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The Dark Knight Rises |OT2| The Legend... Continues

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Liquidsnake said:
Ahh man you understand. Banes every line in that fight is a masterpiece. Seriously. Who ever wrote that entire scene was on to something so special. The Audio is amazing too just the best scene in the trilogy for me too.
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Not that I think Bale's performance was oscar worthy, I did love how he was able to play 3 different characters in each movie.

Very cool to see him go from arrogant billionaire public Bruce Wayne to the actual private hurt Bruce Wayne to the monster Batman. Perfect casting for what they wanted to do with Bruce Wayne.

And Messypandas I agree with your point. The aim of that scene was to show that Bruce isn't ready to just jump back into action and that he will have his ass handed to him. I think they revealed LOS/Bane at that point to highlight how real Alfred's fear/warning were. But I also see how he could have made the same point based on his deteriorating health and left the reveal of LOS as a huge surprise during the first Bane/Batman fight.
 
Solo said:
It's like Sculli said, the Bane/LoS stuff could have been handled in a MUCH more subtler, non-hamfisted, and frankly more shocking and cool manner altogether. Get rid of Alfred's janky exposition, and only have Bruce discover the Bane/LoS connection when he first encounters him and gives the ".....but we are initiated, aren't we? Members of the League of Shadows...." line. Boom, connection/twist done in a much slicker fashion.
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Yeah the way that line was delivered seemed like it was some big reveal but it was ruined my Alfred mentioning it in casual conversation previously.
 
Solo said:
It's like Sculli said, the Bane/LoS stuff could have been handled in a MUCH more subtler, non-hamfisted, and frankly more shocking and cool manner altogether. Get rid of Alfred's janky exposition, and only have Bruce discover the Bane/LoS connection when he first encounters him and gives the ".....but we are initiated, aren't we? Members of the League of Shadows...." line. Boom, connection/twist done in a much slicker fashion.
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This was always my sense. I think it would been a far more dramatic reveal.
 
What was Batman trying to do anyway when he threw those smoke bomb things at Bane? It accomplished nothing. :lol
 
Killing_Joke said:
Sorry but that doesn't sound like Batman to me. Even though Bruce is very arrogant he's not dumb enough to jump into anything head first. Alfred gave him some info, He's like " fuck you i'm batman", overestimates Bane and gets fucked up. Comes back to finish the job. There is no reason to drop the one thing Alfred can do just to have some fancy clever twist with a movie/franchise that has more than enough.
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Isn't the point of the first half of the movie that he is arrogant and dumb for jumping into this situation head first?

And I agree with Solo/Sculli. That exposition dump feels really off.

But then I feel the same about most of the major "callbacks" in this movie (LOS connection, Harvey Dent speech). They feel less like natural extensions and more like Nolan is straining to tie this "trilogy" together and make it seem pre-planned, even on story threads that didn't need it.

I sort of prefer how TDK acted like a reboot in itself.
 
jett said:
What was Batman trying to do anyway when he threw those smoke bomb things at Bane? It accomplished nothing. :lol
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Theatricality and deception are powerful agents, bitches!

Unless you're fighting a guy who... knows all your tricks and decided to just pound your ass into the ground.
 
Scullibundo said:
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Yup. It's painfully obvious how little of the punches actually connect in this fight. Destroys any tension there could have been. The flat choreography detracts from most spectacle as well. The only interesting part is when Bruce uses the cape to break his fall. Where Batman actually does something only Batman could do. I always really liked how prominent the grapple gun was in Begins - it's an iconic and essential part of his arsenal across all incarnations and it's treated as such in Begins too. Batman isn't just the suit but also the tools he has at his disposal. However the light-switch thing he uses during the Bane fight and the bat darts as well come across as contrived because they're used only once each. In no way do they ever seem as essential as the cape, the batarangs or the grapple gun do. They're simply in the film to provide set-pieces.

The best fight segment in the film is where Bane just starts pounding on Bruce against the pillar. I think Tom Hardy might have actually been hitting Bale there. And that's how all the fighting should have seemed. Absolutely fucking brutal - not only for the characters but the actors too.
 
I just don't like how Nolan and Pfister framed the majority of action in this movie. They set the camera behind a character punching to obscure the fact that nothing connects multiple times in the sewer fight and they did it earlier when Bane hits the security guard with his helmet. Not only are they poor camera angles, it draws attention to exactly what they're doing. The few times they go wide angle (final fight, pillar scene especially), the shot looks more professional.

There's another couple scenes - the stock exchange, Blake gunfight at the construction site, and when Bane's men killed the special forces guys - where the gunshots/sparks/dust didn't even line up with the direction people were people shooting.

And I don't even understand what's with the shot where the Tumbler fires its cannon directly at the Bat to no effect during the last chase.

It's all so sloppy.
 
Tookay said:
Isn't the point of the first half of the movie that he is arrogant and dumb for jumping into this situation head first?
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That's because Alfred already told him Bane's bio. He figured since he whooped Ra's ass he can do the same with Bane. Arrogant yeah, But not really dumb. He wasn't in the right state of mind which is why Alfred was pushing him hard to stop. Seriously, take out those 2 scenes and Alfred had no reason to be in the movie.

But i'm biased. I was tired that every villain had to be mysterious. Little to no back story. Bane was fleshed out through out the whole movie which was nice for once.
 
Tookay said:
But then I feel the same about most of the major "callbacks" in this movie (LOS connection, Harvey Dent speech). They feel less like natural extensions and more like Nolan is straining to tie this "trilogy" together and make it seem pre-planned, even on story threads that didn't need it.
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How is a speech about Harvey Dent not a natural callback to Harvey Dent?

edit - Wait. I think I'm misreading you. :lol Christ, I need to sleep.
 
I will never understand the choreography of Nolan's films.

How is it that Arrow, a television show that airs on the CW, that has a much smaller budget, less known actors, that is similar in tone, has so much better choreography? Shows like Arrow and Nikita make the fights in Nolan's films look like playfighting sometimes (that being said, the Bane/Batman fights still look fucking cool).
 
Not that I think the choreography is amazing or something out of this world, but watching it over and over in gif formats or even slowed down will obviously ruin it.

Watched the movie in IMAX over and over and in the movie itself you don't notice it nearly as much unless you are exclusively looking for it.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Ahh man you understand. Banes every line in that fight is a masterpiece. Seriously. Who ever wrote that entire scene was on to something so special. The Audio is amazing too just the best scene in the trilogy for me too.


"You fight like a younger man, with nothing held back. Admirable but mistaken."

"Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!"

Just awesome awesome stuff.
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I think some of Banes dialogue is masterful, and Hardy is brilliant, but it is hard to shine when you are covered in crap.
 
Mariolee said:
Don't know if it's already been posted, but there's an outtakes video of the Honest Trailers Redlettermedia collab which is almost the exact opposite of what the actual Honest Trailer was trying to do lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acYl2lpq1YI
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I love RLM so goddamn much.

I just watched the movie again a couple hours ago. Still holds up. I was thinking that all of the gifs of botched fight scenes and such would tamper with my enjoyment, but wouldn't you know it, fight scenes don't look as silly at normal frame speed with sound effects and music. It's like science or magic or some shit.
 
Ra's and Joker are on par on the greatness scale and then Harvey and Gordon.

Banee.. not so much. Lotsa swag but I felt more character out of Barsad, who really was the star of TDKR IMO.

this is now a Barsad appreciation page.

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bangladesh said:
Ra's and Joker are on par on the greatness scale and then Harvey and Gordon.

Banee.. not so much. Lotsa swag but I felt more character out of Barsad, who really was the star of TDKR IMO.

this is now a Barsad appreciation page.

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I wish we had two movies so we could get more of Barsad too.
 
1) This movie is really gorgeous in HD, especially the IMAX scenes

2) I miss IMAX sound

3) Having subtitles on made me realize how much dialogue I didn't even know existed

4) "Perhaps your knife...was too slow" hehehehe
 
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