Star Trek Into Darkness - Official poster revealed, teaser trailer now online
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Foxy Fox 39
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He looks as if he could play Evilore as well in a Bollywood drama about the rise and (eventual) fall of Neogaf.
Technosteve
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I liked Star Trek Nemesis, well just the parts with Picard and Shinzon.
thetrin
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I still haven't seen Nemesis either, but it looks SO AWFUL that I never bothered. The fact that Picard is bald in his Academy photo is hilarious, though.
Sapiens
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Star Trek X is one of he unwatchable ones for me. I've never been able to make it through.
The only way I was able to even bear a synopsis was through the RLM-Plinkett review.
Insurrection is the blandest.
TMP is the most pretentious.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I get the feeling that Alice Eve is going to be Kirk's Rika.
I like it as a funny kind of thing, mostly. It's the most watchable of the bad treks for me, easily.
Insurrection I find bordering on unwatchably bad.
I'm really not that fond of ST09. It's energetic, I'll give it that, but it turned the series into generic blockbuster fluff. The series has been veering that way for a while, it's just that the movie was the first to successfully hit that mark.
09 is full of Orci/Kurtzman's lazy writing with plot holes you can drive a truck through and characters that are as bland and inoffensive as possible. Everything always feels so calculated in their films, like they have blockbusters down to a science. It's constant pursuit of spectacle that has nothing to say about anything. Even the worst Trek films were trying to say something or have a thematic reason for existing, even if it was simple.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I hate Lagaan. One of the worst films of all time.
I'm just saying... I could see him playing Khan.
Would be worth it for the music dance numbers alone.
"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Dragonaaaaaaaaa
My heeeeeeeeeeart is not compleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeete
Withoooooooout youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
Sapiens
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Is this what ruined Frakes' directing career?
I hate Lagaan. One of the worst films of all time.
I'm just saying... I could see him playing Khan.
Would be worth it for the music dance numbers alone.
"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Dragonaaaaaaaaa
My heeeeeeeeeeart is not compleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeete
Withoooooooout youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
Well, he has the chest for it. Is he the only well built Indian actor ever?
Woah! I only know of that guy because my Indian roommate made me watch Three Idiots.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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He directs the most awesome episodes of Leverage if I recall correctly.
Anticitizen One
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If the comics are canon it can't be Gary Mitchell
No I think it's Khan and the girl is Carol Marcus
the comic is literally an adaption of the episode with mitchell acquiring the powers and having a big fight on delta vega which ends with Gary using the last of his humanity to tell kirk to finish him off. Kirk shoots him in the chest and puts him in a casket that floats in space at the end. He is very clearly dead.
No I think it's Khan and the girl is Carol Marcus
What does a god need with death.
The Technomancer
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Insurrection has the awesome scene with the holodeck at the end, and the cool scene with Data in the beginning though.
Sapiens
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Star Trek has established that floating a coffin into space is merely an impediment to one's existence, not the end of it.
Insurrection is notable for having one of the very few displays of Data's physical abilities.
Just once, I would like to see Data punch a guy so hard he turns into dust, but it was never meant to be.
Yes, but I love speculation and from what I gather, we're all having a grand ol time of it here.
This thing about the Khan/Mitchell speculation is that it's completely pointless to keep it a secret. It'll get revealed in the first five minutes of the film. It's typical Abrams: teasing that's just going to result in (probably Khan) fans getting disappointed when their theory loses out (and is likely better than the actual one Kurtzman/Orci come up with).
The English Conquistador
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Why did Data even do that again? Was it a glitch?
That's what I want personally. I want for there to be some horrible crisis and for them to revive a member of the Botany Bay to help stop it, for that guy to save the day, but Kirk to get the credit. That would create the rivalry/bitterness required for a revenge movie.
Unfortunately that doesn't appear to be what's happening.
Unless, the synopsis is a huge bait and switch.
Maybe the force of terror from within is SEPARATE from the one man weapon of mass destruction.
Sapiens
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From what I recall, it's never explained well. Like everything else in that film.
What a waste of F. Murray.
thetrin
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No?
Sickboy007
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Wait, Nazneen Contractor is a real name?
And I still like TMP, it's a great idea.
And I still like TMP, it's a great idea.
Sapiens
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Singham was pretty built, but in my mind, every bollywood action star has the build of Rajinakanth.
Yeah, but one idea doesn't make a 2.5 hour film (that feels like 4).
There's a lot to like in TMP, but none of it ever comes together to make it worthwhile.
Would be cool if they got an actually Indian actor to play Khan if they do ever go there.
All the bad ones have good ideas. Even 5.
All the bad ones have good ideas. Even 5.
The Technomancer
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"A one man weapon of mass destruction"
Man, how the hell can this not be Mitchell?
Man, how the hell can this not be Mitchell?
thetrin
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Well, mine too, but I don't think Bollywood has been about fat guys with staches for a long time.
Uhura doesn't look like Uhura, characters don't have to look the same.
Eve could easily be Carol Marcus, the mother of Kirk's child David. The way they looked at each other in the trailer indicated that were going to have a romance plot. That would allow for the villain to be Khan or a Superman.
Sapiens
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I wonder if they could still get away with casting a dude with a thick columbian accent in this day and age...
I wonder if it may be a take on the whole Eugenics thing without using Khan or Mitchell.
Ya there is no rule.
Movies 2,3,4,6 are good. 8 is the best of the TNG but not as good as 2 or 6.
TOS movies have a much more fun and adventurous tone to them and are therefore better movies.
Dehner also had a romance plot with Kirk. I mean, come on. She's a girl and she was in TOS.
You have to jump through so many silly hoops to still think it could be Khan.
thetrin
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In my personal experience, most Americans have no idea what an Indian actually looks like. People keep thinking I'm South American or middle eastern.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's a shame Amrish Puri passed away, I'd want him to play Khan in a heartbeat (if you don't recognize the name, he played Mola Ram in Temple of Doom):
I'm Mexican and I've been mistaken for Indian. Damn us 'muricans.
thetrin
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spotted this on trekweb:
Sherlock:
Star Trek:
Yeah, i was also reminded of The Reinbach Fall.
While I agree ultimately that it isn't Khan, they're definitely playing off people's anticipation/speculation it is Khan in the trailer. When you say stuff like I have returned, talk about vengeance, and have that shot at the end of the trailer, it gives the average person something to work with in believing it's Khan, because that's the only recognizable (singular) villain to a lot of people.
Davey Cakes
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Hmmmm. It's kind of shaky.
I didn't become a more involved fan of Star Trek until after watching through The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. When I saw ST 2009, I was an extremely casual fan of TNG but that was it. I thought it was an alright movie; nothing bad, nothing great, just serving as a framework for a new series of movies. Solid action, but I'm never big on origin movies that have to get everything established really quickly so that the plot can be resolved in a two-hour span.
It's a bit extreme to call ST 2009 a "bastardization." I think only the most extreme fans thought of it that way. Even the best of the Star Trek shows had moments where they put aside the technobabble and went full-on with action.
It's okay that you couldn't "stomach" old ST (which is, I guess, anything before ST 2009?). But I will say that, for those of use who could "stomach" old ST to the point of heavily enjoying it, saw more in the series than just the geeky superficial layer. The first Star Trek show I watched all the way through was Deep Space Nine, and I absolutely loved it. I often refer to that show as the "Star Trek show for people who aren't sure if they like Star Trek." Yeah, it's still a Sci-Fi show that geeks will love but there's a lot of aspects that are deeper than the "geekiness." Enjoyable characters, meaningful plots that are often philosophical in nature, having a solid emotional core at times, etc. There was a lot to it.
TNG was similar in many ways, often serving as a "space soap opera with sci-fi elements." Not devoid of good action or suspense though, depending on the episode. Not many fans even enjoyed the TNG movies; it was mostly because these movies were just kind of stupid in the sense of plot, but also because they put the emphasis on action when that's not necessarily what Star Trek is about.
So, with the "new Trek" that started with ST 2009, you get a lot of people saying "I didn't like old Trek but now they're catering more to what I like; fun, action-packed summer blockbuster movies." Yeah, that's right, now ST is being catered to the masses, which is actually kind of great since it means the franchise will get more mainstream exposure. But, acting like fan skepticism is unwarranted is a bit silly when you consider that Star Trek's layers have basically been stripped away so that it can be "stomached" by the general populace. While these new movies are unique because of the franchise they're attached to, the presentation is not really unique; again, it feels like "summer blockbuster + Star Trek" rather than being a true Star Trek production, and thus feels cheapened overall. It may still be enjoyable to fans of old and new alike (I wasn't thrilled by the trailer but I'm still looking forward to the movie), but it should be completely understandable if old fans come off as a bit stubborn. It's not really about being a "zealout," it's just about questioning the goodness of a product that's been stripped of its prior meaning.
In the end, it isn't so simple as "haha fanboys and geeks, your thing is now my thing and you have to deal with it."
All this said, ST 2009 was definitely the best Star Wars movie since ESB. I actually have a soft spot for RotJ though, so maybe that one is arguable. The prequels are horrible excuses for movies, Star Wars or not, so it's not hard to surpass them and I'd happy take "new Trek" over "new Star Wars."
The comic thing is purely circumstantial. But it goes in line with everything else pointing at Mitchell.
SCULLIBUNDO
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spotted this on trekweb:
Sherlock:
Star Trek:
Earth, Star Fleet... this is where they made us.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I hope Cumberbatch's character doesn't just turn into some whiny, petulant asshole. I want some damned gravitas!
First Contact has worse plot holes than ST09 IMO.
The Borg having to fight their way to Earth before going back in time is one, why not just go back in time THEN go to Earth without resistance?
Also, that room Picard took that woman to, the one that can only be accessed by tube and not doors, and contains nothing but a control panel that opens an opaque window. Oh, and Picard shooting partially assimilated crew as if he was putting them down, when Trek canon has established that you can save these people. Hell, Picard was a Borg that was saved, but he doesn't even consider leaving his assimilated crewman alive just in case they beat the Borg so they can save them later. Oh, and why is Picard all Borg-genocidal in this movie when he had the ability to destroy the Borg using a virus in Hue but decided that was morally wrong and refused to do it? Oh, and they wanted to preserve the timeline... but then went on telling people everything about the future.
I'm a Trek fan who liked TOS, TNG, and VOY, to a lesser extent ENT (was awesome when Coto took over), and is recently finally doing a full watch of DS9.. But I love JJ Trek. It's amazing, it's familiar, and it's fun.
As long as TREK lives on, that's all that matters. I'll never understand those who say "It's not Trek". It is. It has the name, the ship, and the characters. Deal with it.
As long as TREK lives on, that's all that matters. I'll never understand those who say "It's not Trek". It is. It has the name, the ship, and the characters. Deal with it.
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