SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah. And what's funny is that not a whole lot happens in the story compared to the other games.
Halo 4 Story Spoilers and Speculations
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Yeah. And what's funny is that not a whole lot happens in the story compared to the other games.
XANDER CAGE
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Wait... what? I think you guys are reading way too much into the prologue. Pretty sure all of it is, y'know, a prologue. Chief is MIA because he's still asleep floating around Requiem, and all of the shots of him fighting/being mopey are just ways to set up his personality/visualize the interrogator's assertion that Spartans have trouble socializing.
NobleGundam
Banned
MC & Cortana's Priority was to find Halsey and fix Cortana's Neural Net. Everything changed once the Didact showed up and the Librarian's "Inception" upon the Chief of the Human-Forerunner War + The Composer.
Their main objective would likely fail once this Greater threat was introduced.
They chosed to eliminate this new threat over abandoning it for their own well being.
343 did explain that Chief will in fact make sacrifices for Humanity. Something our Hero must unfortunately endure greatly...
Their main objective would likely fail once this Greater threat was introduced.
They chosed to eliminate this new threat over abandoning it for their own well being.
343 did explain that Chief will in fact make sacrifices for Humanity. Something our Hero must unfortunately endure greatly...
This time the focus might have been on recovering your LovePlus save, but it's this peripheral stuff that's going to shape the future of the franchise.
Ten more years of fighting robot lava ant dogs. Thanks, Obama.
XANDER CAGE
Member
I don't think anyone's questioning this basic structure, it's just that the Didact and Librarian's actions are both very vaguely explained.
Neuromancer
Member
I loved the game, but thought the story was terrible. The Cortana rampancy stuff was way over the top; I think it could have been handled with a lot more subtlety. The stuff with the Didact and the Librarian was really poorly explained. Instead of tapping into even more obscure Halo mythology, this game was an opportunity for the team to start something fresh and I think that was a poor choice to keep going back to the well instead of coming up with something new (to the player and to Master Chief). I mean I've played every Halo game (1 and 2 not to completion so maybe I missed something) but I had no idea who they were.
Lasky was cool though.
Anyway my hope for the next game - that I know will never happen - is 343i leaves all the baggage behind, keeps Cortana dead, gets Chief a new AI (I nominate Roland), and begins a new conflict- not with the Covenant and not with these obscure alien characters.
Lasky was cool though.
Anyway my hope for the next game - that I know will never happen - is 343i leaves all the baggage behind, keeps Cortana dead, gets Chief a new AI (I nominate Roland), and begins a new conflict- not with the Covenant and not with these obscure alien characters.
What does this have to do with anything?
The whole point of him hating humans was him feeling like we were forcefully taking the Mantle of Responsibility when he feels it belongs to the Forerunners and it should be theirs forever.
He also knew The Librarian was intent on "raising" humans so that they could eventually claim the Mantle of Responsibility.
He referred to us as her pets when he forced his devolved humans into becoming Prometheans.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Everybody here seems to be missing the point - which is that it's wrong to imprison a baby animal!
NullPointer
Member
All of that happened before the rings fired and wiped out all sentient life and all civilizations.
So, eons later, as life grows and evolves anew from those forerunner seeded origins, the Didact still holds this grudge? Towards a race of beings that have nothing in common with those he fought except ancient physiological origins?
And that makes sense?
The Forerunners knew they were wiping out their own race in the process of firing those rings. It was a sacrifice they made to protect life from the flood. So of course they wouldn't control the mantle afterwards. Who exactly was supposed to take up the Mantle, if not the Forerunners?
The question was "what are they being punished for". It has everything to do with that.
The answer is: for existing; for his own mental issues.
Space Hitler.
That was pretty obvious. Their skulls give it away
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Was anybody else super fucking disappointed that we didn't get any Forerunner vehicles? I mean, you wanna take away Covvie and Human vehicles from the last game? Fine. But at least gimme a Forerunner hover-dildo to ride on or something.
Oh, the Forerunner skulls? Well, duh. As the saying goes, "you'll know a human by his oversized non-human skull".
(actually, it's the hands... probably, if 343 ever decides how many fingers a Lifeshaper should have)
Hopefully War Sphinxes in Halo 5 will fit that niche.
The Terminals should have definitely been integrated into the actual story. There's too much important information related to the story for it to be kept on the side for the player to find.
Hopefully 343 doesn't repeat the same mistake in the next games going forward.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I really liked how The Forerunners looked in HALO: Origins. Sleek, futuristic. Their power was in their technology, not their size or strength. The Promethean enemies seem completely uninspired to me on the other hand.
Not all of them are human.
She always looked like Lilandra from X-Men to me.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
There are ginger Prometheans?
I hope they add more unique UNSC weapons. The Saw, Sticky Detonator and Railgun are such fantastic additions. For future weapons I hope they don't repeat the "You will recognize the use of this gun" mantra like they did with the Promethean weapons. Add more unique weapons that are crazy.
As far as vehicles, all of the factions needs major additions to them. Not set dressing stuff like the Mammoth, but actual drivable vehicles.
As far as vehicles, all of the factions needs major additions to them. Not set dressing stuff like the Mammoth, but actual drivable vehicles.
I don't really have a problem with their morphology, it's the tech that really colors my opinion of them. All of the "scary" robots, the bunny ear helmets, the transformer skull helmets and the SPACE SEGWAYS.
Legs? Where we're going, we don't need legs... but our robots do. Sure, we COULD make flying ones, hell, our houses float around, but... you know... that just wouldn't be fair, would it?
people hold grudges for more insignificant reasons. why is it ridiculous to believe he would still hate humanity?
he also didn't consider using the Halo rings to wipe out all sentient life. His idea was to create an army big enough to fight off the Flood so that Forerunners would still assume the mantle. i don't see why the rest of the Forerunners doing something he never agreed with in the first place would change his mind. or are we just ignoring that The Librarian has to forcefully imprison him because of this?
You say it makes no sense, but that's just how people are. I'm not sure what fantasy world you're in but once people have a certain mindset, it's pretty much set in stone and will NEVER be changed. there have been people exactly like Didact in real life, but now all of a sudden because it's a video game character it's absurd and makes no sense?
what would make no sense is if he just woke up and said "oh hey, sup humans. want a beer?" which seems to be what you think should have occurred.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I want a Promethean teleporter gun. It works like the sticky detonator. You shoot something on your target, then you aim where you want them to pop out. And they're re-materialized there instantly.
See, that's the thing... that's almost exactly what one of him did in Cryptum, and the other him did it in Primordium.
(Christ, describing this subplot makes one sound real dumb)
Good one :lol. But the first Prometheans were Forerunners. It's in the terminals.
This is what I am talking about. A+
NullPointer
Member
I've read about him in two of the latest novels now, and it wasn't all that far removed from this. He didn't want a beer, but he didn't drop everything to destroy humans either.
You're bringing up elements that are neither explored in the books or the games.
Its makes him a one dimensional character - evil because he's evil. People bash Call of Duty campaigns, but hell dude, at least those enemies have a fucking ethos.
Edit: Ultimately, since the game's big bad centers around the Didact, the game should have done a much, much better job setting him up and giving us a reason to give a shit about taking him down. Every character in the game knew far more than the player was given access to, so most of your actions in-game had no approachable context. Maybe, after laying all the books and terminals and the like on the table, you can piece together something of interest, but I wouldn't count that as anywhere near decent storytelling in a game.
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A More Normal Bird
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It seems that Forerunner science settled pretty firmly on the nature side of the nature vs nurture debate. With all this talk of gene plans and whatnot, the Didact is basically a social Darwinist.
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everything I'm saying is from the game, whether through normal gameplay or terminals..
I'm not acknowledging the books because obviously 343 isn't taking that as source material. Bungie ignored source material so let's not get all crazy because 343 seems to be doing the same.
NullPointer
Member
Ahh OK, you're right. I misunderstood some aspects of the Librarian's cut-scene in Halo 4. Am watching it and the terminals again.
I could agree with that. I will say I found it enjoyable above all else.
NullPointer
Member
And it looks like I missed watching two of the terminals that help to explain Didact's plans and imprisonment. Those certainly would have helped me grock this tale.
Gotta admit, it does make more sense now.
Gotta admit, it does make more sense now.
Same. I'm really digging everything about Halo 4 except for the in-game storytelling and a few campaign scenarios that feel overly scripted.
ToyMachine228
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I think we're going to see more and more of the Forerunners in Halo 5 and 6. That means more living Forerunners on other shield worlds. Some may fight against us, some along side us, who knows where it will go? As for vehicles, I agree that I would have liked to have seen more new vehicles in Halo 4, but that said, it does make sense that the Forerunners didn't have much use for them. They can teleport. I would like to see some really abstract vehicles in Halo 5 and 6 though.
Jack Scofield
Member
I'm still astounded by how absolutely no context is given to characters and actions in this game. I could tell my mom, "The Didact is trying to get to the Composer, and the Librarian evolves the Master Chief" and she wouldn't have any more clue to who these characters are than players do. It's all absolutely meaningless.
Who is the Didact? Who is the Compser, or the Librarian? What is the Didact's end goal? How were humans fighting Forerunners a millennia ago? These are questions the game doesn't deign to answer, much less ask.
Who is the Didact? Who is the Compser, or the Librarian? What is the Didact's end goal? How were humans fighting Forerunners a millennia ago? These are questions the game doesn't deign to answer, much less ask.
AA, not gun.
ToyMachine228
Member
Its all explained in previous Halo lore. You can complain that Halo 4 itself doesn't explain it if you want, but its all been explained previously. You may be able to find a lot of the answers you seek in the game's Terminals and Halo Waypoint. The rest lay in the books. Mainly Greg Bear's trilogy, as well as Ghosts of Onyx, Glasslands and Thursday War.
ThirtyDegrees
Neo Member
I'm sorry, but "it's all explained in tie in novels that you didnt know existed" isn't an acceptable response to his criticism.
I think they took the "safe" approach with Sandbox expansions to be honest, there are a lot of equivalent niche weapons that they've added, and I'd like them to take things a bit further and diversify the offerings across races some more instead of what we have, that goes for vehicles as well (beyond the classic offerings such as the Ghost, Wraith, etc.).
We don't need Spectres and stuff like that.
Synless
Member
You guys haven't talked much about the fact that during the Didacts speech at the end of the game that The soldiers are looking at piles of ash (humans) that are all over city. This is exactly what was happening to the people who were affected by the composer. I feel like that is the cliff hanger right there. I think Didact is still around.
ElRenoRaven
Member
That's because that is where he had fired it. That's just where he had aimed it.
Synless
Member
Ahhh yes, I forgot he shot it at Cali.