Gary Whitta
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I agree. I always remember that line when he says "All Husnak... everywhere." That was really chilling.
Star Trek Into Darkness - Official poster revealed, teaser trailer now online
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Garrus Vakarian
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Benedict Cumberbatch sounds like the name of some over-the-top villain. (Not familiar with his works :/)
Trailer looks decent, bit too much going on for me to get a proper impression though. Loved the first one.
Trailer looks decent, bit too much going on for me to get a proper impression though. Loved the first one.
Speak for yourself. My problems are all with the script.
won't reply further on this. Not in this thread anyways
GameplayWhore
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They didn't seem to have a problem understanding the term "galaxy" a season and change later when the Kelvans popped in for a visit.
The writer of that particular episode didn't really have any SF experience. And, frankly, the story is more fantasy than SF. I think they meant "galaxy" when they used that term, and I think the writer simply had a very early case of Braga syndrome.
(that is to say "hey, it's a spacy thing, lets make it do something magic!")
Star Trek did a pretty good job dealing with the downsides of having such great powers. That was a really good episode
Bobby Roberts
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There were a lot of words spilled on it in one of the Prometheus threads (I believe it's the one about Jon Spaiht's original draft) but it comes down to this: Studio wanted the film to be less xenomorph-related. Ridley agreed. Studio wanted someone with more experience than Spaihts to be on the picture. Ridley agreed. Ridley grabbed Lindelof.
Ridley then, as he had done throughout the majority of pre-production (as seen in a LOT of the footage from the 3hr documentary on the making of) spent most of his time getting sloshed on wine and spewing shitty ideas into the ether. Lindelof then had to take those ideas and rewrite enough of Spaiht's script with them so as to secure the credit he'd been hired to provide.
All that aside - movies don't work like books in that the storytelling is largely dependent on the written word. More often than not the directors/actors are applying their own changes once its out of the writer's hands, and editing can even further change the storytelling intent. Prometheus isn't broken because Lindelof wrote a broken script. Prometheus is broken because Scott asked him to write that broken script to his specifications, signed off on it, and then directed an even MORE broken movie based off that skeleton.
Look at Orci/Kurtzman and the difference between Transformers and Star Trek. The scripts are, honestly, not too different in quality. Now give one to Michael Bay, and watch what happens. Give the other to JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof. Vastly different result.
Side note: I'm wondering if the shot of the Enterprise coming up out of the water came from the writers looking to top the moment from Star Trek where the Enterprise rises through planetary rings. Because that was probably the single prettiest shot of the whole movie.
Oh I agree it's Mitchell. Just saying it's not a bad guess.
And they could always makes him younger, and explosives and his super powers might eb enough for the marketing department, and he could be pissed as Kirk for sending him on the mission he was wounded on or any number of other things they could make up.
I overstated it, but confusion over the terms solar system, galaxy, and universe was absolutely common at the time. And very little contemporary SF was much more than fantasy anyways. Some were better than others at it, though, obviously.
I had forgotten about that episode though.
I am going in with no expectations. The first Abrams Star Trek film was very far from pefect but it got the job done so I can't complain too much.
I remember her from the final season of 24, she looked incredible. (´･ω･`) Does she have a big part in this?
I remember her from the final season of 24, she looked incredible. (´･ω･`) Does she have a big part in this?
Salvor.Hardin
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From a few pages back
From a few pages back
That's what I was trying to find but forgot where it was. Yes, this scream looks so awkward. I really hate it. It ruins the trailer for me because she's clearly going to be a major character and if this is what we can expect from her, that's bad.
It's picard from the mirror universe;
At the end Patrick Stewart shows up and fights him
Movie of the century!
The scene itself seems a little reminiscent of very old horror movies. The woman sees the monster and lets out a huge scream. I wonder how it will be implemented into the movie.
BocoDragon
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I think I'm in the perfect position to enjoy these movies.... I've probably watched every Star Trek episode ever, but I never considered myself a "fan" in that sense. If they change things, or make it more populist, I don't care. I'll enjoy whatever new thing they do with Trek, and at the same time understand what was referenced/what was changed.
Anticitizen One
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It would be a cool reveal if the villian is actually the leader of the talosians. Wouldn't that make people's jaws drop
BannedEpisode
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I loved the first movie. Never was a huge Trek fan but I know the universe thanks to my dad watching that stuff 24/7 when I was a kid.
Cant wait for this.
Cant wait for this.
Watch Sherlock on Netflix.
Based on past work I believe that she is a horrible actress, but I do not think this image is her fault.
That specific awkward scream would have had to have been a decision by someone behind the camera. 1) The position of her body and neck would have to have been chosen in advance of capturing the shot and 2) that take of that shot was chosen as part of a very short teaser.
The first film had its share of wonky angles as well. Who knows why, but Abrams seems to be pro-awkward scream.
I scanned the replies but I didn't see if anyone gave you this answer.
In the (non cannon) star trek novels, the barrier was placed there by the Q to prevent an immensely powerful, evil, and completely insane entity from getting in. It's the non canon reason but I always liked it the best.
I believe another non canon explanation is a similar one in which an ancient race put it there because the milky way is an extremely resource rich and valuable galaxy and there are a lot of very nasty forces in other galaxies trying to take it over. So they wanted to give the races in the milky way a fighting chance by protecting them with a barrier.
TrumanBurbank
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I thought Prometheus was garbage but Lindelof hate is getting old.
The Elite
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I love this scream. The shot looks like something out of a Rami film.
Also, I find it oddly arousing. I think there is something wrong with me.
This the same shirt in this shot?
Someone needs to find a comparison shot of B-Batch's hands.
Not Cumber-hands!?
I'm quite sure that we'll see some "modified" versions of that gif on sites like 4chan very soon.
radios shipping overview
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That reminded me more of when the Genesis planet is breaking down in STIII.
Choke on the Magic
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Nah there's not. You can totally imagine her ramming herself with some futuristic dildodic device or vibrating tribble.
GameplayWhore
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It depends on the writer, regardless of the show, with the time being much less of a factor than one would think. Firefly, which just celebrated its tenth anniversary, had a major problem of this sort in its opening voiceover, repeated every episode.
In televised science fiction, convenience very often trumps accuracy and continuity. That's just how things are.
"Hey, lets take that temperate, rocky planet near the edge of the galaxy from the TV show and turn it into a cold, icy planet co-orbiting with the hot, desert planet Vulcan!"
Salvor.Hardin
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Haha I was thinking the same exact thing. Although I admit, it seems a bit odd to see in a JJ Abrams Star Trek film.
Honestly, what part of "alternate timeline" is making it so impossible to believe that this is, indeed, Gary Mitchell, but the circumstances surrounding his conflict with Kirk and the Federation are altered because, you know, "alternate timeline" and all...
Gary doesn't have to have "godlike" powers in this timeline. Not everything in this timeline has to play out like they did in the other timeline.
Gary doesn't have to have "godlike" powers in this timeline. Not everything in this timeline has to play out like they did in the other timeline.
I don't want to drag this conversation too far off topic but I find it entirely plausible that many of the bad ideas came from Ridley, even if the film was competently shot and directed. I actually liked the atmosphere. The fact remains that the script was still unforgivably bad.
There would be absolutely no point to having it be Mitchell without god powers. The character is defined by those powers.
And the canonical comics already confirm that he got those powers so yeah.
That's all well and good, but it still doesn't change the fact that this is an alternate reality, where events can be tweaked and adjusted.
Mitchell doesn't need godlike powers to become a formidable one man army that Kirk must face, so seeing him jump around, wielding weapons, and being physical with Kirk isn't as impossible to me.
Sure, I guess Gary is "defined" by his powers, despite the fact that he was kind of a throwaway character in the first episode of the show that most people, even Trek fans, barely recall, yeah.
If Abrams can do something to make Mitchell interesting, I don't see the point in arguing over the minute details such as how "godlike" he is. But then, the comic has addressed Mitchell and his powers, so I'm curious as to what they plan on doing with that. It's very possible that Mitchell gets resurrected by some means, and does not have all of his powers from before, who knows.
I'm eager to learn more. I'm not in the "It's definitely Mitchell!" camp, nor am I in the "It's definitely Khan!" camp. To be honest, I don't actually care. I'm just eager to see Cumberbatch ham it up as a villain in a cool sci fi movie, whoever the villain may be.
AngmarsKing701
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Looks awesome. Will see in theaters.
Messofanego
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Bro, didn't you buy Ridley Scott's Prometheus Collector's Edition on Blu-Ray™ Disc?
New news = new thread? Everyone was at fault, it seems. I really wish there was no connection to Alien like the stupid ending, the Engineers were cool enough on their own.
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The alternate timeline is a stroke of genius for Abrams Trek as a whole. It gives the writers carte blanche to make any additions or modifications and create any inconsistencies they want, and it can all be handwaved away as timeline differences.
Abrams can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.
Well, the alternative to that would be to simply reboot the franchise entirely. Then they would have no restraints at all.
I'm still sort of torn about which option I would have preferred. I kind of prefer the timeline branch vs. a clean reboot just because this sort of incentivises them to tie the new movies into specific events from the original series.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I have the weirdest boner right now.
Only the internet can turn a scream into sex.
Hot Coldman
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Good sex should have some screams in it. Maybe you aren't doing it right?
GameplayWhore
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It was an incredibly Star Trek solution. No other franchise could have done this. Well, except for the Terminator films/show, which seems to do it regularly. Doctor Who doesn't count, as it more just tosses continuity away like an old handkerchief and doesn't need to temporal it up per se.
This was the kind of solution that made me think "Wow, it's like Geordie is in charge of storyline development at Paramount's Star Trek wing".
Usually the screams have you know emotional content, not blank stares.
GameplayWhore
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Is that the one that starts with the kid (which I think is an amazing trailer except specifically for that part) or the other one?
Jack Scofield
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Exactly. I never really understood the need for the alternate timeline bullshit. Just have Star Trek 2009 be a new vision for the classic characters. I don't understand why there needed to be an in-universe explanation for why events differ from the TV show. Creative differences should've been explanation enough.
It was done that way as a nod to the fanbase. Besides, Star Trek and time travel go together like PB & J.
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