Half and half
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Be black yo.
Hello There, Racists!
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Be black yo.
Oh, it's only white Christians who are racist these days, gotcha. Glad we got that out of the way.
Ignoring doesn't work in all cases, but it would in most. Especially some online posting from a teenager in the middle of nowhere. You should probably just ignore their tweets because they have absolutely zero impact in your life and if you think making a webpage to "out" them will cause more good than harm, well, I don't know what to tell you.
He lowered their taxes and insurance premiums.
Omegasquash
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These kids don't think about the words they're saying before they say them. Unfortunately, they also think that they're entitled (I love that word, these days) to say whatever they want, without consequences because "olol freedom of speech."
It works two ways, unfortunately. They're going to be branded, and they'll have to work to remove a stain from their person, so to speak. Those that don't, well...I think the digital mark of Cain works well here, especially for the Christians of the group.
I'm so tired of this "anti-free speech" garbage. As if anyone is stopping anyone from saying what they want. As if condemning what someone says is somehow anti-free speech. As if hate speech is somehow a more valid form of free speech than the denunciation of hate speech. It's bullshit.
...and promised a minimal standard of medical care.
The American conservative thought process is an awfully strange one looking in from the outside.
Battersea Power Station
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Anti-free speech? What does that mean? If I get fired from my job for going on a sexually explicit, verbally violent rant I should sue for violation of the 1st amendment?
It's nice in a karma like way. These people, if they care too, can convince everyone that they aren't vile little monsters, but they have to work very hard to make that happen. A lot harder than it was to send out the little remark that got them targeted in the first place.
Karma is alive and well on the internet!
_illmatic_
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Being Black on election day.
Omegasquash
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Actions speak louder than words, but they're also by nature typically very quiet. So lots of action is necessary, at least in proportion to what was said. Then again, a simple "I understand what I did and take responsibility for my words. I am deeply sorry for any pain or offense that I have caused" would go a LONG way in starting that.
And that only took me 15 seconds to write.
Clay Davis
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that is rather far fetched. who is going to dedicate months of their lives to ruining someone else's?
wouldn't the person they are impersonating find out and petition twitter or facebook to close the account before any severe damage it done? after all, months of impersonating someone runs the risk of the person finding out.
I can't help but think you didn't think your scenario through properly.
Oh piss off. I am talking about the people here. Pretty sure you didn't read my post when I said that any and all racism regardless the race it originates from should be made criminal offence.
Actively ignoring these people in their daily life may be an acceptable answer. Staying away from these people may help. That's also an active action.
And yes, you're right that it doesn't have any impact on my life. Does exposing them have any impact on yours? And as aforementioned, this is a great show of apathy because doing something right that doesn't somehow come with an incentive offer or benefit me directly is not worth doing.
Lastly, this is not about either causing harm of expecting something good. I am not expecting these pricks to change their attitude. I rather see it as a public service for others to keep away from these vermin.
So, 2 wrongs make a right? The kids make racist remarks like douchebags. So to counter that, lets expose them and make an example out of them like a public service announcement? So we should potentially ruin the lives of a couple of teenagers over a couple tweets they made as some kind of warning to future kids?
Lordy, that's fucking cruel. I would have hate to make a mistake in your household growing up.
Being racist and ignorant is not a "mistake". You really think all this is just a slip-of-the-tongue situation? Come on.
The mistake they made is repeating what they hear in their household. It's the same with all racists of all colors. You can't punish a person if that's all they've ever known.
If I caught my son saying something racist about or too another human being I'd take him that person and make him apologize. This essentially the same thing, but on a much larger scale. The people making these comments aren't actually being held accountable for anything, so what happens now is up to them.
As much as these kids deserve no sympathy, I don't think this web page is going to actually do anything positive. For any change to come about in these people, for any "education" to occur, it would have to come from within their own peer group, their own environment. A bunch of hatred and intimidation ("change your speech or I'll get you fired") from a large anonymous group of strangers strikes me as something that will likely only embolden and entrench their racism.
That's quite an assumption you're making. Does this mean you agree with everything your parents say? Growing up, I had my own thoughts. I have a few racists in my family and it always disgusted me when they displayed that, but that doesn't mean I get a free pass to spout hate for everyone to see.
I think this says it all.
I don't see any point arguing with thee any further. Just remember that these tweets were made publicly and not extracted from private account with the aid of hacking. This is not exposing, rather, as I typed in another post, collating public record and listing them under the classification of racism.
Yes you can. And you should. That's how you change one's behavior. Unless you think their behavior does not need adjustment.
Nope, fuck man, they learned it from their parents so we can't do anything.
CURSE YOU CYCLE OF HATRED!
Omegasquash
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It's amazing how just making an apology can right things. Their statement was on the public stage, and they deserve to be called out on that same stage.
They're young. They have plenty of time to prove that they're not what their words make them out to be.
I've said it before in this thread. I was raised in a household like this (before the internet and social networks). I had some stupid fucking beliefs when I was younger, and I got called out for it by some people. I deserved what I got, and I appreciate other people telling me. Because being called out for your action isn't the same as punishing them.
'Tis not. I thought something seemed familiar about this conversation and... yeah. I've seen this conversation before.
No you shouldn't. You don't fault them personally for it. If I never saw anyone make fire, and then you want me to make it yet I have no concept on how to, you would blame me for not knowing?
And of course their behavior needs adjustment. But posting an internet page with all their info in hopes of this coming back to haunt them isn't going to do much good. 2 wrongs don't make a right, etc. etc. I'm tired and need to go to work. Till next time
Already talked about that in this thread. I got called a racist and had my facebook stalked by some fine Neogaf posters!
Did you read any of those books?
Oh. Apologies for engaging.
faceless007
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I'm not opining on the specific topic here, but since you specifically framed it that way:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/28hoax.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&
Not to mention 4chan. There are some pretty vindictive people on the Internet.
I'm sure I've heard of some Twitter and Facebook pages for some celebrities that are fake and don't belong to the real ones, and which have not been shut down despite the real people publicly saying it's not them.
what? yes you can.
Also, I think we're getting sidetracked into the whole "they are so young" discussion. Most people on the website are grown ass "bros" posting this stuff.
Negatory. I was dealing with people that didn't like my argument and decided to stalk me on facebook and threaten me all while calling me a racist. Good times.
Link to the post and I'll catch up on at least one by the end of the month.
Grown ass bros are fair game. Let their ignorance be known. Only issue I had was calling out pre-teens and teenagers. I'll leave it be
This one; Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is also good as a sort of more concrete example of how official legal colorblindness (though not colorblindness in actual fact) can actually contribute to racist outcomes.
Count Dookkake
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Then pre-teens and teens should not speak in public.
I actually support this regardless. Sorry, Teen-GAF.
dark_chris
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Man, imagine when they apply for jobs or some top school and they present them with what they said on Twitter or Facebook and say, "Explain yourself."
I'd laugh my ass off.
I'd laugh my ass off.
Clay Davis
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I take it back. bloody hell at that story. bloody hell.
fierrotlepou
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This is awesome. Great idea.
"Let's kick a muslim commie out of the white house!"
Oh man...
"Let's kick a muslim commie out of the white house!"
Oh man...
Omegasquash
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And that's exactly how it should haunt them. If you do something, be ready to deal with the consequences. An apology now, and a forthright explanation of what they did, and how they're different now would go much farther than not doing anything.
So, in a way, this tumblr might be doing some of them a favor.
Amibguous Cad
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Given the propensity of the Internet vigilante justice to take action first and ask questions later, it wouldn't surprise me if they would run with a newly created twitter account. And it's not like finding a picture and posting on twitter using the account every once in awhile takes a lot of effort.
I think you're discounting the amount of attention someone would have to pay to this in order to make it a viable way to ruin someone's life.
MLK judged, and thank God that he did. I actually think that was the whole point.
Vicetrailia
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Does it matter when Fox News is around to brainwash such people?
Fair enough, with your kids, I can understand how you'd feel that way. But what about if your job was to hire on people at some office job. Would you feel the same way? Would you not hire, or even fire people because you found out about something they said 10 years before when they were a teenager? I think there is a line here somewhere where it becomes dangerous and perhaps a little wrong.
I'm mixed on this whole thing. I'd want them to suffer some sort of shame for it, but if it actually meant life-long negative repercussions, I'm not sure its really acheived anything positive in the end. Feels like you're basically just giving up on these kids ability to ever be decent people. Hell, even the death penalty doesn't go as far to condemn people under 18 because of this very idea. Ya know, most these kids wont live at home or even in the same area their entire lives and there's a good chance they'll grow up and change. Maybe not, but I wouldn't be ok with not even allowing them the chance.
That said, I dont think this'll have that big an effect. I dont think people will actually go back checking this stuff and I dont think you'll 'get word' about your babysitter being racist when they were 16 because of some list like this. It'd be nice if they received some sort of eye-opening because of it, but not some life sentence.
T.M. MacReady
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People like this spring up in the US because for some reason we value tolerance for even the intolerable... Tolerance is a graceful virtue but it loses all meaning when people like this are allowed to thrive. I'm torn on this tumbler's sense of justice, but I also live in Alabama and know that bigots are everywhere.
They don't live in reality-land and they spread this hatred to their young like wildfire. Get used to these folks being a large chunk of our future population, the Christian Fundamentalist Proto-Fascist Jihad began on 911 and it will sadly be a part of our culture for the rest of our days.
They don't live in reality-land and they spread this hatred to their young like wildfire. Get used to these folks being a large chunk of our future population, the Christian Fundamentalist Proto-Fascist Jihad began on 911 and it will sadly be a part of our culture for the rest of our days.
Racist fundamentalists existed well before 9/11.
You are very correct, though they have momentum now. Or at least I see it here, and I remember in the 80's and 90's when they kept to themselves. Before the 80's most churches I saw (Edit: read and hear about from grandparents) encouraged their followers to not vote. Again, that's just what I've witnessed.
Edit 2: In the interest of honesty... If someone would've interview me back when I was 10 or 11 years old I would've spouted the exact same racist fear, but I grew out of it real damn quick before my teen years and was able to help my parents grow out of it as well. If I could do this as a child then I know others can too, yet hate is easier to organize that love.
RSLAEV
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I don't know what bothers me more, the racism or the posters on this forum that think these children need protection from exposure.
Oh wait, it's definitely the racism.
But these fucking assholes need to be exposed. If anything this is for their own good.
NoirVisage
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *breath*
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :O
i hope it was backed up.
I'm sure cachedpages.com or the google cache still has it.
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