that nonsense, not much. However, his post was pretty much taking some reasonable points and then combining it into a Ron Paul moment.

Other than the gold standard crap (Yay Ron Paul!), I thought overall it had some interesting points... Points sailient to the "conversation" of government spending.

Either way, these conservative facebookers make me sad. :(

This is 'Merica! You don't turn your back on her when an election doesn't go your way.
 
Lol at the Dolphins fan one, and the "sitting down with George Washington.

The best meltdowns have been in the arguments in the comments. As soon as I find some of the funniest ones, I'll post.

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As long as someone has a legitimate, non racist argument against Obama getting reelected, I really don't have a problem with.. The standing against Israel example, even though I do not agree with it, I can at least see where she is coming from.

Some of them are legitimately funny, I laughed at the dolphins thing.
 
White people majority for Romney?

bubububu this is not about race


Fucking bullshit. So, so glad Obama won.

Not surprised that the GOP are sore losers. So many lols to be had, especially with the moving to Australia/Canada/... comments. There is literally not a single first world country I can think of that is less socialist than the USA.

She lives pretty close. I'll go investigate for you guys.

Take a dump on her doorstep.
 
it is interesting to note the republicans theme this time seems to be welfare state focused, last time it was palin rally type xenophobia
 
I really would like to have seen how far a thread like this would have made it if the other guy won, liberal-GAF (i.e., everyone else on GAF).

I was upset that Gore lost, but I just went back to doing my normal routine. I waited to see what Bush would do and I laughed at the material he provided for comedians, all in all I didn't do much outside of a mental "noooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
 
no suprise to find you lack a sense of humor.

No surprise? If that is supposed to be some sort of personal dig at me because of something I said in another thread, do me a favor and PM me about instead of being so passive aggressive, will ya?


The religious right believe the second coming of Jesus will occur there, so it must be protected at all costs.

I am a religious moderate conservative and have been around Christians all my life. I can tell you with absolute certainly that that is utter bullshit, and that the only reason the religious right is adamant about protecting Israel is because it is the land of the Jews, who are, Biblically speaking, God's chosen people. The Bible is comprised of the contents of the Tanakh and early Jewish-Christian books and letters. To call yourself a follower of Christ and not be a political ally of Israel would be heresy.
 
Wow, this thread has actually been very educational. It really allows you to get into the head of many of these people.

I didn't realize that the whole meme of "Obama just gives out free stuff" was so big. It is so odd to me since if Obama actually passed a big additional program handing out free stuff, Mitt Romney would have run ads on that. But no new program was created. I guess the amount of people has gone up but that is what happens when you have a recession.

Now I kinda understand why Romney's team ran that 'Obama removed work requirement from welfare' commercial (even though it was not true). He wanted to fan the flames of this sentiment even more. But that ad probably back-fired. First because the media attacked it as being false. And second because he was going after people he already had while alienating many other people.

Most of the time, 'hand outs' is just code for 'black people'.
 
Other than the gold standard crap (Yay Ron Paul!), I thought overall it had some interesting points... Points sailient to the "conversation" of government spending.

Yeah, he does point some potential problems, however, when you are offering up the "gold standard" as a solution to these problems, that's when you reach melt down status. Also: Pointing out that Romney lost because he dared to demand that Americans "work hard" gets him no favors. It's just another coded welfare & lazy Obama voters comment.
 
I am a religious moderate conservative and have been around Christians all my life. I can tell you with absolute certainly that that is utter bullshit, and that the only reason the religious right is adamant about protecting Israel is because it is the land of the Jews, who are, Biblically speaking, God's chosen people. The Bible is comprised of the contents of the Tanakh and early Jewish-Christian books and letters. To call yourself a follower of Christ and not be a political ally of Israel would be heresy.

cool well some people don't want official policy especially concerning possible nuclear war to be based on 4000 year old disputes between nomads killing each other because they were told to by sky ghosts
 

Were they really that shocked? You never know if these narratives are real or just something the writer came up with.

But that is pretty sad if they were that delusional (and very good that they did NOT get elected). The writing was on the wall. Nate's 538 was there for everyone to read. Sam Wang's Princeton Election Consortium also spelled it all out.

If you are really that out of touch then you should not be in a leadership role. You can't make wise decisions if you live in a bubble with bad information.
 
I am a religious moderate conservative and have been around Christians all my life. I can tell you with absolute certainly that that is utter bullshit, and that the only reason the religious right is adamant about protecting Israel is because it is the land of the Jews, who are, Biblically speaking, God's chosen people. The Bible is comprised of the contents of the Tanakh and early Jewish-Christian books and letters. To call yourself a follower of Christ and not be a political ally of Israel would be heresy.

I'm not sure if your answer or his is more disturbing. I sort of preferred my preconceptions... at least they made some sort of political sense to me.

Thanks all the same though. Very educational.
 
cool well some people don't want official policy especially concerning possible nuclear war to be based on 4000 year old disputes between nomads killing each other because they were told to by sky ghosts

Ha, agreed here.

I want to protect Isreal because they are the only democracy over there, they have nuclear weapons, and one of our only allies over there.
 
I am a religious moderate conservative and have been around Christians all my life. I can tell you with absolute certainly that that is utter bullshit, and that the only reason the religious right is adamant about protecting Israel is because it is the land of the Jews, who are, Biblically speaking, God's chosen people. The Bible is comprised of the contents of the Tanakh and early Jewish-Christian books and letters. To call yourself a follower of Christ and not be a political ally of Israel would be heresy.
Well . . . people do seem to have varying views. I think that view is quite popular. But it is not the only one. Pat Buchanan is a Christian conservative and he is not a bit Israel supporter.
 
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