SCULLIBUNDO
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You won't change my mind that the scene was written really clumsily. It was over the top with melodrama so rife it could have been on daytime television.
Halo 4 Story Spoilers and Speculations
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You won't change my mind that the scene was written really clumsily. It was over the top with melodrama so rife it could have been on daytime television.
Stuff I've been thinking about:
Who is the man talking to Halsey at the prologue? They make a point of Halsey saying he is not ONI.
Why do they keep referring to cortana's physicality? They do this through the scene where she talks about feeling the suns warmth, the scene where she touches the chief and in hasley's diary entry at the crash site.
She disappears when the composer is active, which is a tool to turn physical forms into digital and vice versa.
Same time, the Didact falls into a slip space field.
My theory is its the Didact talking to Hasley in the prologue, but that is not Hasley, it's cortana. But it is in some alternate reality based in that geas ( can't remember what it was called in primordium). Cortana is being interrogated by the Didact before being consumed by him or changed into physical form for some purpose. The prologue is actually taking part at the end if Halo 4's story.
Probably a load of bollocks.
Who is the man talking to Halsey at the prologue? They make a point of Halsey saying he is not ONI.
Why do they keep referring to cortana's physicality? They do this through the scene where she talks about feeling the suns warmth, the scene where she touches the chief and in hasley's diary entry at the crash site.
She disappears when the composer is active, which is a tool to turn physical forms into digital and vice versa.
Same time, the Didact falls into a slip space field.
My theory is its the Didact talking to Hasley in the prologue, but that is not Hasley, it's cortana. But it is in some alternate reality based in that geas ( can't remember what it was called in primordium). Cortana is being interrogated by the Didact before being consumed by him or changed into physical form for some purpose. The prologue is actually taking part at the end if Halo 4's story.
Probably a load of bollocks.
And then Master Chief defeats evil Cortana with a QTE of love and happy feelings, Cortana says stuff about promises again, and they ride off into the sunset happily ever after.
You always make me laugh, Flipyap <3.
Unrelated, Fighting both the Prometheans and the Covenant in the campaign added to much of a complex puzzle that was not needed. Fighting only the Covenant you knew the set patters, so the puzzle was simple but still challenging and fun. Same goes for only fighting the Prometheans, they are way more fun of a puzzle later on when you only encountered them. A clear separation of them both would have helped the enemy encounters a ton.
Pie and Beans
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Finished the game, definitely felt like the best told Halo game story, even if by the end it didnt really feel like much happened at all.
Things the game super failed at really driving home however was the Covenant turning on humans again. Needed a cutscene or two there where some high up Covies bowed to the Didact as their living god rather than just a line by Cortana "oh looks like theyre teaming up". Really didnt sell the re-intro as Covenant as enemies after we all seemed pretty buddy buddy by Halo 3 end.
I also have no idea where Halo 5 will go now really. They sort of one and done'd the Didact and his amazing set of 2 new enemy types to fight.
A little too much happened "off screen" such as Grumpy McFleet Admiral getting deposed, but nevertheless it was the first Halo game that made me at least slightly invested in the plot since like Halo 2. Now they just really need to bring some new dynamic gameplay in for Halo 5, because boy was this pretty boring to actually play.
Things the game super failed at really driving home however was the Covenant turning on humans again. Needed a cutscene or two there where some high up Covies bowed to the Didact as their living god rather than just a line by Cortana "oh looks like theyre teaming up". Really didnt sell the re-intro as Covenant as enemies after we all seemed pretty buddy buddy by Halo 3 end.
I also have no idea where Halo 5 will go now really. They sort of one and done'd the Didact and his amazing set of 2 new enemy types to fight.
A little too much happened "off screen" such as Grumpy McFleet Admiral getting deposed, but nevertheless it was the first Halo game that made me at least slightly invested in the plot since like Halo 2. Now they just really need to bring some new dynamic gameplay in for Halo 5, because boy was this pretty boring to actually play.
But aren't the Covenant that you encounter in 4 only a small fraction of the remaining Covenant/not related to those allied with humans/prefer Storm Rifle starts over Carbine starts because every single Elite seems to have a Storm Rifle.
Hypertrooper
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Don't smoke that much anymore.
Wait a second... If the Forerunners could make a whole lot of Chakasbots, why the hell would they need to compose space granny Tillson into a robot monster?
And Guilty Spark was a Smart (if silly) AI, while these things hardly even count as Dumb AI - they're animalistic drones, and for some reason they need to disassemble a human/Forerunner to make every single one of them?
The entire concept behind the Prom Bots is so damn poor. Couldn't the Didact have handled this the old-fashioned way and opened a portal to Hell, or something? That would be a lot less convoluted and he'd still get to satisfy his juvenile fantasy of leading a flaming skull monster army.
"We didn't want them to look like robots, because they're not robots" ... except for the part where they're robots.
And Guilty Spark was a Smart (if silly) AI, while these things hardly even count as Dumb AI - they're animalistic drones, and for some reason they need to disassemble a human/Forerunner to make every single one of them?
The entire concept behind the Prom Bots is so damn poor. Couldn't the Didact have handled this the old-fashioned way and opened a portal to Hell, or something? That would be a lot less convoluted and he'd still get to satisfy his juvenile fantasy of leading a flaming skull monster army.
"We didn't want them to look like robots, because they're not robots" ... except for the part where they're robots.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I still think it's kind of retarded that 343 couldn't go for entirely new enemies for the WHOLE game and not recycle the Covenant somehow.
Not that the Covenant races should be best buds with Humanity, but at least recognized that they were played for fools by the Prophets and really have no reason to keep fighting each other over pointless bloodshed.
Not that the Covenant races should be best buds with Humanity, but at least recognized that they were played for fools by the Prophets and really have no reason to keep fighting each other over pointless bloodshed.
Buddermilk
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Not that they mentioned this in the game or anything, but the Covenant you encounter is the "Storm" faction, their being led by Jul' Mdama. He was captured by UNSC, held hostage on shield world Trevelyn, and discovers Oni is causing civil war on Sanghelios, and the Didacts location. UNSC also killed his wife and bff, waiting for the next book to see how he gets an army.
dragonelite
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Can i have what this man is having please...
HOLY SHIT, wish this was explained in the game. guess not until the next installment.
Ein Soph Aur
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snoopeasystreet
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What's the story of Humans going from being fucked up by the Covenant to being the dominant force in the galaxy over 4 years? I thought they were near being wiped out by Halo 3.
Ein Soph Aur
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They were able to acquire Forerunner tech from the shield world Onyx some of which they incorporated into the Infinity.
That, and the Covenant no longer exists.
The leadership of the covenant got destroyed in halo 3. They also got pissy with each other.
Der Flatulator
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I actually predicted many of Halo 4's plot lines a long time ago (If I could find the post, I would link it...). Such as return of the Didact, and it felt obvious that the Composer would be in the game, and then I thought the Didact would flee to Charum Hakkor, I was close.
As for Halo 5 speculation, at a higher level I'm stumped on what plot line they will go with. If I had to guess now, I would say that they bring the flood back, introduce the chief to the Mantle (via geas?). The Didact will return with his newly composed Prometheans, and seek to reclaim the mantle. I believe Halsey will play a crucial role, somehow creating a new Cortana. I also think that the Composer will be destroyed, and the Halo array will be fired once more, by the Chief to end Halo 6.
As for Halo 5 speculation, at a higher level I'm stumped on what plot line they will go with. If I had to guess now, I would say that they bring the flood back, introduce the chief to the Mantle (via geas?). The Didact will return with his newly composed Prometheans, and seek to reclaim the mantle. I believe Halsey will play a crucial role, somehow creating a new Cortana. I also think that the Composer will be destroyed, and the Halo array will be fired once more, by the Chief to end Halo 6.
I do fear that Halo may borrow a few of the ugly storypoints from the Mass Effect series that came way of Mass Effect 3. The Forerunner/Precursor/Promethean/Flood backdrop has a lot of Prothean/Leviathan/Collectors/Reaper similarities that I don't like. Here's to hoping that 343 differentiates it a bit more in Halo 5.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
He's mad at humans. This is their punishment.
Saw the similarities a bit myself, especially with the Composer which has a function very similar to a Reaper and Collector Base rolled into one. It would make the Reapers envious.
Der Flatulator
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Except for the part where he calls her "Dr. Halsey"
Cortana also uses Halseys personality when arriving at the asteroid base. She might think she is Halsey.
Der Flatulator
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Why would she say "You want to replace him [John]"? I'm very curious as to who he is, but I very much doubt he is the Didact...
Reason hasn't changed. Covenant see Forerunners as Gods.
Fair enough. I think whoever it is will be key in Halo 5.
Der Flatulator
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Also it's not explicitly stated that he's not from ONI, Halsey just says that he's not after Naval Intelligence. However I could be misinterpreting that tidbit.
thetrin
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"What are you after? The others before you were Naval Intelligence, but you...there's something else."
It's explicitly stated that he's not ONI.
Der Flatulator
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Yeah I interpreted that as "You're not after Naval Intelligence", not "Your Not from Naval Intelligence", but I'm probably wrong now that I see the word "were" when what she said is quoted.
thetrin
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I honestly had to watch the intro again before posting to make sure.
NobleGundam
Banned
The scenes where children test subjects in containment rooms, spartan augmentation, Halsey & Anonymous dude Interrogation (possibly past, present, or future) and spartan or chief fighting a chieftain appears to be prologue, BUT the Covenant Invasion and Spartans wearing Mk VII/Mk VI [?] fighting Covie Forces + Chief being (reunited or introduced) handed Cortana by Dr. Halsey appears to be the future. I've assumed this through observation but if can someone clarify the Prologue scenes would help a lot for many others who've questioned as well.
dragonelite
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Went searching on halopedia.
And this is what i found.
Some ancilla are stored in the different forerunner metarchies.
And the librian has her own metarchy so perhaps maybe she has a copy of cortana in there.
Given the fact that she had cortana for some time.
She did gave a hint that cortana was really important and she planned it all along for her to be matched with MC
And this is what i found.
Some ancilla are stored in the different forerunner metarchies.
And the librian has her own metarchy so perhaps maybe she has a copy of cortana in there.
Given the fact that she had cortana for some time.
She did gave a hint that cortana was really important and she planned it all along for her to be matched with MC
Was there anything to suggest that the Composer hasn't been destroyed along with the rest of the ship?
I mean, I would make sense to keep that plot device - without the Digital Flood, Proms are a lesser threat than the original Covenant, but wouldn't that be yet another endgame accomplishment taken away from the player?
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LAUGHTREY
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It's just the guy who replaced Halsey as the head of the Spartan program. He's trying to figure out why his spartans are a bunch of ineffective bro-dudess as opposed to Master Chief being a one man army.
ToyMachine228
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Think about some of the things certain human religions believe. Things that have been proved untrue, or are physically impossible. When it comes to faith, sometimes, some people can't be reasoned with. The same applies to this sect of the Covenant. Jul basically discovered them on accident. He took a Forerunner portal off Onyx and ended up on an Elite world that had essentially been secluded from the Covenant altogether. So, they are fanatics. They still believe in the old ways, so to speak. Jul himself does not, but he hides that from them to take advantage, become their leader, and lead them to Requiem in hopes of finding Forerunner technology that will help him get revenge against the humans since the Elites as a whole are in civil war and a complete state of disarray. They're not able to just rise up against humanity through traditional means at this moment in time. So he gathers up fanatic forces who still believe that the Forerunners are gods, maybe buys mercenaries (like Jackals) and whoever else he can gather that's interested in the Forerunners and heads to Requiem.
So I've noticed a lot of Hardcore campaign and story guys have issues with some of the story not making sense or is hard to follow. Some recommending reading the extended fiction to get it.
What exactly is everyone getting hung up on. To prepare for playing Halo 4, I watched the last Halo 3 cutscenes and the Halo Legends Origin story. I pretty much understood what was going on in Halo 4 and enjoyed it all thoroughly. Now that I've beaten the game, I'm reading through Cryptum and am enjoying it as well.
What exactly is everyone getting hung up on. To prepare for playing Halo 4, I watched the last Halo 3 cutscenes and the Halo Legends Origin story. I pretty much understood what was going on in Halo 4 and enjoyed it all thoroughly. Now that I've beaten the game, I'm reading through Cryptum and am enjoying it as well.
NullPointer
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For what? The humans he fought no longer exist. Isn't he upset at pre-Halo firing humanity? The ones he devolved?
Or he's just got a problem with a certain flavor of DNA?
And aren't the Forerunners gone after the firing of the rings? If so, of course somebody else will have to step up to take the mantle.
All of this just seems to make more sense if the rings had never fired. But once you cleanse the galaxy of all sentient life and start anew, you'd figure you'd leave some grudges behind. Unless of course you're batshit crazy, which didn't seem to be the case with the Didact from the the books and terminals.
The P of Poland
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The story was very, very, poorly explained in game.
Nothing in the H4 story makes sense. It's the case with everything new 343 has added, "It's cool and makes sense because we say it does!"
There's a lot of exagerrating going on. There are problems and pieces missing that should be there for contextual reasons, but the core is fine. The story is about Chief and Cortana and that stuff is great. Everything else is peripheral.
NobleGundam
Banned
I understand your first point, seeing as the Videos needed to be within the game.
But what do you mean by "Nothing in 4's story makes sense"? Needs clarity to your opinion.
Without the Terminals, it does not feel complete, especially in the characterization of the Librarian and the Didact. Without the context of their motivations and the history, The Librarian and The Didact are much more two dimensional. "Hey this dude is evil and hates humanity for some reason, go kill him because it's your destiny and because I said so." The Terminal stuff should have been most definitely integrated into the actual story, and there's no good reason why it was kept as periphery.
NullPointer
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I'd agree with you only up until the point Didact steps onto the scene, and then every action you take is not about getting back to Halsey, but instead about defeating the Didact.
So if anything, Halo 4 has two partial storylines, both of them mishandled.
The worst part of all this is that whenever story was injected into the game, it was awesome. There just wasn't enough of it, and it didn't coincide with enough interesting game objectives where those ideas could have been explored further.