Giant Bomb Thread The Third: #TeamBrad

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Blargh, I still can't load videos on their site, they go a little bit and then they just stop.

Also if I have to watch that Contre Jour commercial one more time I might have to find something sharp to cut myself on.
 
ME3/Envelope spoiler:
"Shepard is the Catalyst"

I don't think that is as close as they are suggesting. Since there wasn't anything special about Shepard besides being the guy that ended up there. Right?

Or maybe I blocked all details of that shit out.
 
netBuff said:
Was this recently or still at Whiskey Media (Whiskey support worked quite well and efficiently)? Did you mail their support form (never got any response while at CBSi from that)?

I love that GiantBomb's support site still lists their Whiskey Media address - really shows how serious they are about solving issues: support@whiskeymedia.com
https://auth.giantbomb.com/support/?from_site=giant-bomb
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It was in September & I received a reply from support@Giantbomb.com(I can't find the mail I sent, so I guess I must have used a web form to make my enquiry).
 
ultron87 said:
ME3/Envelope spoiler:
"Shepard is the Catalyst"

I don't think that is as close as they are suggesting. Since there wasn't anything special about Shepard besides being the guy that ended up there. Right?

Or maybe I blocked all details of that shit out.
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I haven't played since it released but I thought
the kid said Shepard was special since they were part synthetic which was the reason why the Synthetic ending would work.
 
Oh crap, I'm scared by the time bombcast recording time rolls around Brad will be sick of ME3. Stop talking Brad! Bottle it all up and vomit it all out on the bombcast in a rainbow colored cornucopia of opinions!
 
Jeff spitting truth about the Indoctrination Theory crackpots.



Now I'm wondering if Brad has read that Chris L'Etoile post about what the ending and the final choice was planned to be as of Mass Effect 2's release.
 
Massa said:
Speaking of that, is it true that Indoctrination was at one point the planned story for Mass Effect 3? It seems there are left overs from that in the game.
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No. There was a gameplay sequence vaguely planned for a specific section of the game where it would have made sense. It was not the planned ending at all.

shadyspace said:
I just read the ending on Wikipedia. Doesn't sound especially bad. I actually like the idea for the fourth ending they added in post release.
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Considering that they practically took that fourth ending from people on message boards saying that they wanted that exact scenario, yeah.
 
Good on Patrick for calling Brad's prediction. Well, and everyone, I guess.


Game of the year stuff this week. Goodness, is it really already that late in the year? Man.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Jeff spitting truth about the Indoctrination Theory crackpots.



Now I'm wondering if Brad has read that Chris L'Etoile post about what the ending and the final choice was planned to be as of Mass Effect 2's release.
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I have, yes. I've read everything.

Everything.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
You know how planes leave those white trails of condensed water vapor in the sky when they fly over?


WHAT IF THEY WERE MIND CONTROL STERILITY CHEMICALS FROM THE ILLUMINATI
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how long does the critical path of ME3 take? i've played 1 and 2, but i lost total interest for 3 before it came out. but i kind of want to finish it before 2012 closes.
 
John Rabbit said:
how long does the critical path of ME3 take? i've played 1 and 2, but i lost total interest for 3 before it came out. but i kind of want to finish it before 2012 closes.
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I want to say like 10-12 hours, but the main issue with doing the critical path is that side quest effect the outcome of main story quests. If your sole interest is finding out what the deal with the ending is you'll be fine doing just the critical path.
 
The thing with the Indoctrination Theory is that it was giving WAAAAAY too much credit to BioWare's writing to do something like that.
If they in any way intended that Shepard was indoctrinated at the end, then they would have revealed the "Shepard is indoctrinated!" twist within the game itself and then given you some actual ending.
There was no way BioWare made the original ending they did and then seriously had Indoctrination Theory in mind with any of it. That was just the result of people in denial over how shitty the original ending was.
 
Jibbajabbawockky said:
The thing with the Indoctrination Theory is that it was giving WAAAAAY too much credit to BioWare's writing to do something like that.
If they in any way intended that Shepard was indoctrinated at the end, then they would have revealed the "Shepard is indoctrinated!" twist within the game itself and then given you some actual ending.
There was no way BioWare made the original ending they did and then seriously had Indoctrination Theory in mind with any of it. That was just the result of people in denial over how shitty the original ending was.
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Keep in mind, the even crazier people were saying that the Extended Cut was going to prove the Indoctrination Theory, because it was going to be the real ending that Bioware purposely left out in order to fuck with its fans.
 
Patryn said:
Keep in mind, the even crazier people were saying that the Extended Cut was going to prove the Indoctrination Theory, because it was going to be the real ending that Bioware purposely left out in order to fuck with its fans.
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Oh, I know. I got a kick out of reading the meltdowns on the BioWare forums from the Indoctrination Theory people really grasping at straws once the Extended Cut came out. That was just some sad, sad stuff.
 
When that Last Hours of ME3 app came out and included the infamous Ending Notes, the reaction was around 60% "Oh, so it was just vague and meaningless on purpose," and 40% "Wait, but there's no mention of indoctrination!?"
 
Patryn said:
Keep in mind, the even crazier people were saying that the Extended Cut was going to prove the Indoctrination Theory, because it was going to be the real ending that Bioware purposely left out in order to fuck with its fans.
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Indoctrination theory = best theory (I did want to believe - but only for a short while :/)
 
shadyspace said:
I just read the ending on Wikipedia. Doesn't sound especially bad. I actually like the idea for the fourth ending they added in post release.
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Have you played the previous games in the series? A lot of what makes it bad is
how it disregards a lot of the rules they established, it reveals nonsensical motives for characters that do not jive at all with earlier interactions, the fact that it introduces huge universe changing concepts in the last 10 min of the final game of a trilogy, its tone, which is nothing like the rest of the series and it creates probably a dozen significant plot holes.
Also, at least in its original form, it was executed in probably the laziest way possible.

netBuff said:
Indoctrination theory = best theory (I did want to believe - but only for a short time :/)
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It is so crazy that people would rather, basically have no real ending to a 100 hour RPG trilogy than the one they gave us. Indoctrination is only better because it doesn't retroactive ruin previous games.
 
Felix Lighter said:
Have you played the previous games in the series? A lot of what makes it bad is
how it disregards a lot of the rules they established, nonsensical motives for characters that does not jive at all with earlier interactions, the fact that it introduces huge universe changing concepts in the last 10 min of the final game of a trilogy, its tone, which is nothing like the rest of the series and creates probably a dozen significant plot holes.
Also, at least in its original form, it was executed in probably the laziest way possible.



It is so crazy that people would rather, basically have no real ending to a 100 hour RPG trilogy than the one they gave us. Indoctrination is only better because it doesn't retroactive ruin previous games.
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Yeah I was a huge fan of the first two. Got really into the lore. I played about 2 hours of me3, got busy, the ending reaction hit and totally killed my motivation to pick it back up.
 
shadyspace said:
Yeah I was a huge fan of the first two. Got really into the lore. I played about 2 hours of me3, got busy, the ending reaction hit and totally killed my motivation to pick it back up.
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Fair enough, while I believe there are several undeniable problems with the ending, I accept that others liked it. It didn't introduce the only plot holes in the series and I was willing to look past those. I, guess for me personally, it went light years beyond how far I was willing to suspend my disbelief based on what they established in previous games.
 
I honestly think that the indoctrination theory only came about because fans literally couldn't accept that Bioware would write an ending that terrible on purpose and tried to figure out a way that it wasn't awful.
 
PsychoSoldier said:
I honestly think that the indoctrination theory only came about because fans literally couldn't accept that Bioware would write an ending that terrible on purpose and tried to figure out a way that it wasn't awful.
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That was definitely it. For quite a lot of Bioware fans, the company before that point was fairly infallible. They couldn't accept that BIOWARE, who could do no wrong, could fuck up on that massive of a level.

I'm still stunned that Bioware didn't figure out the ending first when making ME3, and then developed backwards. I think the ME3 reaction showed that if you don't stick the landing (or at least not fall flat on your face), it won't really matter what came before.
 
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