IrrelevantNotch
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See, I could totally accept that as an answer, but there are people who think floating the idea of letting children drown equals a concerned parent, which is beyond my understanding.
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See, I could totally accept that as an answer, but there are people who think floating the idea of letting children drown equals a concerned parent, which is beyond my understanding.
krypt0nian
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Apparently you don't want to read the fucking explanations.
Pa Kent was just positing that perhaps he shouldn't mess with "God's plans" and let the natural course of the world happen as it would. That maybe his power is like playing God. You know like a god fearing Kansas farmer with any depth might?
Do you not understand the concept of self-preservation? Or the love a parent has for their child?
Being a concerned parent doesn't always align with the morally right choice.
As for the trailer, I don't know what to say, it was alright but we all know trailers can be deceptive. It hit all the notes I thought it would hit. I kind of wish they had picked Viggo Mortensen to be Zod, I don't recognize this guy but he looks sort of of strange. As long as the film is good or even decent I will be happy. My heart can't take another Superman disaster.
Or ignorance. But I think the line is fine.
MisterHero
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Jonathan Kent doesn't want Clark to be taken away and have crap like this happen
No everything has to be like Avengers!
Also we don't even know if the "maybe" scene plays out the way its cut in the trailer. Nowadays there almost 2-3 scenes shown in the trailer which don't show up in the final cut. Can we at least for the context and actual cut of the conversation?
If anything its just included in the trailer to fit the narrative the trailer is going. The conflicted confused boy becoming Superman.
krypt0nian
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That scene struck me with it's apparent depth, and was moving. Then I come here and it's "durrr why is Pa Kent such a monster?"
IrrelevantNotch
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A god fearing Kansas farmer who wants children to drown for God's happiness wouldn't raise a demigod alien without thinking he's the antichrist. You guys can do all the mental gymnastics you want, but in no sense are this man's words in any way aligned with that of a good person.
So you agree he's a cunt? Good, we're in agreement then.
Good Job Bob
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Maybe he thought you were on the bus?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Apparently mentally walking in a straight line from A to B is mental gymnastics now.
krypt0nian
Banned
No mental gymnastics required. It's the logical impression give decades of reading the characters, which is why it occurred to me immediately.
Continue being dumb, I guess.
He's not a completely good person. He has good intentions, but he doesn't know how to go about them. I'm pretty sure that's the point.
I can see the argument for thinking that, the line flies in the face of everything Superman is supposed to be about. Of course, that looks to be the point this time around.
Unrelated, I assume I'm not the first in being disappointed this is another origin story and another retelling of an existing movie?
krypt0nian
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One, he wasn't Superman yet. He was like 13.
Two, it's a complex issue, and one that perhaps Pa Kent is coming to terms with.
Damn.
There are a lot of parents who would tell their kids not to get involved in any sort of danger no matter what they could do to help. Also we don't know what his Superman development was up till that point. The Dad doesn't know his kid is Superman, he knows that his kid has strange powers.
Yeah, agreed on both.
Indeed, and that's what made that clip great and points to a potentially great movie. Characters with conflict rather than a one-dimensional view of the world.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Shiiiiit, I remember that. Thomas Wayne-Batman was boss.Jonathan Kent doesn't want Clark to be taken away and have crap like this happen
What always bugged me about Superman was that no one saw through the disguise. It drives me bonkers.
But to be honest, I'm looking forward to yhis seemingly serious interpretation of Superman. I think the visuals in the trailer look gorgeous.
krypt0nian
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This fits right in line with what Pa Kent is supposed to pass on IMO. I'm guessing some cannot see past the black and white of it. Pa's a wise man.
We're definitely seeing a different type of film here. I cannot be more pleased.
SolarPowered
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The visuals look promising. The music leaves much to be desired compared to John William's Ottman's work on Superman Returns. Gonna rewatch cuz that was good stuff.
IrrelevantNotch
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First it's "Pa Kent would never suggest letting those children drown" then it becomes "well, yea, but he was only suggesting those children should drown because god wanted it that way". Whatever the case, he's still a douche.
krypt0nian
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Rao, you're dense.
they rather be on gaf.
This right here, is the best burn of the week on GAF.
Charles Foster Kane
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Yeah, I'm over the maybe thing. I like it.
PhoncipleBone
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Nope. There is a variety of kryptonite that gets him high though.
What issue or story is this from? I was not aware of the Pot Kryptonite.
Welcome to sanity.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Hey so, I just found you
And this is crazy
Should you have saved those kids?
I dunno, maybe.
I'll be here all week ladies and germs.
Take my wife, please.
And this is crazy
Should you have saved those kids?
I dunno, maybe.
I'll be here all week ladies and germs.
Take my wife, please.
I'd say the same but for different reasons. What if the gov't got wind of what this kid could do? Then they capture him somehow, run tests on him, maybe turn him into some sort of military weapon and the US becomes an unstoppable super power. Or they create more of him and develop some super army. Then other countries discover how to do the very same.
All of that for a bunch of snot nosed kids? I'm sorry but not. Let em' drown.
krypt0nian
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Well, I believe this discussion started over whether or not realism in a comic book movie is a good thing:
So the point doesn't seem to be whether the father is good or not, but whether you like the realistic approach to the franchise or not.
I personally think it's great for Superman, since human conflict and vulnerability seem to be the best way of telling a compelling story with a nearly invincible character nowadays.
i can't stop laughing. lol
TheKaeptain
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Only good movies.
IrrelevantNotch
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If there's one thing religious farmers in Kansas fear most, its the US becoming a military superpower
MisterHero
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Seems kind of boring. You don't like any bad movies?
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I do If they're good bad, not bad bad.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I like TDKR.
Too easy. 3/10
How long has this conversation been going on now? I think Papa Kent's predicament is quite easy to understand. At its core it boils down to "should Clark Kent be super?" Even as a child he has these abilities that can literally save lives but at the risk of exposing himself to the world, being cast out, hunted, and locked up. As a father who loves his child where is the line between protecting his own child and recognizing that his son has the ability to do tremendous good?
krypt0nian
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It's basically come down to those who can read scenes on different levels, and those that bark at snowflakes.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's also a case of Jonathan being in the process of teaching Clark who he ought to be and what he has a responsibility to. If he agrees that Clark ought to have saved those lives and averted that disaster, then why not every life and every disaster? He's not just looking out for Clark's future in terms of being exposed, but in terms of trying to come to terms with whether he wants to guide Clark towards a happy life for himself or a life dedicated entirely to others.
Really? There are arguments over this trailer, nevermind the "maybe" line?
You could ostensibly accuse this trailer of being too cheesy or pompous, in which case it's an opinion call, no more no less. Final product might suck like Returns? Completely reasonable concern. However, the idea that the Superman mythos should always be represented as a whiz-bang action flick or that Daddy Kent is somehow immoral for agonizing over the possibility that people may need to not be saved to protect Clark's identity is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Are people somehow not aware of the fact that Superman, beyond all of his powers and colorful comic history, is at its heart a representation of the American, and arguably the human, zeitgeist? And that it's been used as a representation of everything from the aspiration of mankind to the journey of immigrants to quintessential strength of American power/individuality? How in the world is making the film like another Avengers doing justice to what is arguably THE archetypical superhero? And how the hell do you not see the humanity in a simple farmer agonizing over the responsibility to teach and protect what is the most incredible singular source power the world has ever known, taken shape as his own son, even at the potential risk of others' lives?
Goddamn people, I swear some of you do not bother to look one inch deeper past the surface.
You could ostensibly accuse this trailer of being too cheesy or pompous, in which case it's an opinion call, no more no less. Final product might suck like Returns? Completely reasonable concern. However, the idea that the Superman mythos should always be represented as a whiz-bang action flick or that Daddy Kent is somehow immoral for agonizing over the possibility that people may need to not be saved to protect Clark's identity is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Are people somehow not aware of the fact that Superman, beyond all of his powers and colorful comic history, is at its heart a representation of the American, and arguably the human, zeitgeist? And that it's been used as a representation of everything from the aspiration of mankind to the journey of immigrants to quintessential strength of American power/individuality? How in the world is making the film like another Avengers doing justice to what is arguably THE archetypical superhero? And how the hell do you not see the humanity in a simple farmer agonizing over the responsibility to teach and protect what is the most incredible singular source power the world has ever known, taken shape as his own son, even at the potential risk of others' lives?
Goddamn people, I swear some of you do not bother to look one inch deeper past the surface.
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