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[inm8num2]

Lindelof is listed as a writer on IMDB below Orci and Kurtzman, which hopefully means he contributed little, if anything at all.

Same with ST 2009, I think Abrams just had Lindelof there as a "producer" to help his resume for the eventual post-LOST career.

I'll stop myself now before going on a tirade about Lindelof.

 

[Forever]

Why would anyone want godly powers?

At the cost of anything resembling your original personality and consciousness? It's basically committing suicide.

Also touching the barrier nearly destroyed the entire ship, so there is that too.

 

[antonz]

I don't remember any humans that aren't half-alien having telepathy or telekinesis in the ST universe and certainly no talk of "psionic readings". Was Gary Mitchell the only one?

What if Vulcans or Betazeds cross the barrier?

Basically Mitchell and Dehner had higher than normal psionic potential. Not high enough on its own to matter but the freak interaction with the barrier amplified and basically unlocked their potential so it would continue growing.

 

[Zzoram]

At the cost of anything resembling your original personality and consciousness? It's basically committing suicide.

Also touching the barrier nearly destroyed the entire ship, so there is that too.

There is always going to be someone who will do it. Sauron in ST7 Generations is the kind of person who would do it.

 

[Forever]

There is always going to be someone who will do it. Sauron in ST7 Generations is the kind of person who would do it.

Again there's no guarantee that the ship would even survive, the Enterprise was just lucky and only got badly damaged.

 

[Zzoram]

Basically Mitchell and Dehner had higher than normal psionic potential. Not high enough on its own to matter but the interaction with the barrier amplified and basically unlocked their potential so it would continue growing

If Spock makes contact with it, would he become Professor X?

 

[Gary Whitta]

Lindelof is listed as a writer on IMDB below Orci and Kurtzman, which hopefully means he contributed little, if anything at all.

Same with ST 2009, I think Abrams just had Lindelof there as a "producer" to help his resume for the eventual post-LOST career.

I'll stop myself now before going on a tirade about Lindelof.

Just FYI, by Writers Guild rules you can't receive credit on a movie unless you are deemed to have contributed at least 1/3 of the final shooting script.

I thought the teaser looked cool.

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

Wasn't Mitchell a former Academy grad? He's rocking some Academy duds in this shot. They look pretty worn though.

This the same shirt in this shot?

 

[Zzoram]

Just FYI, by Writers Guild rules you can't receive credit on a movie unless you are deemed to have contributed at least 1/3 of the final shooting script.

So there can never be more than 3 writers credited?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Lindelof is listed as a writer on IMDB below Orci and Kurtzman, which hopefully means he contributed little, if anything at all.

Same with ST 2009, I think Abrams just had Lindelof there as a "producer" to help his resume for the eventual post-LOST career.

I'll stop myself now before going on a tirade about Lindelof.

No, Lindelof contributed to the screenplay. In fact, most of the more blatantly "Star Wars"-y elements are credited to Lindelof.

The imdb credits aren't laid out like the ingredients on the Nutrition Facts label. Just because Lindelof is listed third doesn't mean he helped out the least amount.

Hell, NONE of the four writers credited with writing "Superman: The Movie" actually wrote what ended up onscreen. Nothing that Leigh Brackett put on paper ever wound up in Empire Strikes Back. You'll probably have to wait for interviews/bonus features before you find out who contributed what and in what amounts.

I thought the teaser looked cool.

It's going to be a beautiful movie. I hope they don't lose most of the color/fun that made the first one such a blast on first viewing.

 

[antonz]

If Spock makes contact with it, would he become Professor X?

Spock did cross the barrier and wasn't impacted by it. Its been suggested that perhaps the barrier had alien beings trapped in it that somehow entered the 2 bodies. We see that when they are fully possessed that they are not themselves but when the eyes returned to normal they were quite human. So a possession type scenario is always possible.

Of course it could just be random occurrence with the barrier impacting people at random differently

 

[Craiji]

What he is wearing looks very similar to the undershirt of the uniforms.

Many scenes of Kirk wearing something similar in 2009 ST.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm504597504/tt0796366

 

[maharg]

Why is there a galactic barrier anyways? Do we have one in real life?

While it was known that there were other galaxies outside our own by scientists since the 20s, in SF writing knowledge of that seems to have lagged by quite a bit. It's a pretty safe bet that in any SF from the 60s when they say 'galaxy', what they mean is what we now call 'universe', with very different ideas about what the boundaries of that universe would be like. So in Where No Man Has Gone Before they're not just talking about the edge of the Milky Way. They're talking about something far more significant.

 

[Gary Whitta]

So there can never be more than 3 writers credited?

There are exceptions but generally no. Sometimes it can look like more because a writing team (names separated by "&" rather than "and") are considered one writer.

Actually I just noticed that all three writers on ST:ID are credited as a writing team, so yeah in that case it's impossible to know how much each individual writer contributed.

 

[nomis]

The only villain with a less threatening name than Gary Mitchell.

The dreaded GARTH.

CUMBERBATCH: "When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master."

GREENWOOD: "Only a master of evil, Garth."

 

[Forever]

How does Lindelof still get work anyway?

 

[Zzoram]

Just read expanded universe stuff about the galactic barrier. Apparently the Q made it to keep some bad things out. Also, apparently Gary Mitchell and Denher were possessed by a Q that was in the barrier.

I wonder if JJ knows that expanded universe stuff and if he is going to bring the Q into this movie.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

How does Lindelof still get work anyway?

How anyone gets work: A combination of resume/connections. He knows people, those people regard his work/reputation well enough to pay him for it.

There are lots of writers worse than Lindelof who consistently get work. There are worse writers than Lindelof who not only have Oscars, but their own production shingles.

Hollywood is not a meritocracy.

I wonder if JJ knows that expanded universe stuff and if he is going to bring the Q into this movie.

It's almost 100% that will never happen.

Actually I just noticed that all three writers on ST:ID are credited as a writing team,

No colon! I'm pretty sure I read an interview where part of the reason they named it the way they did is because they really didn't want to have a colon in their title.

 

[nomis]

How anyone gets work: A combination of resume/connections. He knows people, those people regard his work/reputation well enough to pay him for it.

There are lots of writers worse than Lindelof who consistently get work. There are worse writers than Lindelof who not only have Oscars, but their own production shingles.

Hollywood is not a meritocracy.

Bbbbbut the internets told me that Lindelof was the worst writer in Hollywood.

 

[radios shipping overview]

How does Lindelof still get work anyway?

One of many unanswered questions, like what the numbers mean, what the island is, and why nobody cared after Noomi got out of the medical booth in her underwear.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

How does Lindelof still get work anyway?

I get the feeling that Lindeloff might have good ideas... but he sucks at execution. But if he helped with the first Star Trek, I'm not too worried. Love that movie.

 

[Hot Coldman]

No colon! I'm pretty sure I read an interview where part of the reason they named it the way they did is because they really didn't want to have a colon in their title.

Also it sounds somehow dumber with a colon.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Bbbbbut the internets told me that Lindelof was the worst writer in Hollywood.

the internets frequently forgets anything older than three months.

(the writer I was referencing specifically was Akiva Goldsman)

 

[maharg]

Just read expanded universe stuff about the galactic barrier. Apparently the Q made it to keep some bad things out. Also, apparently Gary Mitchell and Denher were possessed by a Q that was in the barrier.

I wonder if JJ knows that expanded universe stuff and if he is going to bring the Q into this movie.

Hahahah.

No.

And all of that is just 30 year later non-canon retconning anyways.

 

[Forever]

the internets frequently forgets anything older than three months.

Prometheus still seems as bad as ever to me.

 

[DrForester]

Just read expanded universe stuff about the galactic barrier. Apparently the Q made it to keep some bad things out. Also, apparently Gary Mitchell and Denher were possessed by a Q that was in the barrier.

I wonder if JJ knows that expanded universe stuff and if he is going to bring the Q into this movie.

Q Squared was a horrible book...

 

[MisterHero]

Was it ever offically decided if Charlie X was a Q? He did get taken away by some cosmic authority.

Originally, Gary Mitchell was buried under a mountain and disabled by Dehner. In the comic, Kirk and Co. leave his body in space. I can only imagine a lot of cataclysmic diversions from the original timeline.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Prometheus still seems as bad as ever to me.

That's way more Ridley Scott than it is Damon Lindelof. The 4-disc set makes that painfully, PAINFULLY clear.

 

[nomis]

One of many unanswered questions, like what the numbers mean, what the island is, and why nobody cared after Noomi got out of the medical booth in her underwear.

Bro, didn't you buy Ridley Scott's Prometheus Collector's Edition on Blu-Ray™ Disc?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Sherlock has come to destroy the world..I am in

 

[maharg]

Was it ever offically decided if Charlie X was a Q? He did get taken away by some cosmic authority.

Originally, Gary Mitchell was buried under a mountain and disabled by Dehner. In the comic, Kirk and Co. leave his body in space. I can only imagine a lot of cataclysmic diversions from the original timeline.

I think in the book universe(s) pretty much all the godly creatures from TOS have been swept up under the Q banner.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

That's way more Ridley Scott than it is Damon Lindelof. The 4-disc set makes that painfully, PAINFULLY clear.

(oh shit)

 

[Zzoram]

I think in the book universe(s) pretty much all the godly creatures from TOS have been swept up under the Q banner.

That helps to keep things simple rather than there being dozens of godly species completely unrelated.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Bro, didn't you buy Ridley Scott's Prometheus Collector's Edition on Blu-Ray™ Disc?

Does this make the movie better? Did he stick the missing 20 minutes back in the movie?

 

[nomis]

Does this make the movie better? Did he stick the missing 20 minutes back in the movie?

Nah. I was just joking about the fact that they put "answers" on a bonus disc instead of answers in the script.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

the internets frequently forgets anything older than three months.

(the writer I was referencing specifically was Akiva Goldsman)

Goldsman's movie work is utter shit. He is THE worst major screenwriter out there.

However, he has turned in absolutely stellar work on many episodes of Fringe. It was so weird for me watching those because of his involvement. Part of my brain was screaming for me to run away, but somehow he delivered amazing work. I wonder if it was his evil twin or something.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Does this make the movie better? Did he stick the missing 20 minutes back in the movie?

No. He's goofing on the sticker attached to the box. That sticker isn't altogether inaccurate. Questions are answered. It's that the answers are frustrating and maddening.

I'm kinda curious as to whether we'll see Klingons without their helmets on, and if JJ's gonna go with the "trilobite glued to your forehead" look, the "evil goatee" look, or something inbetween.

 

[TheExecutive]

Looks amazing. I love the original series and like the next generation but I am able to separate myself from those shows and enjoy the fun that was the latest Star Trek movie. This looks really good as well... Can't wait to embrace the new action that is Star Trek.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I don't remember any humans that aren't half-alien having telepathy or telekinesis in the ST universe and certainly no talk of "psionic readings". Was Gary Mitchell the only one?

What if Vulcans or Betazeds cross the barrier?

Two reasons.

1. The effect of the barrier would become a closely guarded secret to prevent others attempting this for their own purposes.
2. The effects are also psychological - attitudes, motives and aims change. They become uncontrollable, so this 'experiment' would ultimately serve no purpose.

Spoilers

Spoiler

And Mitchell wasn't the only one. He abducts Dr Elizabeth Dehner (pictured here. Look familiar?) and we eventually find her to have also gone through the transformation. She ultimately dies in an attempt to weaken Mitchell

 

[JdFoX187]

Why is there a galactic barrier anyways? Do we have one in real life?

In the expanded fiction, the Q Continuum created the barrier. But since that wasn't thought of until TNG, who's to say what Roddenberry's reasoning was for it.

EDIT: See you've already discovered this.

 

[Acheron]

CUMBERBATCH: "When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master."

GREENWOOD: "Only a master of evil, Garth."

Speaking about that, is Greenwood back?

 

[commedieu]

the villain kinda looks like the sloth from Ice Age.


I don't like that.

 

[JdFoX187]

Speaking about that, is Greenwood back?

Supposedly Pike is back, but who knows in what role.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

That's way more Ridley Scott than it is Damon Lindelof. The 4-disc set makes that painfully, PAINFULLY clear.

Shhhh, bitter people on the internet have a narrative to maintain. Don't let reality spoil the fun.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Shhhh, bitter people on the internet have a narrative to maintain. Don't let reality spoil the fun.

Oh. FUCK.

Spoiler

JESUS

 

[Mgoblue201]

the internets frequently forgets anything older than three months.

(the writer I was referencing specifically was Akiva Goldsman)

I thought that the writing in A Beautiful Mind was fairly clever, assuming that Howard shot what was written, but there are things about it which I did not enjoy. For one, the movie is populated with all kinds of bizarre references to "overturning" Adam Smith, as if Goldsman had to denigrate Smith to redeem Nash's work. Goldsman strikes me as the kind of writer who thinks "invented truth" is just as important as objective truth; in other words, he thinks that reality is too complex for a film and tries to distill it because he's capturing "the essence" of what he's trying to portray. I don't have a problem with a writer taking some license with the fact where it's warranted, but there is not a single damned scene in that movie that actually occurred (outside of the broad contours). And I say this despite really enjoying the film. But the book has all kinds of wonderful material that could've been really evocative in the hands of a great writer. Instead, there are some key moments in the film where Goldsman is trying to manufacture emotion, and it's mostly unearned.

 

[Forever]

Shhhh, bitter people on the internet have a narrative to maintain. Don't let reality spoil the fun.

For those of us who have not cared to see the four disk extra rich double chocolate shit edition, you could actually explain how it exonerates the writer.

 

[Mgoblue201]

As for Star Trek: I hope it's not Mitchell, or at least not like he appeared in the TV show, because the omnipotent superman is one of the most annoying sci-fi cliches. I'm reminded of how the original writer on that episode concocted a script for Star Trek 2, in place of the one we eventually got. From Wikipedia:

As preproduction began, Samuel A. Peeples, writer of the Star Trek episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before", was invited to offer his own script. Peeples's draft replaced Khan with two new villains named Sojin and Moray; the alien beings are so powerful they almost destroy Earth by mistake. This script was considered inadequate.

I hate stuff like that. Q was tolerable because the writers soon introduced a comic side to him, but mostly I want it kept out of Star Trek. I'm hoping that this is a new villain and everything the producers have said so far is just misdirection.

 

[Gary Whitta]

Speaking of God-like beings, I liked that old couple on TNG who lived in that house and could commit genocide with their thoughts.

 

[Mgoblue201]

Speaking of God-like beings, I liked that old couple on TNG who lived in that house and could commit genocide with their thoughts.

That's actually one of my favorite TNG episodes, but the setup to that was really clever, and the guy came off as more of a tragic figure than a villain.