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[James Sawyer Ford]

Wasnt wiius initial shipment around 500k..

360 is on a downward trend this year but itll do more than 500k probably

360 will probably exceed a million easily, and I'd imagine ps3 will be greater than 700k. If the initial wii u shipment was only 500k and they are still readily available then it's looking like wii u will be behind them both.

 

[Drago]

What would be a successful mark for Nintendo to hit in Nov NPD as far as WiiU goes (and 3DS for that matter)?

 

[Anth0ny]

the real battle will be

VITA VS WII U

 

[DigitalRicket]

Pics like this aint good PR for nintrndo.. Looks like the rushed launch before black friday def was a mistake

Nintendo wanted the recapture the 'core' market, right? I really don't see the middle class shelling over $300+ dollars for a game console that as of the moment is equal to other consoles they might already have (see: 360 and PS3) on Black Friday, especially since there were no discounts given on BF.

Nintendo also made sure they had plenty in stock for launch night, black friday, and the upcoming christmas season, possibly planning for a Wii scenario regardless of whether they believed it would happen or not.

 

[Van Owen]

*Opinion alert, opinion alert, be warned.*

It's not about outselling PS3 or 360. For Wii U, it is about selling out. This is the successor to the Wii, a console that had the highest holiday sales ever recorded, and this is the system launch. I don't care what the number is, but if they don't sell everything they have, I would lean towards saying they underperformed.

But this is getting way ahead of ourselves.

Hearing reports a bunch of places still have them after the Black Friday rush...

 

[Digital-Hero]

I will be shocked if the 360 doesn't post massive numbers this holiday.

With that price drop + kinect + huge library. I think you'll be right for sure.

 

[CrisKre]

Extremely hard to find a wii u in the la area.

 

[makingmusic476]

If this all somehow leads to the kind of output from the big N that is reminiscent of the N64 days....I'm cool with that

*high gives*

Might be my favorite console. Certainly has a number of my favorite games.

 

[liger05]

People have some different memory to me regarding the PS3 Launch. Pure hype beforehand but that thing was easy to get.

 

[BillyBats]

This may rattle some cages but this is my honest assessment. Nintendo is better supplying the stores which is why this isn't in short supply like the original Wii. With that being said, the Wii-U does not appear to be the sensation the original was.

This is not doom and gloom. Look where the 360 was at launch + RROD, now look at what a beast it is. Things can change down the road for better or worse.

Yes, and look at how the Wii ended up. The 360 is still a beast with new games still on the way. Nintendo let the Wii die, they didn't improve upon anything( internet especially). I can't get over this and have become redundant in my posts stating it. I'm shocked that so many have such faith in Nintendo after abandoning their biggest success so quickly and so abruptly. If they did that with the behemoth the Wii was, what's the guarantee that they will support the Wii U any better?

I have a feeling this will have the exact life the Wii had. We'll get a 3d Mario, a Zelda, and a couple of other Nintendo franchises. 3rd party support will be the same as the Wii and perhaps even worse when the new consoles show up. I feel bad for the diehard Nintendo fans because I read all the hopes and wishes they have for the types of games they'd like Nintendo to make. Maybe a new Metroid, F Zero etc. Maybe some brand new IP's. I just don't see Nintendo doing it. They coasted on releasing a few spectacular games a year and bolstering that with hundreds of mini game collections. I don't see them changing direction at all.

 

[AniHawk]

Yes, and look at how the Wii ended up. The 360 is still a beast with new games still on the way. Nintendo let the Wii die, they didn't improve upon anything( internet especially). I can't get over this and have become redundant in my posts stating it. I'm shocked that so many have such faith in Nintendo after abandoning their biggest success so quickly and so abruptly. If they did that with the behemoth the Wii was, what's the guarantee that they will support the Wii U any better?

they did it with the n64 and gamecube as well.

they supported the nes with games until 1994, and released stuff on the snes until 1999. their newer consoles require more manpower, i guess, especially since handheld systems need more manpower these days too.

 

[olimpia84]

I have a feeling this will have the exact life the Wii had. We'll get a 3d Mario, a Zelda, and a couple of other Nintendo franchises. 3rd party support will be the same as the Wii and perhaps even worse when the new consoles show up. I feel bad for the diehard Nintendo fans because I read all the hopes and wishes they have for the types of games they'd like Nintendo to make. Maybe a new Metroid, F Zero etc. Maybe some brand new IP's. I just don't see Nintendo doing it. They coasted on releasing a few spectacular games a year and bolstering that with hundreds of mini game collections. I don't see them changing direction at all.

If Nintendo supports the WiiU with the same amount (and quality) of 1st party games they did with the Wii there's nothing to worry about.

 

[farnham]

Yes, and look at how the Wii ended up. The 360 is still a beast with new games still on the way. Nintendo let the Wii die, they didn't improve upon anything( internet especially). I can't get over this and have become redundant in my posts stating it. I'm shocked that so many have such faith in Nintendo after abandoning their biggest success so quickly and so abruptly. If they did that with the behemoth the Wii was, what's the guarantee that they will support the Wii U any better?

I have a feeling this will have the exact life the Wii had. We'll get a 3d Mario, a Zelda, and a couple of other Nintendo franchises. 3rd party support will be the same as the Wii and perhaps even worse when the new consoles show up. I feel bad for the diehard Nintendo fans because I read all the hopes and wishes they have for the types of games they'd like Nintendo to make. Maybe a new Metroid, F Zero etc. Maybe some brand new IP's. I just don't see Nintendo doing it. They coasted on releasing a few spectacular games a year and bolstering that with hundreds of mini game collections. I don't see them changing direction at all.

Yes we know that 5 years of support is fine in my books for a 350 euro investment

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

If Nintendo supports the WiiU with the same amount (and quality) of 1st party games they did with the Wii there's nothing to worry about.

WiiU is fucking uber-doomed if it ends up getting the same output from Ninty as the OG Wii, as, execpt for the Super Mario Galaxy games, all they gave us was souless retreads (Twilight Princess, NSBM), shallow mini game collections (WiiWhatever) or godawful failures (Other M, Skyward Sword).

 

[AniHawk]

WiiU's doomed if it ends up getting the same output from Ninty as the OG Wii, as, execpt for the Super Mario Galaxy games, all they gave us was souless retreads (Twilight Princess, NSBM), shallow mini game collections (WiiWhatever) or godawful shovelware (Other M, Skyward Sword).

maybe they can start by selling retro to microsoft.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

the real battle will be

VITA VS WII U

I'm hoping the Vita soundly trounces the Wii U for a while, that might be the only thing to smack some sense into this dense-as-concrete company.

souless retreads (Twilight Princess, NSBM)

Spoken like someone who doesn't know a lick about game or level design.

Wii also got the very-good-but-not-as-good-as-NSMBW Donkey Kong Country Returns, the needs-no-introduction Xenoblade, and in my opinion, the best Smash game.

MK Wii, Wario Land, and the two Kirbys were also pretty good, or at least not bad. (Kart is actually very good and one of the most replayable games of the generation.)

 

[GoofsterStud]

Kids said they didn't want the Wii-U. Which is strange. They said it is for younger children and people who can't afford an IPAD.

>.> I didn't know what to say <.<

Still deciding if the wife should return it.

 

[farnham]

Wow so wiiu is selling worse than vita?

 

[Clay Davis]

I will be shocked if the 360 doesn't post massive numbers this holiday.

is the demand still there? I thought more people would be out get playstations 3 this year, wasn't there data to back this up as well?

 

[IrishNinja]

I'm hoping the Vita soundly trounces the Wii U for a while, that might be the only thing to smack some sense into this dense-as-concrete company.

i would like to see nintendo stay in hungry mode while they get some of this stuff sorted and work on a 2013 release schedule. Vita was starving & then dropped some greatness with the PS+ update, i wanna see that kinda hustle.

Bomba.

no, you're thinking of 999 bro

 

[Sandfox]

I'm hoping the Vita soundly trounces the Wii U for a while, that might be the only thing to smack some sense into this dense-as-concrete company.

I seriously doubt that will cause them to change anything. If anything it would just cause them to start rushing out popular titles like they did with Mario Kart 7 on the 3DS.

 

[ASIS]

So with all the talk of doom and gloom. I checked the Gamestop Website posted on the OP... Deluxe version is sold out >_>

 

[impact]

So with all the talk of doom and gloom. I checked the Gamestop Website posted on the OP... Deluxe version is sold out >_>

Wii U saved

 

[elostyle]

Updated Wii-U stock picture of the day:
Shot taken from my local Best Buy 5:35pm 11/23 on BLACK FRIDAY. The store was packed ALL day.

Can you guys post where these pictures are from when you post them? I am still looking for a unit and this is not helpful otherwise.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

i would like to see nintendo stay in hungry mode while they get some of this stuff sorted and work on a 2013 release schedule. Vita was starving & then dropped some greatness with the PS+ update, i wanna see that kinda hustle.

I seriously doubt that will cause them to change anything. If anything it would just cause them to start rushing out popular titles like they did with Mario Kart 7 on the 3DS.

The threat of the Vita caused the most shocking "turnaround" measures I've ever seen implemented in gaming. Within a couple weeks, 3DS pricedropped by $80, Circle Pad Pro was announced, new bundles and colors were announced, the Ambassador program with 20 free games for early adopters (many of which still aren't available to post-pricedrop buyers), firmware upgrades with actual features, Nintendo Directs became far more frequent with new games being announced with each one, etc.

Nintendo really hustled when 3DS sales became very, very sluggish shortly after launch. I'm hoping slow sales of the Wii U next year, and the announcements of the real next gen consoles, incites a similar reaction at NCL.

 

[XenodudeX]

Wii U saved

Someone posted a pic of a bunch of Wii U deluxes stack up at BB after black friday. Wii Unsaved

edit: ^ lol @ the "real" next gen bullshit.

 

[impact]

The threat of the Vita caused the most shocking "turnaround" measures I've ever seen implemented in gaming. Within a couple weeks, 3DS pricedropped by $80, Circle Pad Pro was announced, new bundles and colors were announced, the Ambassador program with 20 free games for early adopters (many of which still aren't available to post-pricedrop buyers), firmware upgrades with actual features, Nintendo Directs became far more frequent with new games being announced with each one, etc.

Nintendo really hustled when 3DS sales became very, very sluggish shortly after launch. I'm hoping slow sales of the Wii U next year, and the announcements of the real next gen consoles, incites a similar reaction at NCL.

And then all the good games will stay in Japan, just like the 3DS

 

[neoanarch]

So with all the talk of doom and gloom. I checked the Gamestop Website posted on the OP... Deluxe version is sold out >_>

Check Walmarts "find in store" thing. Seems to be plentiful at Walmart.

 

[IrishNinja]

People have some different memory to me regarding the PS3 Launch. Pure hype beforehand but that thing was easy to get.

shhh we're doing anecdotal tales right now, as is tradition in the NPD pregame

and the announcements of the real next gen consoles

 

[ASIS]

Someone posted a pic of a bunch of Wii U deluxes stack up at BB after black friday. Wii Unsaved

Only one picture? Nah Wii U still saved.

Spoiler

Basic Bundle is still available at the Gamestop Website... WiiU really unsaved

 

[ThatObviousUser]

edit: ^ lol @ the "real" next gen bullshit.

Calling a spade a space. Let's be real about this.

 

[farnham]

WiiU is fucking uber-doomed if it ends up getting the same output from Ninty as the OG Wii, as, execpt for the Super Mario Galaxy games, all they gave us was souless retreads (Twilight Princess, NSBM), shallow mini game collections (WiiWhatever) or godawful failures (Other M, Skyward Sword).

Lol wut? Nintendoomed if you dont like the games huh..?

Those shallow games outsold all cod games combined sir

 

[farnham]

Only one picture? Nah Wii U still saved.

Spoiler

Basic Bundle is still available at the Gamestop Website... WiiU really unsaved

Post a picture where no wiiu stack is to be seen quick

 

[XenodudeX]

Calling a spade a space. Let's be real about this.

It's bullshit. Calling a spade a spade. Let's be real about this.

 

[IrishNinja]

Calling a spade a space. Let's be real about this.

that's what im trying to help you do, andrex

 

[farnham]

The threat of the Vita caused the most shocking "turnaround" measures I've ever seen implemented in gaming. Within a couple weeks, 3DS pricedropped by $80, Circle Pad Pro was announced, new bundles and colors were announced, the Ambassador program with 20 free games for early adopters (many of which still aren't available to post-pricedrop buyers), firmware upgrades with actual features, Nintendo Directs became far more frequent with new games being announced with each one, etc.

Nintendo really hustled when 3DS sales became very, very sluggish shortly after launch. I'm hoping slow sales of the Wii U next year, and the announcements of the real next gen consoles, incites a similar reaction at NCL.

What? I dont think they felt threatened at all. The vita would have failed anyway. I think nintendo was feeling the threat of smartphones

 

[michaelius]

Those shallow games outsold all cod games combined sir

More like outbundled since you couldn't buy Wii without Wii sports for years.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

that's what im trying to help you do, andrex

OK, the "significantly powerful than Wii U" generation.

What? I dont think they felt threatened at all. The vita would have failed anyway. I think nintendo was feeling the threat of smartphones

Hindsight is 20/20, and Vita had a lot of hype at the time especially when the price was announced (around seven weeks before the 3DS price cut announcement.)

If that's the real price... ABSOLUTELY. Forget the 3DS =P!

WELL FUCK


3DS AM DOOMED

... lol Nintendo screwed up big time with 3DS and the shitty 3D gimmick. Will love to see their reply tomorrow. I was waiting for E3 to decide what portable to buy... and if the price is true... Vita for the win.

Well, sucks to be Nintendo.

If true like I said....

Fuck you 3DS

3DS destroyed :lol

Sony Wins. Fuck yeah!

Nintendo's greed comes back to bite them in the ass......

Man, Nintendo are stupid.

At that price I'll buy it day one for the PSP back catalogue.

Lol Nintendo. I need a job

Problem, 3DS?

WOW... great news! Sony has actually learned it's lesson in overpricing!

Holy shit that's a competitive price. Nintendo's handheld dominance might seriously be in question now.

Looks like Sony is going for the handheld choke hold, specifically around Nintendo's neck.

history is repeating itself....

except the PSV is now the DS

Nintendo went with bleeding edge tech: 3D

Sony went with tried and true and they're going to kill the 3DS

COME FORWARD, CONCERN TROLLS

Let us serve you your crow. It is sauteed with a lovely side of third party games (tapas).

We're gonna have two viable handhelds in the same gen

Don't forget that Sony has learned a lot of lessons from PSP. For one thing PSP had PS2 ports with an extremely watered down experience (no second analog stick, less power, etc). Vita will be better.

At this price theres one thing that is certain, the PSV has already won Japan. The only question is in the west now.

 

[Visualante2]

Not getting full NPD numbers like the old days really makes me depressed

 

[XenodudeX]

Hindsight is 20/20, and Vita had a lot of hype at the time.

Wow. People are excited by unreleased hardware. Who would of fucking thought.

 

[impact]

Don't forget that Sony has learned a lot of lessons from PSP. For one thing PSP had PS2 ports with an extremely watered down experience (no second analog stick, less power, etc). Vita will be better.

Haha

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Wow. People are excited by unreleased hardware. Who would of fucking thought.

Well that's my point, that excitement in-part scared Nintendo.

And those quotes aren't just excitement, but many contain death sentences for the 3DS, whose prospects at the time were, while not exactly grim, not good either.

 

[IrishNinja]

that mess is like reading the PSP vs DS pregame threads all over again

we make a meme about Pachter being wrong on everything, but seriously, blocks of GAF like that are a perfect litmus test for mainstream success or failure. by the way - this thread is starting to look like one of those, something to think about

 

[ThatObviousUser]

that mess is like reading the PSP vs DS pregame threads all over again

we make a meme about Pachter being wrong on everything, but seriously, blocks of GAF like that are a perfect litmus test for mainstream success or failure. by the way - this thread is starting to look like one of those, something to think about

Only possible with panic mode Nintendo actions, which is what I want anyways. Think about it, their drastic actions not only reversed the 3DS's fortunes significantly, they've now made Sony look like the greedy incompetent ones for not pricedropping a $250 handheld (whose price was "awesome" when it was announced) and not supporting it with an acceptable output of games.

 

[XenodudeX]

Well that's my point, that excitement in-part scared Nintendo.

And those quotes aren't just excitement, but many contain death sentences for the 3DS, whose prospects at the time were, while not exactly grim, not good either.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo doesn't read gaf. So no.

 

[IrishNinja]

i agree, but i think the other guy was right - nintendo's been saying for a while their real competition is apple

i mean, even if nintendo was somehow scared by a few people blowing their load on an american message board, early sales made it look like even that thread didn't buy in

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo doesn't read gaf. So no.

Yes, because those reactions were limited to GAF. Surely. Strawmen are usually dumb but not this dumb, come on, put some effort into it.

Regardless this doesn't have anything to do with what I originally said, which is I hope that Nintendo gets put into panic mode like they were with 3DS last year.

I'm sorry I'm posted something bad about a company neither of us likely has any actual connection to except buying their products, and I'm sorry for wanting those products to get drastically better. I'm sorry my standards aren't as low as yours.

 

[farnham]

More like outbundled since you couldn't buy Wii without Wii sports for years.

Even without wiisports that might be true though

Wii sports resort, wii fit, wii play sold 30 million each

Cod games usually do sub 20 million per annum and it exploded since cod mw (cod 2 and 3 sold well but not 20 million well)

And even if thats not true... Having 90 million of unbundled software sales across three games which probably had a dev team of 1/20 of a cod release each is damn impressive and hardly a sign of doom

 

[XenodudeX]

Yes, because those reactions were limited to GAF. Surely. Strawmen are usually dumb but not this dumb, come on, put some effort into it.

There's no point in putting effort in responding to you. It late, and your points are stupid. Calling a spade a spade. Lets be real here.

A fucking multibillion dollar company is monitoring internet message boards across the intertubes for reactions of the vita unveiling, got spooked, and decided to drop the price. That sounds stupid. Because it is stupid. Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS because it sales were sluggish, NOT because of the vita. This is fact.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

There's no point in putting effort in responding to you. It late, and your points are stupid. Calling a spade a spade. Lets be real here.

Hey cool, I won.

A fucking multibillion dollar company is monitoring internet message boards across the intertubes for reactions of the vita unveiling, got spooked, and decided to drop the price. That sounds stupid. Because it is stupid. Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS because it sales were sluggish, NOT because of the vita. This is fact.

I also clearly said Vita was "in-part" the reason for the decision and also brought up "sluggish sales." I didn't bring up GAF reactions except to set the context for the decision, since we are, you know, on NeoGAF. Get your fanboy blinders checked, dude.

The idea that no one at Nintendo was aware of the Vita when making the pricecut decision is even more idiotic than the the thought of them reading the internet for reactions by several orders of magnitude.