They do, but supposedly the social stigma of female depression differs from male depression, so they are way more likely to seek and get help. Men are more likely to end it by themselves, because they think themselves to be in a more hopeless situation.
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They do, but supposedly the social stigma of female depression differs from male depression, so they are way more likely to seek and get help. Men are more likely to end it by themselves, because they think themselves to be in a more hopeless situation.
Collete
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That willnever happen for me unfortunatly.
link?
edit: nvm
doesnt explain the insanely high rates in my country when its near impossible to get your hands on a gun
im not sure what "violent methods" indicates specifically
Sorry I'm using a press release, but I guess this is close enough I reckon to merit a glance:
more at the link.
more at the link.
At least you are in treatment though, right? Or have had treatment? This is a scenario where "if you were a men in your situation and had never gotten treatment because of social stigma, would you still be alive right now?"
Ashes' quote says the same thing I said before. Men find it harder to actually get help/convince themselves to get help due to a social stigma, so they tend to be more likely to go straight for the suicidal option.
That, combined with the choice of method, where men mostly chose more brutal and effective methods.
This semester has gone by in a blur and is the only semester of college that hasn't been a net positive. In fact, looking back, I only have regrets. After coming back from studying abroad, I didn't connect back with my old friends, but the friends I went abroad with all returned to their old friend groups. I've socially isolated myself even though there are plenty of people I could spend time with. That'd be okay if I didn't also act a complete fuck-up for a good quarter of the semester (the part when I was socially active).
So basically this semester is a net loss socially and academically, and my ADHD and anxiety problems have gotten much worse. Finals are making me feel hopeless. A career is looking less likely. I've been having a pretty strong urge to get out of here and travel somewhere quiet and naturey, but it's finals week, so...
It seems like I can either be socially isolated and academically successful or academically subpar and socially active. I can't balance my life out at all. When I try, I get a semester like this.
So basically this semester is a net loss socially and academically, and my ADHD and anxiety problems have gotten much worse. Finals are making me feel hopeless. A career is looking less likely. I've been having a pretty strong urge to get out of here and travel somewhere quiet and naturey, but it's finals week, so...
It seems like I can either be socially isolated and academically successful or academically subpar and socially active. I can't balance my life out at all. When I try, I get a semester like this.
Collete
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No,I've been kicked outby therapists at my uni.
Parents don't believe Ihave depression. out right deny my scars. out right deny every mental illness about me. They don't care I'm in so much pain in their eyes crying nearly daily.
I can't get any funds for therapy. Job prospect is slim, Ican barely function at school much let at a job. There'snothing. no sliding pay scale fee in a reasonable distance. only idiots wanting to put christ inmy life (which is illegal in psychology).
Whah? For real? That's harsh, did they not even recommend you a different place to go to? I'm sorry if this was mentioned before, but have you started looking for a different, more understanding, better place?
this is the single worst thing that happens
I got taken along to a "youthgroup" by someone that claimed they just wanted to help me
It ended up just being a church session and they got everyone to raise their hands if they brought someone along to "be saved."
at least they had free coffee
Collete
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I was over going my limit of 40 sessions per student. I can't over pay to continue anyways. They were absoulte shit anyways and made me fele worse about myself. They recommended but it was all 20 bucks+ an hour, i can't "steal" that much from my parents unnoticed. I got by on a sliding pay scale fee because it was only a dollar and isn't really hard to get away with "oh it's just getting a coke" type of deal.
It's fine, don't apologize.I searched. people in past helped me look for an understanding, better place.there is none.
I'm sorry for shitty grammar, I'm lack on sleep and still with a crappy pc.
Wow,reminds me of the hindu group my parents made me go to. "Oh it's not religious" When all they taught about was all the dieties from Hinduism...great.
yeah
its quite intimidating actually
reminds you that the only difference between a cult and religion is how mainstream it is
Collete
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Unfortunatly yes...
They still don't accept my atheism and still say"choose a religion or else" (obviously i haven't)
Really stupid. I can decide for myself if I want to be in a religion or not. I'm 21damn years old. I'm old enough to realizeif i need a religion in my life.
Did you try appeasing them by calling yourself Agnostic?
Collete
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They don't take me seriously unless I'm within the 5 main religions.
shadowsdarknes
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This was me last year, holy shit. I moved in with some best friends of mine but I swear I just felt like we grew apart the entire time. We still chill but fucking A if it isn't the same as freshman or sophomore year.
Fast forward to this semester when I finally decide to apply myself and I can't balance it. How can I have an active social life without income? I can't get a job because the restaurants I applied and interviewed at are looking for full-time people. So how can I balance studying, a full-time job, and a social life? I just chose to focus on school.
It sucks though. I know I can time manage for the first month or two. The question is do I have the mental strength to keep it up consistently and through the end? Also, I must start internships sooner rather than later. That is honestly the most important part of my future plan. Can't expect employment without solid references and work skills.
It's daunting. I'm probably psyching myself out. Next semester is the most important semester to date and I really need to grab the bull by the horns. However, some spare cash for a night and an occasional two nights out a week would be go a long way to keep me in the social loop. Striking a balance in my opinion requires hard work, dedication, relentlessness, and a lot of luck that all activities are flexible to my schedule.
It's friggin exhausting man. I just wish I could spend some more time having fun.
Collete
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Pretty much. I think their reasoning is to not make mefeel hopeless inmy life.
Atleast that's whatdad says. I appreciate the thoughtbut being in areligion will just make me more frustrated and questioning everything.
"hahaha Pastafarian? No, really, have you accepted Christ now?"
no offense, but atheism doesn't seem to be working out too well for you either.
Collete
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None taken,buti'm not going into a religion Idon't believe in.I don'treally believe in any of them.
dafuq. It's not like you just choose to be religious or not. Do you tell someone who's gay and depressed "try being straight"?
understandable. i don't think i'd ever be able to just "pick" a religion either.. unless i had a crazy vision or some shit hah. which could happen.
edit for clarity: i wasn't suggesting that he/she just become muslim or christian something. i dunno. i just feel like if your view is that there is absolutely no god, no force bigger than you, you have no soul, etc .. that's a kinda depressing mindset in itself.
Collete
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(I'm a she)
It is depressing a bit. Iadmit that.
But i'm not goingto force myself to believe in something I don'tbelieve in.
You should be doing that as an athiest too. But aren't we straying from the depression angle again?
Collete
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I do,but it just makes me more frustrated because there is no realanswer.
I sometimes just stopped questioning becausethe more I question, the more I realize how much it is absolutely frightening.
Apologies, the talkwas just stemmed from depression.
I'lldrop it.
frightening, how?
Before, you were talking about whether or not god is malevolent. (=religious topic)
Now we're talking about Oomikami's parents being bad parents because she's an atheist and why she can't just "pick" a religion (because that's not how it works) (=thread-related)
But yeah. There actually ARE answers, to most things, or at least potential attempts in science. There's several theories in physics that try to explain our universe, and the question of mortality/what happens after you die might be solved at some point too, with the University of Winnipeg just.. yesterday releasing info that they were able to create an artificial neural network of impressive size. You might never have to do, if you choose to do so.
I like to think questions that are atm too hard to answer are far more interesting than accepting a simple answer.
the idea that we arent limited and controlled by an omnipotent overseer, and that humans are not the ultimate life form is more liberating than depressing. If I were religious and still suffering from crippling depression I would assume that an all powerful being didnt like me and it would be absolutely crushing.
Collete
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If i had to honestly "choose" a religion because parents made me, wouldprobably buddhism. Only reason because it's the most logical out of the other 5 main religions.
That is interesting, wasn't aware they were doing stuff like that.
I don't know, somethings just don't have answer. I'm not suprised spirituality andthe after life don't have answers.
Frightening in the sense, I still don't know what will happen to me if Icommit suicide or die ofnatural causes. Will I burn in hell or expereince nothing? These things are probably what sometimes keeps me from going over boardbecause I still don't know theanswer.
Perhaps one ought to be more careful with religious labels. I know some agnostics who say they are spiritual (not in the religious = with god in mind I guess), but spiritual none the less. Perhaps they see a beautiful morning or see the stars spread out in the night sky. Or something.
I think depressive people can be spiritual.
Having said that. I did once read a short story about a depressed person and god. I think the character there separated depression the disease and their belief in a god. Could you be ill and believe in god? I guess so.
On that note, I guess I shouldn't*, but the short story called The Fly, by Katherine Mansfield (who had a really really difficult life), is a good read. It starts off slow, but it's a short story, so you shouldn't take more than ten minutes to read. It's free online. Link is at the bottom of the wiki. Read the criticism of it too. Which is interesting from a literature and philosophical viewpoint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fly_(short_story)
*why I shouldn't? Because it's a depressing story by an author who suffered a lot. Not really ideal in the depression thread.
I don't have an answer, but I do have a suggestion. It is your life. You get to make the final call.
Collete
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I know...*sigh*
I'm going to try studying again or pass out due to exhaustion. Oneof the two. Sorry for hassling you all.....
Yeah but most people believe god gave us free will to do whatever we want. Even go to hell if we choose so.
Also constraint can be very liberating in almost all form of human activities. Total freedom and independence is what drives so many of us crazy.
I offered my own perspective and did not project it to be absolute
For the people in here with social anxiety I've found this book: Overcoming Social Anxiety & Shyness by Gillian Butler to be very helpful, it's a CBT self-help book to remove the negative thoughts that instil the anxiety in you. In addition I've found How To Win Friends And Influence People By - Dale Carnegie very helpful. Though it was written in 1936, it has been updated to include more contemporary examples. Regardless it teaches principals in how to hold conversations with people and to make them like you rather than come off as an introverted weirdo which I think is debilitating fear to a lot of people with social anxiety.
I know I haven't posted in here much but I read it a lot. Some of the advice given here has been really helpful and offered a good perspective on my own social anxiety issues. I'm open to any other suggestions to deal with social anxiety, outside of my own group of friends I find it extremely difficult to approach people I don't or barely know. It's a vicious cycle that once it starts results in even worse thoughts and physical reactions. I know it's all in my own head and I'm the only one who can stop the thoughts that create it. I've thought about taking medication but I'm just not sure how helpful it would be, I don't want to end up dependant on meds.
I know I haven't posted in here much but I read it a lot. Some of the advice given here has been really helpful and offered a good perspective on my own social anxiety issues. I'm open to any other suggestions to deal with social anxiety, outside of my own group of friends I find it extremely difficult to approach people I don't or barely know. It's a vicious cycle that once it starts results in even worse thoughts and physical reactions. I know it's all in my own head and I'm the only one who can stop the thoughts that create it. I've thought about taking medication but I'm just not sure how helpful it would be, I don't want to end up dependant on meds.
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Where you at? Isn't hunting legal pretty much anywhere? So you could always shoot yourself if you want to.
Hanging, jumping in front of a train and using a chainsaw are also possible. Women are probably more likely to swallow pills/slit wrists, which are very survivable.
you would need to get a hunting license
i had the choice of hanging or overdose
but they dont give you enough to do it generally
had a pretty good noose set up where my punching bag used to be though and it was just a matter of getting drunk enough at one point
Why is it depressing? Does it comfort you to think you're nothing but a speck of dust that can be destroyed in an instant by the will of a super powerful dude? I'd say it's the complete opposite, actually. If you believe in some deity and are still depressed, then he's an asshole who rejoices in your suffering and pain, and doesn't give a damn about your shitty life. Please explain me how THAT is less depressing than being an atheist.
Cut my dose of Lexapro in half a few days ago.
Having withdrawals. Holy shit.
Mostly just so, so tired. Brutal fatigue.
I'd call out of work but its quite literally all in my head. Pretty sure more rest wouldnt help. Just have to give my brain a week to get over it.
Having withdrawals. Holy shit.
Mostly just so, so tired. Brutal fatigue.
I'd call out of work but its quite literally all in my head. Pretty sure more rest wouldnt help. Just have to give my brain a week to get over it.
Are you taking any new drugs or supplements?
Yeah there kind of is. But it just seems crazy that it would be causing me to be this out of sorts. I think it might be a perfect storm of smaller stressors.
Agent Cooper
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Well.
He broke up with me.
And I can't just forget it. He's such an emotionless dick.
God, I hate him.
I hate me.
He broke up with me.
And I can't just forget it. He's such an emotionless dick.
God, I hate him.
I hate me.
Hope you feel better in time. Break ups are something you just have to go through unfortunately.
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