G-A-F? Gun Collector kills teen over loud music outside convenience store
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I am not saying don't educate, but there should be a better way without sensationalizing it, or giving rise to more crimes of that nature which is all stories like this will do.
Because of those recent obvious racist shootings all the media did was spark more hatred/hostility on both sides. Shouldn't there be a better way to inform the public without making them crazy with anger where another stupid fucker picks up a gun?
SnakeswithLasers
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I'm truly not sure what you are getting at. Ok, so in your version the guy doesn't feel threatened, he just shoots a 17 year old kid because he's pissed off. All of a sudden that makes the situation 'not racist'?
ryutaro's mama
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BPRD is openly trolling.
What's the point of all this?
What's the point of all this?
Xenon
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No, Im just saying that just because the killer was white and the victim is black it does not mean that it is racist.
Different opinion than a hive, and wishing to discuss is called trolling now huh?
you can ban me, this forum is too slanted
Devolution
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Who's crazy with anger? Upset that yet another black youth is gunned down due to prejudice is now synonymous with hatred and hostility. That sure is a hell of a lot of projecting you're doing.
ryutaro's mama
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Different opinion is one thing. You admitted to not even reading the story and
hurrr hurrr hurrr
Yeah but it's the forum that is slanted...
Stay free, bro.
freenudemacusers
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SnakeswithLasers
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Except in this case the most straight forward explanation is that the guy doesn't care much for black people.
Coming in and pretending we're operating from a blank slate here is disingenuous and doesn't accomplish anything. It's a black teen in Florida getting executed in his car by a white guy after they "exchanged words" about the music being too loud. Sure, the kid may have been the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler and only this white guy knew the key to his true identity and was willing to give up his freedom to save the Jews, but I doubt it. He's probably just a bigoted white guy who got pissed off and scared because some 'uppity' black kid got in his face.
And that's my queue to go to bed.
Shouta
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Even if it is the truth that this was racially motivated, it behooves us to look into whether or not it was actually the case. Otherwise we're running on the same principles that we detest.
I haven't spent a lot of time in Florida, so perhaps racism is more rampant there than what I'm used to. Do you instantly assume it's a race conflict as soon as multiple races are involved?
Xenon
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Yes because people never kill each other during meaningless arguments. It never happens. Never.
Assuming race is always the reason is just as bad as thinking it never is.
empty vessel
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In case anybody wanted to know about his politics:
http://www.meetup.com/members/36146692/
It's not terribly surprising.
http://www.meetup.com/members/36146692/
It's not terribly surprising.
Look guys, I'm just saying that if some old rightwing white guy unloads a full clip into some black kid playing rap music, he likely was saying "I'M NOT RACIST I AM JUST A MURDEROUS PSYCHOPATH" so that clearly proves he's not a racist, ok guys?
TelemachusD
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Kinda hard to claim self-defense when you immediately flee the scene instead of reporting it to the police, then once you find out you killed someone, leave town and drive over 100 miles back to your house.
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My general position on overly loud music is that people who lack the common courtesy to play music at a reasonable volume in a public place are so self-entitled that any question of asking them to turn it down often just results in them becoming confrontational, so unless it's somewhere you have to be for a long period of time (home or work for example) it's pointless to even approach them over it. Sometimes people are going to do annoying shit that gets on your nerves, but if you're gone five minutes later anyway, you gotta let it slide.
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My general position on overly loud music is that people who lack the common courtesy to play music at a reasonable volume in a public place are so self-entitled that any question of asking them to turn it down often just results in them becoming confrontational, so unless it's somewhere you have to be for a long period of time (home or work for example) it's pointless to even approach them over it. Sometimes people are going to do annoying shit that gets on your nerves, but if you're gone five minutes later anyway, you gotta let it slide.
travisbickle
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It's their interpretation of American FREEDOM!!
You could make a thread about the best (worst) of Freepers and it would never end.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
If everyone had concealed guns this wouldn't have happened.......... /retard logic
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Wut
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this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Listen, the United States of America entitles all people to a gun.
Regardless of whether they are sane.
In this case, we have another insane person with a gun going on a rampage.
There have been too many rampages as of late.
I suggest the United States of America revise their gun policy, or abolish it all together while making firearms illegal.
I also want peace on Earth, but I know we can't all have nice things.
I feel terrible knowing that evil people exist...
Please, please, don't tell me anything positive about guns, their raison d'être is to inflict harm, whether it is on animal for hunting, or human for self-defense.
There is nothing positive about a gun, it gives a false sense of power, like the murderer in the OP, he thought he could command the children to lower their music because he was compensating with his pistol, having felt inferior, he took his replacement and fired.
Guns kill people, so do people and inferiority complexes.
Regardless of whether they are sane.
In this case, we have another insane person with a gun going on a rampage.
There have been too many rampages as of late.
I suggest the United States of America revise their gun policy, or abolish it all together while making firearms illegal.
I also want peace on Earth, but I know we can't all have nice things.
I feel terrible knowing that evil people exist...
Please, please, don't tell me anything positive about guns, their raison d'être is to inflict harm, whether it is on animal for hunting, or human for self-defense.
There is nothing positive about a gun, it gives a false sense of power, like the murderer in the OP, he thought he could command the children to lower their music because he was compensating with his pistol, having felt inferior, he took his replacement and fired.
Guns kill people, so do people and inferiority complexes.
Lots of people seems to cherish the freedom to shoot everything that annoys and frightens them, because God forbid you would replace your gun with actual balls. Concealed weapons or not, "Stand my ground" laws, as the legal embodiment of the aforementioned mentality, are the most fucking retarded, barbaric piece of legislation that I have ever seen coming from a first world country. Not surprised that this happened in Florida.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Welp.
Chuckie
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That wiki also linked to other cases...among them China P. Arnold
Now I am depressed
BankaiZaraki
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This has been all over the local news lately. This guy tried claiming self defense saying he "felt" threatened but yet riddled a car full of bullets. Okay *sarcasm*. This guy ain't gonna win on self defense. He's just an ignorant fuck and deserves life in prison.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The car was black and blasting the music loudly at him. That sounds like a threatening vehicle to me!
BankaiZaraki
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Actually it was a dark red SUV -__-. But yeah you know you're guilty if you drive all the way home 100 miles away. Stupid fuck. Sucks because I used to live 5 minutes away from that gas station. It's an okay neighborhood, nothing majorly bad ever happens on that side of town so I was shocked that it occurred in that area.
theignoramus
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this is the most likely scenario.
No, in this case the explanation we all naturally jump to is that the guy doesn't care much for black people, based on preconceptions about him.
I think we can all agree that he's a guilty-as-sin fucktard, but to be saying that his feeling of 'threat' was based entirely on skin colour rather than, say, the style of loud music being played is actually kind of a tricky position to take. There's got to be a concern that we're saying he must have been biased against young black men based on the fact that he's a middle-aged white man. Would he have been more 'threatened' by a black man in a suit working on an iPad or a white man playing rap music loudly?
Race is probably a factor, but right away we've got a whole load of people jumping in to act like it's the only factor, and while I wouldn't go as far as BPRD, that is kind of icky. For a whole host of reasons.
I'm just using the fact that he claimed he felt "threatened" by "gang members."
And please, don't do the black man in a suit argument.
Alligatorjandro
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Its not like he was at home and they were playing music loud.How long are you going to be at a gast station?He shouldve just left?I think he might've been drunk.He came from a wedding after all.
fixed, checking if this was previously fixed.
Edit: Nope.
As a black American male, I'm interested to see if this will get someone to attempt to change this Stand Your Ground law. Obviously, the shit is flawed.
Well its racist because the guy felt threatened by blacks in a car playing loud music. If there were several incidents of White on White meaningless shootings like this, where there is no threat, and no weapon found, I wouldn't see it as that. But it keeps happening in the black order. We had one guy shoot a kid breaking into a house. The kid was breaking in...
Its one of those things though, just like everyone kept pretending race wasn't an issue this past campaign, the minorities of the world know and feel racism. The minorities know to avoid places with a lot of gun freaks, just as people avoid compton or walk to the other side of a street due to darkness.
We keep seeing these over and over again.
The kids were shot for looking threatening so much that they manifested a gun in the guys eyes.
Can't wait to hear the defense from him, as well as gaf.
That shit has like 400 deaths under its belt of spurious circumstances. One guy got out of his car, fired into a truck, then got back into his car. Claimed he was standing his ground, its nonsense.
Minorities need to just stay away, problem solved. As if you look threatening, aka black, you can get shot for not having a gun.
Its one of those things though, just like everyone kept pretending race wasn't an issue this past campaign, the minorities of the world know and feel racism. The minorities know to avoid places with a lot of gun freaks, just as people avoid compton or walk to the other side of a street due to darkness.
We keep seeing these over and over again.
The kids were shot for looking threatening so much that they manifested a gun in the guys eyes.
Can't wait to hear the defense from him, as well as gaf.
That shit has like 400 deaths under its belt of spurious circumstances. One guy got out of his car, fired into a truck, then got back into his car. Claimed he was standing his ground, its nonsense.
Minorities need to just stay away, problem solved. As if you look threatening, aka black, you can get shot for not having a gun.
And you think the only way to identify someone as a gang member (rightly or wrongly) is by the color of their skin?
lunarworks
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Good to know gun collectors are responsible adults.
Xenon
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How is it that time and time again people completely dismiss the chain of events when things like this happen.
He went to the car to ask the kids to turn down their music. It resulted in the two getting into an argument. THEN he felt threatened and fired. The way you describe it, ignores the limited facts we know about the case. Nothing in that story suggests he felt threatened by blacks in an SUV playing loud music. Nothings suggests he walked to the car with the intention to kill anyone. Do you honestly think this asshole threw away his life just because he hated black people so much? I will also say that this probably has more to do with young urban culture than the man's skin color. But, it's pretty much impossible for some people to make that distinction. In the end though, until we know more details about what happened everyone is just talking out of their ass.
As far as why you never hear stories about white people getting killed, there was one today where two were killed in cold blood. There was a bears fan who had his throat slit earlier this year, in Florida, just for talking to a mans wife. But mostly it's because no one here has an agenda to push that narrative and make posts about them.
empty vessel
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Well, we do know he supports politicians who oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So there's that.
FUBAR McDangles
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Mammoth Jones
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Ah the ole "if you own or carry you're a coward" garbage. Complete nonsense. Blame the perp not the tool used. People would rather bitch about the gun than the monster that misused it.
Stand your ground makes perfect sense in theory. The problem in Florida is the way it's worded it gives FAR too wide a berth in what situations it can be applied to.
Ah, perspective. It's a wonderful thing.
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