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[SCULLIBUNDO]

That was filmed so horribly, inb4 "the scene is kinetic and we're supposed to be in fear of him so i filmed it that way"

Begins is better than The Dark Knight Rises. But the action scenes were filmed much better later on in this series.

Voicing the logical counter-argument doesn't make it any less valid. The editing work for the scene, not against it. It helps to create an appropriate sense of Batman as a ninja. It differs from shit like Bourne because it is comprehensible in action terms. He is surrounded by a bunch of goons and keeps moving from where they had just thought he was, where as Bourne films are fighting against the audience understanding what is going on in the slightest.

Everybody always lambasted Nolan's editing in that fight scene, but I thought it was quite effective. It was filmed comprehensibly and then cut to give the audience just a few frames of each encounter before he moves.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Well, I don't like either I am Sam or Taken. I find nothing special about her.

You find NOTHING special about Dakota Fanning?

I've heard people say they don't like her because she doesn't seem like she was ever a kid, she's always been a 30-year old working actress inside a 8-13 year old girl. That her ability to emote at a level nobody her age should be able to emote at is sort of offputting. I've heard those complaints. But I don't think I've ever heard anyone say she's a mediocre actress.

I was actually kind of surprised when Hathaway got the nod as Catwoman. I didn't think she was anywhere near that star quality,

She was, even before she was hired as Selina Kyle, one of the highest profile actresses in Hollywood, with a Best Actress nomination to her credit.

When Christian Bale was tapped to be Batman, he wasn't really that big a star, either. In fact, I'd argue his most famous role was Patrick Bateman, and the only thing that had people considering him an action star in any way was Equilibrium, which wasn't even seen by that many people.

 

[JB1981]

He should have tied all the inmates shirts together to make a longer rope!

Seriously haha. What a terrible complaint. Batman should have Macguyverd his way out the pit

 

[BadAss2961]

This has got to be one of the most polarized movies I've seen in a while. Some people hate this movie so much, but some consider in the best of the trilogy. This thread is kind of not even about Batman anymore.

I think the overall consensus is that this movie is really good right? Right?

It's the best, i'm pretty sure of it. Most rewatchable, most consistently paced, best ended, and most beautifully shot of the trilogy.

Each film improved on the last one.

 

[Dead Man]

Voicing the logical counter-argument doesn't make it any less valid. The editing work for the scene, not against it. It helps to create an appropriate sense of Batman as a ninja. It differs from shit like Bourne because it is comprehensible in action terms. He is surrounded by a bunch of goons and keeps moving from where they had just thought he was, where as Bourne films are fighting against the audience understanding what is going on in the slightest.

Everybody always lambasted Nolan's editing in that fight scene, but I thought it was quite effective. It was filmed comprehensibly and then cut to give the audience just a few frames of each encounter before he moves.

Well this isn't right, I completely agree with you on this one.

 

[Solo]

It's a pity Moretz is such an overrated child actress.

Nope. She's great. Needs a better agent though, as she's doing a lot of shitty movies. But watch Let Me In and tell me she's overrated.

 

[Solo]

Come now, ma'jett. Dakota Fanning was an unbelievable young actress. Try to think of every other role she had as a kid outside of being a scream machine in War of the Worlds.

Her performance in I Am Sam is incredible. Also in Spielberg's TAKEN miniseries.

Elle Fanning is better than Dakota.

 

[Valravn]

Saw the movie again yesterday. Im a bit confused.

Spoiler

Why does Bruce think Bane is the child of Ra's when the old man told him that Ra's wife and child were attacked but the child had a protector named Bane. Im confused

 

[okdakor]

Seriously haha. What a terrible complaint. Batman should have Macguyverd his way out the pit

Did they explain why Batman couldn't do a jump that a little girl succeeded ?

 

[RPGamer92]

Saw the movie again yesterday. Im a bit confused.

Spoiler

Why does Bruce think Bane is the child of Ra's when the old man told him that Ra's wife and child were attacked but the child had a protector named Bane. Im confused

The man didn't tell Bruce the child was Ra's IIRC.

 

[Valravn]

The man didn't tell Bruce the child was Ra's IIRC.

Yeah but Bruce knew the mercenary was Ra's and that his pregnant wife took his place. Or im i missing something here?

 

[AdventureRacing]

Voicing the logical counter-argument doesn't make it any less valid. The editing work for the scene, not against it. It helps to create an appropriate sense of Batman as a ninja. It differs from shit like Bourne because it is comprehensible in action terms. He is surrounded by a bunch of goons and keeps moving from where they had just thought he was, where as Bourne films are fighting against the audience understanding what is going on in the slightest.

Everybody always lambasted Nolan's editing in that fight scene, but I thought it was quite effective. It was filmed comprehensibly and then cut to give the audience just a few frames of each encounter before he moves.

This is pretty much i feel about it and it's why i preferred the fight scenes in begins than TDK or TDKR. He didn't feel like he was a ninja in those other movies more like just brute force

 

[effzee]

Yeah but Bruce knew the mercenary was Ra's and that his pregnant wife took his place. Or im i missing something here?

I'll have to watch it again but I thought the man didn't say the protector was Bane.

 

[neorej]

Saw the movie again yesterday. Im a bit confused.

Spoiler

Why does Bruce think Bane is the child of Ra's when the old man told him that Ra's wife and child were attacked but the child had a protector named Bane. Im confused

The doctor never mentioned Bane, he always refered to the kid as "the child". The world's greatest detective was jumping to conclusions when he should've been jumping for ledges.

 

[effzee]

This has got to be one of the most polarized movies I've seen in a while. Some people hate this movie so much, but some consider in the best of the trilogy. This thread is kind of not even about Batman anymore.

I think the overall consensus is that this movie is really good right? Right?

Yeah outside of gaf its considered really good. But here at gaf everything sucks and film wannabe film critics tell those who like something how wrong they are cause surely art forms like film have no room for subjectivity.

Check the box office and critical reception.

On a completely different subject...

I missed the debate you guys were having on the best villain out of the three movies but someone else said it best. Ra's is one of the better characters out of the whole trilogy, but the best villain to me is Joker and then Bane. And they aren't too far apart.

 

[Valravn]

The man didn't tell Bruce the child was Ra's IIRC.

I'll have to watch it again but I thought the man didn't say the protector was Bane.

Ah, maybe my subconscious mind filled that in.

Prisoner: And she was with the child, with the...the mercenary's child. Innocence cannot flower underground. It has to be stamped out. One day the doctor forgot the lock the cell. But the child had a friend. A protector, who showed the others that this innocence was their redemption, it was to be prized. The mother was not so lucky.

I should listen better.

 

[Dice]

Dakota Fanning is great. Though, the last thing I saw her in was that awful movie Push. She was the only thing good in it.

 

[Chuckie]

Dakota Fanning is great. Though, the last thing I saw her in was that awful movie Push. She was the only thing good in it.

Wasn't she also in that shitty Twilight?

 

[Dice]

Oh yeah, I guess I had blocked out Twilight from my memory. To be fair, she played a total non-character that required nothing of her.

 

[Gouty]

Yeah outside of gaf its considered really good. But here at gaf everything sucks and film wannabe film critics tell those who like something how wrong they are cause surely art forms like film have no room for subjectivity.

A more accurate description of whats happening here would be those who didn't like the movie are offering their complaints for anyone to read and address. Meanwhile pro Batman 3 keeps coming back with variations of suspension of disbelief & haters gonna hate.

 

[Blader]

A more accurate description of whats happening here would be those who didn't like the movie are offering their complaints for anyone to read and address. Meanwhile pro Batman 3 keeps coming back with variations of suspension of disbelief & haters gonna hate.

Or maybe it just gets tiring repeating the same points over and over again. It's why I don't talk about LOST here anymore.

 

[Gouty]

Or maybe it just gets tiring repeating the same points over and over again. It's why I don't talk about LOST here anymore.

Now you're too tired to address the complaints? In a thread dedicated to The Dark Knight Rises. Another solid argument.

 

[Blader]

Now you're too tired to address the complaints? In a thread dedicated to The Dark Knight Rises. Another solid argument.

Movie's been out for 5 months dude. I got tired of talking about the LOST finale a week after it aired.

 

[Gouty]

Movie's been out for 5 months dude. I got tired of talking about the LOST finale a week after it aired.

So why are you here?

 

[TheExecutive]

You are like the 4th person in THIS thread to come in and say they fell asleep like 5 times while watching it. If people think it's bad say it's bad, but the hyperbole is nauseating.

And I am serious. I fell asleep on two separate occassions trying to watch this movie. It's not hyperbole if its true is it? In any case, not impressed lol

 

[TheExecutive]

Or maybe it just gets tiring repeating the same points over and over again. It's why I don't talk about LOST here anymore.

Sorry, but some people just saw the movie and avoided the thread for obvious reasons and they come in here to explain how boring and nauseating the movie is. Can't help if its repeated over and over.

 

[Chuckie]

A more accurate description of whats happening here would be those who didn't like the movie are offering their complaints for anyone to read and address. Meanwhile pro Batman 3 keeps coming back with variations of suspension of disbelief & haters gonna hate.

lol

Sorry, but some people just saw the movie and avoided the thread for obvious reasons and they come in here to explain how boring and nauseating the movie is. Can't help if its repeated over and over.

 

[Talon]

She's a perfectly serviceable actress and an incredibly intelligent young woman, but she is not what everybody has made her out to be. For one, she is downright AWFUL in Hugo.

IZIT A SAYCRAAAET? I LUV SAYCREEATS!

She wasn't that cloying. Just saw Hugo a few nights ago. Strange movie. Not sure how I feel about it.

 

[Blader]

edit - ah, whatever.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Voicing the logical counter-argument doesn't make it any less valid. The editing work for the scene, not against it. It helps to create an appropriate sense of Batman as a ninja. It differs from shit like Bourne because it is comprehensible in action terms. He is surrounded by a bunch of goons and keeps moving from where they had just thought he was, where as Bourne films are fighting against the audience understanding what is going on in the slightest.

Everybody always lambasted Nolan's editing in that fight scene, but I thought it was quite effective. It was filmed comprehensibly and then cut to give the audience just a few frames of each encounter before he moves.

Yeah I thought it was quite effective and never had any problems with it. I don't understand many of the complains with those scenes in BB. I found them better than many in TDKR. I liked the concept of ninja movements.

 

[Dice]

Why does Bruce think Bane is the child of Ra's when the old man told him that Ra's wife and child were attacked but the child had a protector named Bane. Im confused

Did he say it was Bane? I don't remember that, but I do remember wondering why Batman thought Bane was the child who escaped when Bane said himself that he didn't see the light until he was a grown man. BATAMN, LEGENDARY DETECTIVE.

 

[RSLYG]

WHEOREEO'S YORR TRiGGOOORR ..bla bla ORDINARY SSHITTY ZEN !!

Why did he keep using the "bat-voice" ? Bane already know his identity..oh right...voice changer device attached to his mask.

Laughable scene.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

WHEOREEO'S YORR TRiGGOOORR ..bla bla ORDINARY SSHITTY ZEN !!

Why did he keep using the "bat-voice" ? Bane already know his identity..oh right...voice changer device attached to his mask.

Laughable scene.

Fan Service. Everyone loved it when he did it in the interrogation scene.
"WHERE R THEY!!!!"

 

[jett]

WHEOREEO'S YORR TRiGGOOORR ..bla bla ORDINARY SSHITTY ZEN !!

Why did he keep using the "bat-voice" ? Bane already know his identity..oh right...voice changer device attached to his mask.

Laughable scene.

That scene were beyond parody videos on youtubes. It's like they aren't self-ware at all.

 

[DerZuhälter]

Fan Service. Everyone loved it when he did it in the interrogation scene.
"WHERE R THEY!!!!"

SHHHWWEEEEAAAR TO MEEEEEEEE

 

[okdakor]

Bruce should have used the bat-voice for his successful jump... AHAAARARAGH !!

 

[Messypandas]

Y'all forget that in reality he's Batman? Bruce is the disguise

 

[bananas]

SHHHWWEEEEAAAR TO MEEEEEEEE

Why would I want a sweater meat?

 

[RSLYG]

lol sweater meat

 

[Blader]

Yeah I thought it was quite effective and never had any problems with it. I don't understand many of the complains with those scenes in BB. I found them better than many in TDKR. I liked the concept of ninja movements.

It might make sense when he's taking out Falcone's men at the docks, but not for close quarters brawling with Ra's on the train.

 

[effzee]

A more accurate description of whats happening here would be those who didn't like the movie are offering their complaints for anyone to read and address. Meanwhile pro Batman 3 keeps coming back with variations of suspension of disbelief & haters gonna hate.

Those who didn't like the movie have been harping on the same points over and over for almost 6 months now. There is nothing new or factual to address. Nothing I say will make someone like something they don't. What worked for me didn't work for them.

The fact that you or they need to keep telling those who liked the movie that its because we don't enjoy good cinema is truly the obnoxious idiotic things on this forum. Get over yourself. Any and all movies can be picked apart when you start analyzing every single element and scene, especially action movies.

For example I enjoyed Skyfall but I could pick apart the logic and scene by scene mistakes if I really cared to. What it comes down to is that people who enjoyed it can look past the things which people keep harping on. And those same people who didn't like it conveniently ignore similar issues in other movies because they enjoyed the overall product.

You either didn't like it or liked it. What do you want pro Batman 3 to do? Not participate in this thread? And you do realize this is OT#3 for this movie right? And that to get to that a lot of people had to like the movie or else it would have just been the same 5-10 guys? That outside of the usual group of "experts", majority of people liked the movie? That it did really well commercially and critically right? But yeah they must all be part of pro Batman 3 or something.

 

[jett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96dmLNIvrw

I think it's actually worse in the movie. :lol

...wait WTF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5cH1Dh2G0

When Batman says "cover the doors" he says it in his normal voice. Then goes back to GUBLARAHGABLR....hahaha

 

[Blader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J96dmLNIvrw

I think it's actually worse in the movie. :lol

...wait WTF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5cH1Dh2G0

When Batman says "cover the doors" he says it in his normal voice. Then goes back to GUBLARAHGABLR....hahaha

That's the same voice.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Those who didn't like the movie have been harping on the same points over and over for almost 6 months now. There is nothing new or factual to address. Nothing I say will make someone like something they don't. What worked for me didn't work for them.

The fact that you or they need to keep telling those who liked the movie that its because we don't enjoy good cinema is truly the obnoxious idiotic things on this forum. Get over yourself. Any and all movies can be picked apart when you start analyzing every single element and scene, especially action movies.

For example I enjoyed Skyfall but I could pick apart the logic and scene by scene mistakes if I really cared to. What it comes down to is that people who enjoyed it can look past the things which people keep harping on. And those same people who didn't like it conveniently ignore similar issues in other movies because they enjoyed the overall product.

You either didn't like it or liked it. What do you want pro Batman 3 to do? Not participate in this thread? And you do realize this is OT#3 for this movie right? And that to get to that a lot of people had to like the movie or else it would have just been the same 5-10 guys? That outside of the usual group of "experts", majority of people liked the movie? That it did really well commercially and critically right? But yeah they must all be part of pro Batman 3 or something.

Well said.

 

[Gouty]

all movies can be picked apart when you start analyzing every single element and scene, especially action movies.

Apparently in your world varying degrees of quality don't exist. The fact that you can find a flaw in any movie isn't the same as a film that's stuffed with them.

And those same people who didn't like it conveniently ignore similar issues in other movies because they enjoyed the overall product.

This is partially correct. We don't ignore similar flaws in other movies, its just that when the good far exceeds the bad we end up liking the overall film. Batman 3 has more bad than good.

What do you want pro Batman 3 to do?

Defend your position.

And you do realize this is OT#3 for this movie right? And that to get to that a lot of people had to like the movie or else it would have just been the same 5-10 guys? That outside of the usual group of "experts", majority of people liked the movie? That it did really well commercially and critically right?

It's the 3rd OT because its the 3rd entry in an incredibly popular movie franchise and is a particularly divisive entry at that. That's creates drama and discussion.

You've also brought up its commercial success multiple times now as though that has any baring on it's quality. By that rational the Avengers is one of the greatest films in the history of the medium. The Twilight Saga is an artistic masterwork, etc.

 

[Messypandas]

Those who didn't like the movie have been harping on the same points over and over for almost 6 months now. There is nothing new or factual to address. Nothing I say will make someone like something they don't. What worked for me didn't work for them.

The fact that you or they need to keep telling those who liked the movie that its because we don't enjoy good cinema is truly the obnoxious idiotic things on this forum. Get over yourself. Any and all movies can be picked apart when you start analyzing every single element and scene, especially action movies.

For example I enjoyed Skyfall but I could pick apart the logic and scene by scene mistakes if I really cared to. What it comes down to is that people who enjoyed it can look past the things which people keep harping on. And those same people who didn't like it conveniently ignore similar issues in other movies because they enjoyed the overall product.

You either didn't like it or liked it. What do you want pro Batman 3 to do? Not participate in this thread? And you do realize this is OT#3 for this movie right? And that to get to that a lot of people had to like the movie or else it would have just been the same 5-10 guys? That outside of the usual group of "experts", majority of people liked the movie? That it did really well commercially and critically right? But yeah they must all be part of pro Batman 3 or something.

exactly. I had problems with the movie myself, but telling fans they need to stop being fanboys and watch better films is just being a prick

 

[jett]

That's the same voice.

Since you can hear him clearly, it obviously isn't.

 

[Blader]

Since you can hear him clearly, it obviously isn't.

It's got that same gravel though. I think his voice in TDKR was pretty clear for the most part, the "where's the trigger" bit is probably the most ham it gets.

 

[Wilbur]

It's the 3rd OT because its the 3rd entry in an incredibly popular movie franchise and is a particularly divisive entry at that. That's creates drama and discussion.

mmmm

Now I know Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB aren't exactly indicative of the whole world's position on TDKR, but they're far better sources than NeoGAF is.

 

[AgentP]

The man didn't tell Bruce the child was Ra's IIRC.

Why not? Never once did he mention the sex of the child, was he just trying to help along the surprise ending? Not one slip of "she.." in the story? And the "jump", why did Bruce not run and jump, seems like standing and jumping might be the issue if you can't cover the distance.

So many plot holes and strange things in the film, the more I think about it the weirder it is.