But why would he take the time to do such an insignificant thing if Mitchell sees humans as ants once he acquires godly powers?
Also apparently Garth of Izar has that power too. He's an even more obscure TOS villain that is a shapeshifter.
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But why would he take the time to do such an insignificant thing if Mitchell sees humans as ants once he acquires godly powers?
Also apparently Garth of Izar has that power too. He's an even more obscure TOS villain that is a shapeshifter.
Your Best Amigo
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Without the Star at the beginning the title makes me feel like they're Trekking Into Darkness. If you understand what I'm getting at. It's cool if y'all don't haha.
MisterHero
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He's neither and the Talosians discovered how to cast powerful illusions throughout the galaxy D:
Oh I think the Talosians were always capable of that. They made every Federation and Klingon ship in the galaxy unable to fire weapons.
The Technomancer
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Well damn, now I'm even more confused, haha.
Garth is too old. It can't be Garth unless Cumberbach is playing a permanent disguise morph or something, which would be very lame.
Anticitizen One
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You keep saying this but this is a new universe it's not going to adhere to canon from the 60s. The first movie already changed a lot of things like having the enterprise built on earth, blowing up Vulcan, human technology and military advanced a lot quicker as a result of Nero, etc. I don't know why you keep using old canon as a shield they can just say Garth was born later or got trapped in carbonite or something . Jesus Christ
It has to adhere to canon before the divergence point, and Garth's birth far predates that. Herp derp.
I honestly want this to be true so much it hurts :l
I think you assume it'll adhere to a greater degree than it actually will.
Cumberbatch as Picard could actually be pretty interesting.
Indeed I would be pretty shocked if it actually does turn out to be Garth.
He wants revenge. For something.
Bobby Roberts
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No it doesn't. It's an alternate universe we're playing in. Things don't have to be the same in the slightest.
Oh I didn't mean in this movie. I just mean in general.
Don't think this universe will ever get to TNG, though.
You're actually just wrong on this. The whole point of the first movie was that the alternate timeline was caused by Nero's presence in the past.
SCULLIBUNDO
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using part of the best music Trek's ever had should really be taken as indication here
I agree.
Bobby Roberts
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The whole point of the first movie was to not be staid and dusty like the other movies (and shows) were percieved to be.
Tying it into canon was a bone thrown to the diehards who they thought they needed as a safety net. If they'd just hard-rebooted the whole fucking thing a lot of the problems with the narrative would have straight up disappeared.
This is a series that has not only established, but constantly returned to the idea there is a parallel, inverted universe where everything good is bad, denoted by belly shirts and goatees. The idea that this sideways universe we're currently watching has to line up perfectly with the "canon" (such as it is) from the previous films/television series seems speculative at best.
If the writers need to change details to make things interesting, they're going to. They have that freedom. I'd hope they don't tie themselves to the canon of a television series for the sake of appeasing the .001% of fans (who they can reliably count on for at least one ticket and a DVD sale anyway) who would notice/remember/care enough to note any potential discrepancy.
A discrepancy that can be handwaved away in less than a second with "It's an alternate universe."
...but that still happened, no matter what you want to call it. It's the same timeline before the split unless they say otherwise, which is not what they've said so far.
Ehh while I'm mostly on your side here, I wouldn't go that far. Most of the most egregiously bad plot points had nothing to do with the universe-bending.
I think it will be The Search For Spock. With a 10 minute intro before the death scene, and some random Vulcan pissed at Star fleet for the Nero thing is the antagonist who got the Genesis machine and fucked with it somehow.
PAY ME.
Bobby Roberts
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They haven't said anything one way or the other, so far as I can tell, aside from saying "It's an alternate universe, it's not like we're negating all the shit you love." So you will assume its rock solid, unfuckwithable. I will assume its fluid, and they will shift what they need for the purposes of storytelling should that be an option.
But they're both assumptions, not incontrovertible fact.
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I dunno, I'm betting if the villain didn't have to punch a hole through time, they wouldn't have had to contrive a 25 year "Lets sit and wait for Old Spock to fall into our lap" thing. Nor would you have to contrive Kirk meeting with Old Spock.
They haven't said anything one way or the other, so far as I can tell, aside from saying "It's an alternate universe, it's not like we're negating all the shit you love." So you will assume its rock solid, unfuckwithable. I will assume its fluid, and they will shift what they need for the purposes of storytelling should that be an option.
But they're both assumptions, not incontrovertible fact.
I dunno, I'm betting if the villain didn't have to punch a hole through time, they wouldn't have had to contrive a 25 year "Lets sit and wait for Old Spock to fall into our lap" thing. Nor would you have to contrive Kirk meeting with Old Spock.
They've said that it's the same timeline up until Nero appears in the past. They later made it StarTrek 'cannon' that timelines simply diverge with time travel (meaning that the rest of the Universe just continued on when Spock/Nero disapeared in the future. This is so it would not alter everything else but simply create a new alternate reality/timeline in the past.
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Roberto Orci: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.
TrekMovie.com: So, for example, Kirk is different, because his back story has totally changed, in that his parents…and all that. But you are saying that maybe Scotty or Spock’s back story would not be affected by that change?
Roberto Orci: Right.
Anthony: Does the time travel explain why the Enterprise looks different and why it is being built in Riverside Iowa?
TrekMovie.com: Yes, and yes.
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JJ: The notion that when this one character arrived – Nero – that basically the timeline is altered at that moment. So everything forward is essentially an alternative timeline. That is not to say that everything that happened in the original series doesn’t exist. I think as a fan the movies and shows, if someone told me that as a beloved thing for me was gone, I would be upset. But we didn’t do that. We are not saying that what happened in that original series wasn’t good, true, valid, righteous and real. We are not rejecting that. That to me would have been a big mistake. We are simply saying that from this moment in the opening scene of the movie, that everything people knew of Star Trek splits off into another timeline.
http://trekmovie.com/2011/12/22/jj-...ect-plus-talks-alternative-v-prime-timelines/
Bobby Roberts
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Cool, thanks for the link! I'm still reading more of a "Okay nerds, calm down, it's not a REBOOT reboot! We still love you. All that other shit still happened, we're in an alternate universe now" but they're definitely making a point of clarifying that they consider everything the same up until Nero drops in.
Apologies for being wrong in public, once again
The in-universe explanation is that Nero's appearance changed the entire nature of Starfleet from being focused on exploration to being focused on defense against potentially overwhelming foes (unlike the technologically contemporary Klingons). Keep in mind Nero's appearance is actually like 20 years before the event of the movie. A lot about how Starfleet operates would change.
Escape Goat
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Butterfly effect. Think of all the meetings that had to occur for your great grandparents to meet, fall in love and have children. Countless variables, some significant and some trivial. And for your parents to grow up and experience events (or maybe not experience) that will ultimately result in your birth.
USS Kelvin's tech & design says no.
? The Kelvin's design and tech aren't period-inappropriate in any way I remember. We never saw its class in TOS, but we never saw any federation class other than Constitution in TOS. The Enterprise is larger and more powerful, but that's post-split.
Non-spoiler description of the 9 minute preview:
http://collider.com/star-trek-2-into-darkness-imax-prologue-recap-review/216760/
Again, not really spoilery but I put it in black just to be safe.
"The first nine minutes has a Raiders of the Lost Ark feel to it (youll understand why soon) and we do get to see a bit more of Benedict Cumberbatch as the films villain. However, the majority of the footage features the entire cast (Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Anton Yelchin, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, and Simon Pegg) having to deal with a very stressful situation thats clearly setting up a larger portion of the story. Also, you get to see more of future Earth, another planet, and a few other surprises. Trust me, if you loved Abrams first Star Trek, youre going to be extremely happy watching this footage."
Again, not really spoilery but I put it in black just to be safe.
Sickboy007
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Alright I'm going spoiler-free from now on. I'm very excited about this.
Anticitizen One
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I just hope the movie does whatever it wants and doesn't strictly adhere to trek continuity. if there is anything I love more than a Star Wars-esque Star Trek its watching Trekkies squeal.
I'm fine with them doing whatever they want as long as the story makes somewhat sense and isn't riddled with plotholes large enough to fly a Constitution class starship through. I went back and watched '09 Thursday night. It's an enjoyable science-fiction action film, but a terrible Trek film riddled with some of the worst contrivances I've ever seen. At least throw in a forgettable line about how the timeline is trying to correct itself by bringing everyone back together. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but is at least better than Kirk randomly finding Spock on a giant fucking planet and then randomly finding Scottie on that same planet and then getting made captain before he even graduates Starfleet Academy.
New official image. Very slightly spoilery i guess. But i'd be surprised, if it's not featured in the full length trailer out on friday.
http://www.abload.de/img/star-trek-2-into-dark1ik3o.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/star-trek-2-into-dark1ik3o.jpg
I imagine this is where that Japanese trailer final scene comes from.
Thought the same thing too. I knew that clip was definitely out of context and not what people were expecting.
Abrams be trollin'
Escape Goat
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why is kirk wearing skinny jeans? Hipsters survive into the 23rd century?
what's with kirk's hair?
My guess is that the pic is from the prologue and it is set some amount of time before the rest of the film.
The Elite
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Cumberbatch looks like Keanu Reeves.
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Any chance of them putting the 9 minutes online? I have no interest in seeing The Hobbit lol
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