Great post. I agree with most of it.
Looper (dir. Rian Johnson; Gordon-Levitt, Willis)
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Great post. I agree with most of it.
Painkiller Q8
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such a great movie, and there was a boy he looks like my son, so i made these pics lol
Saw this yesterday and it was an incredible surprise. Not only it's one of the best movies of the year, and this year has been rich in great blockbusters, but it's also a movie that in a few years deserves a place among classics of sci-fi movies.
Really enjoyed it and recommend it .
Really enjoyed it and recommend it .
Sounds like a likely scenario. They'll get superheroes after all.
Vigilant Walrus
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This film was fantastic. Just saw it. ´Had to post that. wow!
they tried to cover it up and make it look like some sort of raid, i think. hence them burning down the homes.
Yeah, I have a pretty deep seated discomfort with the concept of surgical maiming, which fortunately doesn't come up too frequently but unnerves the living shit out of me when it does. That and I have a hang up about things going into eyes, so between Seth and the constant ocular dosing, this movie was wildly uncomfortable to watch.
I still liked it, colossal plot holes and senseless TK and all.
It was pretty entertaining, but I will say, this movie had some of the biggest plot holes Ive ever noticed. Its bad enough theyre trying to tackle the concept of time travel but there was so much else that just didnt make sense that it seemed they just didnt even bother.
why did they shoot his wife when I was under the impression the whole fucking point of time travel in the movie was that it was too hard to kill people and get rid of the body or whatever in the future. and thats disregarding the fact that they even had that stun pistol with them. shit, they could have sent her back in time before him and had him kill her himself. That bit made no sense to me.
pr0cs
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my opinion:
it was filmed like it was an accident, they knew he was trouble, came armed to the teeth to pick him up and shot her by accident after getting startled, setting off the chain of events.
Agreed, it was an accident, and when the grunts are dragging him outside, old Joe's house is burning. This was the grunts' attempt to cover up the murder of the wife.
Nemesis121
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Piper has a great body...dat ass...
pr0cs
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probably because he knew he was damaged goods, that his choice made the most sense and ensured the best outcome, we already saw earlier in the show how past events done to a person did not actually stop the present person from existing. Erasing any possibility of them having a future did though.
I don't know, the end to me was the best part. Unless you demand movies to have "Disney Style" endings in order for you to like the movie why not like how it ended.
I'm not saying the movie didn't have holes in it, shit how could you write a time travel movie and not have a million paradoxes in it. But as far as a 'low budget' film goes I thought it was awesome, enough to buy the movie on disc when it comes out.
Because old him would have it fixed, fake leg, fake arm whatever. It wouldn´t have worked
That kid was amazing though!
Then I dont see the reasoning for time travel in this movie at all.
Nappuccino
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Maybe. But that didn't happen earlier in the movie.
Inside these movies everyone knows that Willis is a badass and not subject to the same rules as everyone else.
I talked with a friend of mine in school to become a filmmaker about how the film pretty dramatically thwarts expectations. We both, going into the film, thought that it would be about G-L Joe jumping around time kicking asses. When it turned out that, hey, he's not even really the main character I was really impressed. I thought that it told the story of
the little kid's future and choice to use his powers for good or for bad
? What did i miss?
I just saw scar tissue appearing on old the old men. I thought that just his brain/memories where slowed down.?
Did you step outside for whole sequence where
by the time future Seth knocked on the door, he was just a torso?
Another thing that kinda bugged me was how they treated the TK, well for one I would have preferred it to not be in the movie, but it was, and I think they kinda really downplayed the low level TK.
There are a lot of practical uses for even just being able to lift tiny things, even as a crook.
You could open door locks or handcuffs, or fuck with the insides of electronics, or if someone has a gun pointed at your head at close range you switch there safety on.
Sure its the future and some of that stuff might not really be an option, but there has to be better uses for it then just looking like a tool.
There are a lot of practical uses for even just being able to lift tiny things, even as a crook.
You could open door locks or handcuffs, or fuck with the insides of electronics, or if someone has a gun pointed at your head at close range you switch there safety on.
Sure its the future and some of that stuff might not really be an option, but there has to be better uses for it then just looking like a tool.
he was also
held captive by the mob guys. bruce willis probably wouldn't have been.
adamsappel
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I can see why someone might not like the direction the movie turned in, but they did establish that TK existed in the movie world, so it wasn't out of left field. A movie like The Prestige, where the cloning just suddenly happens in the middle of the film set in the 1800s, strains any credulity for me.
WascallyWabbit
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Finally saw this movie today, really enjoyed it.
But that scene with Seth and the consequences of letting your loop run... that was messed up
But that scene with Seth and the consequences of letting your loop run... that was messed up
so what do they do with Seth's present body? do they let him live on life support or kill him
Well they don't kill him, otherwise they'd just have done that right off the bat.
I'd like to think they put him back together once they closed the loop, but probably not...
I'd like to think they put him back together once they closed the loop, but probably not...
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great movie. Time travel movie discussion is always amusing, it's like everyone forgets what a time travel paradox is and demands logic to explain things.
It's fun to imagine the best way to make stories like these make sense. I liked what somebody said about
I also think the writers addressed the 'don't think about it too much' thing with Bruce willis essentially saying that in the diner.
It's fun to imagine the best way to make stories like these make sense. I liked what somebody said about
the 'rainmaker-lite' with the situation slowly becoming more severe until we get to this version, where the problem is fixed. It's the best way to deal with a loop I think, the story isn't the same every time around. Perhaps how it started was 7 billion loops ago, like evolution, it takes ages for meaningful change. Also, I didn't find the wife shooting thing to be too terrible a plot hole. I took it to mean that dna/murder detective work is so good that if you murder someone you're basically toast, it's still easy to kill someone, it's just hard as shit to get away with it, hence the looper technique.
I also think the writers addressed the 'don't think about it too much' thing with Bruce willis essentially saying that in the diner.
No, but it was all scar tissue, not a bloody mess. I just figured he would have been locked up/too useless to actually bother spending money on fixing him up.
Kabuki Waq
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Not a bad film saw it today, not as good as the matrix or inception but not bad!
was there like 2 or 3 time lines running parallel at the same time?
i.e. when Bruce Willis
? or when JGL
was there like 2 or 3 time lines running parallel at the same time?
i.e. when Bruce Willis
shot the kid
shot Bruce Willis and bruce died, or were they just showing a sequence of what could have happened?
Just watched this movie with a couple friends, can't understand why people actually liked this. I felt after a pretty good first impression (I really liked
), it just descended into absolute trash half-way through, the moment JGL got into that farm.
I'm usually pretty lenient on sci-fi logic but why
. And other than that, some scenes made no sense at all, like
I dunno, I'm willing to be persuaded there is more to this movie than I watched, and I really like both JGL and Bruce Willis, I really like time travel movies (12 Monkeys, for instance, is a vastly, vastly superior movie), I don't have such high standards, but I simply couldn't comprehend how anyone can think this is anything but terrible.
Someone help
Edit: also, I so wish there was an actual time machine and someone could go back in time and hand this movie's script to a director from the 80s. Those guys would've nailed JGL's character right and made him the amoral douchebag I so desperately wanted him to be.
the mob guys chopping Paul Dano up to prevent his future self from escaping
I'm usually pretty lenient on sci-fi logic but why
does the time travelling murder service exist if they can freely shoot some whatever chinese woman they could find with a shot to the head? Why didn't they kill Bruce Willis that way? What does the all evil Rain Maker care about a contract?
taking Bruce Willis to the OPEN DOOR armory without any sort of restraints and allowing themselves to be murdered by sheer stupidity. It was also technically weird, felt like one of those kitsch Tarantino shots, like out of a Steven Seagal movie or something.
I dunno, I'm willing to be persuaded there is more to this movie than I watched, and I really like both JGL and Bruce Willis, I really like time travel movies (12 Monkeys, for instance, is a vastly, vastly superior movie), I don't have such high standards, but I simply couldn't comprehend how anyone can think this is anything but terrible.
Someone help
Edit: also, I so wish there was an actual time machine and someone could go back in time and hand this movie's script to a director from the 80s. Those guys would've nailed JGL's character right and made him the amoral douchebag I so desperately wanted him to be.
The thing with all the theories anyone can formulate over this is that the scene just ruins the point of the whole gimmick of the movie. You're not supposed to be able to kill people easily in the future, why put a scene in which that happens? It's just terrible, why couldn't they kill that character in some other way that it doesn't show you loopers as useless, specially since it's such a contrived idea that you're doing a lot of the director's legwork by maintaining your SOD up to that point.
You can play ball and justify yourself that (I know I brushed it off for the moment, since I was by that time I still liked the movie), but it's pretty bad filmmaking.
Thing is, if it weren't for that scene, I would've assumed that since the mob has resorted to time travelling for killing people, all other methods would've been ruled out entirely. Heart rate sensor chips installed on people that would trigger if their hearts stop beating or something like that was my guess, and I was happy to assume that until that particular scene. Because SURELY the mob would've tried everything else, right?They didn't say killing wasn't easy; not getting caught for it is. IIRC, the guy who shoots her has this 'oh shit' look on his face.
Don't know why they'd carry a gun if they're not going to kill though
I can forgive a couple things, easy, but man this movie just didn't give me a break, and even looking past that I didn't find anything of worth, other than a couple clever ideas I really liked, like Bruce Willis meeting his younger self triggering changes that mess up with his memory.
NP, I'm anal about thatAlso thanks for spoiler tagging
Eh, some people are more important than others. I never took away from that that because that system was in place
no one else dies any other way ever. Just that it was far preferable. Whatever law enforcement that was in place might have made it so. That still doesn't mean that these future crime syndicates/mobs are completely inept or incapable of anything else if the need arises.
Either way, it was a minor thing for me that didn't take me out of the story.
Yeah, I just mind that one has to make excuses for a movie not sticking to its crucial gimmick. It's like if in on scene in In Time you could buy food with USD for whatever reason, but you know, USDs are hard to come by! It's dumb, it's pointless, it's your own fucking script, make it work!
In any case, please feel free of ignoring that part of my post, I'll walk my part and accept it's a minor thing, but please help me get answers on the rest, since that's actually the core of my issue with the movie. What's the deep thing I'm missing, where's the actual quality in direction, etc. I've seen people actually compare this to 12 Monkeys, and I can't believe what I'm reading/hearing.
By the time I was over and I looked for reviews on the movie I felt like I was missing a key scene or something...
This was great...until they get to the farm. It definitely wasn't what I expected, even less after all the hype. The trailers were smart to hide all the TK garbage. Little kid is such a horrible actor, as most kids are, sadly. The time traveling side of the movie is fairly messy and nonsensical, as is most of the story really. Movie wasn't bad, but it doesn't stand up to the other time travel movie Willis has done. There are just too many things in here that bother me.
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I wanna find that tweet that compared the feeling of watching Star Wars and Blade Runner for the first time to this film.
Or did I just imagine that?
Or did I just imagine that?
There was some guy that said The Hunger Games was the best sci-fi movie since The Matrix.
It's like Avatar all over again...
I also just watched Total Recall (the 90's one) and seriously new movies got sci-fi all wrong...
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