Short-term, probably not.
But it might be the first step towards edging away from the gun culture here. Maybe one day things can be different.
Would increased gun regulation have prevented Connecticut?
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But it might be the first step towards edging away from the gun culture here. Maybe one day things can be different.
Ken Masters
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that shooting in Scotland was a shock in that country, in the US it's now becoming the norm
Indeed. The debate is over.
Everybody talks after something happens, never before. It is something that should be constantly talked about, not in times when kneejerk opinions prevail.
Ravensmash
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Remember that this did lead to a ban on handguns though, and school shootings/spree shootings here are extremely rare thankfully.
I think regulations do need to be looked at, the past 12 months has proven that America has a gun control problem - mass shootings, sprees all a common occurrence.
Some people say that "it's a cultural difference too", but that needs to be looked at as well - why is there a cultural difference that drives people to shoot innocents on a much larger scale than other countries? Why do civilians have such a reliance on lethal weapons? What can be done to address that?
Yes, people will always be able to get a gun if they so desire - but there can be absolutely no denial that widespread availability facilitates tragic incidents like this. I hear people say that often illegal firearms are used, by isn't that often just guns bought over from a different state? How is that effective regulation if people can skirt round it so easily?
As a foreigner who has never been to the states, views like that bewilder me.
Is it really that hard to comprehend that when guns can be legally obtained and carried that such mass murders will inevitably occur?
It's like clockwork now, every couple of months.
Messypandas
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For comparison there been 89 school shootings in America since this occurred.
Jeff Albertson
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Don't get me wrong I think there is something inherently wrong with the US gun laws but we can't say 100% that this would have been avoided although its pretty certain that many of these cases would be
If this was the case, wouldn't there be a long history of such mass shootings throughout the history of the U.S.? Seems to be a more recent trend rather than something that stretches back 100+ years.
Air Zombie Meat
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I don't know the answers to this question but it bothers me that there are a large number of people that are so entrenched in their positions they've already made their mind up and don't even want to consider any changes, no matter how minor. Considering that and the wealthy pro gun lobby I'm not sure it will ever change.
Oh and "not the time to talk about it" is an incredibly transparent debating tactic straight from the NRA. If people had real faith in their positions they'd be able to talk about it at any time.
Oh and "not the time to talk about it" is an incredibly transparent debating tactic straight from the NRA. If people had real faith in their positions they'd be able to talk about it at any time.
Deified Data
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Agreed.
helloresolven
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Too many guns already available. Could gun control even impact the already existing supply of guns?
Who was the shooter? It is nice to say mentally-unstable / criminals can't access guns, but criminals have to commit a first crime... or maybe there was no reason to believe the shooter was unstable.
Who was the shooter? It is nice to say mentally-unstable / criminals can't access guns, but criminals have to commit a first crime... or maybe there was no reason to believe the shooter was unstable.
EmCeeGramr
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It didn't stop Breivik....
Unless this was the last shooting ever, this is about as early as it gets.
Ravensmash
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Yeah, it's way too early to point the finger at regulation in regards to this case but I was talking in a more general sense also.
These events are sadly way too common in the USA nowadays.
It just seems like the anti-gun control people are so stuck in their opinions that there'll never ever be a sensible debate, unfortunately.
Ravensmash
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And how rare are events like Breivik, not only in Norway but worldwide?
The point is that these spree shootings are nowhere near as common in countries where stricter gun control is enforced.
The thing of it is, that it seems to me that mass-shootings are no longer "incidents."
And as much as it probably sucks for you to have less rights, think about this. If the majority of your country didn't have guns legally, would you really need to own one yourself? Or at least own one and have it in your house at all times?
Sure, there will still be guns, but encountering one would be very unlikely, unless your surrounded by criminals/gangsters.
One a scale of one to ten, if guns were banned and it prevented just one of these shootings in the process, how much do you really need to be able to own a gun yourself?
Have guns in controlled enviroments for people that want to shoot at targets or hunt in the forest and keep it there. There's no need for anyone to have a Glock in their vault at home.
And as much as it probably sucks for you to have less rights, think about this. If the majority of your country didn't have guns legally, would you really need to own one yourself? Or at least own one and have it in your house at all times?
Sure, there will still be guns, but encountering one would be very unlikely, unless your surrounded by criminals/gangsters.
One a scale of one to ten, if guns were banned and it prevented just one of these shootings in the process, how much do you really need to be able to own a gun yourself?
Have guns in controlled enviroments for people that want to shoot at targets or hunt in the forest and keep it there. There's no need for anyone to have a Glock in their vault at home.
Yep, plus some of them are complete nutjobs who have a whole stockpile of semi-automatic/automatic weaponry and would shoot any police who try to take them away.
Dude Abides
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Maybe, but the genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back in. There's little reason to expect this not to keep happening.
ErasureAcer
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USA averages 30,000 Gun deaths a year? So like 75 people every day thanks to guns. The USA does shit their own way rather than following the example of other nations with less violence. This shooting won't have any impact on gun laws. Gun owners will put their individual rights ahead of the lives of others.
I'm wondering if he misread the dates, because the "but" implies the example he provided is one that occurred despite strict gun control laws.
The problem is that we can never hear of the people that it actually did stop.
Alligatorjandro
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Nothing will ever change.Americans care more for their guns than anything else.
Leona Lewis
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Do draconian anti-drug measures prevent the sale and use of illegal drugs?
Escape Goat
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Annual? I think we've had several mass shootings this year.
metalslimer
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Yep, the let's not talk about it until after wounds heal makes me fucking sick at this point. People still haven't healed from Aurora for goodness sake. This debate needs to continue and keep happening and shouldn't be pushed under the rug.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Kreider is so damn good some times.
Yep, I think we as a nation should be done not talking about how fucking stupid our lax gun laws are. If we wait for a mourning period after every tragedy before we talk, then we'll always just be mourning.
I think so. Again, I don't have all the facts with what's happened in CT, but it is far too easy to suit yourself up with a whole cache of weapons. The dude who shot up TDKR screening got all his stuff from the internet. It amazed me how cheaply and easily he was able to outfit himself. I get having a gun to protect yourself, but do people really need access to automatic machine guns and uzis, et al? It's getting ridiculous. We have a couple of these shootings a month now. There has to be an honest conversation about gun control in this country.
DR2K
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Yes, a lot of them.
Deified Data
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In some cases, yes.
Translate that to some massacres being avoided and the impact is pretty substantial.
Comparing apples with roasters.
Kiraly
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Holy shit
Its a bit harder to hide gun use than it is to hide drug use.
ClassyPenguin
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In many states there are more requirements to own and operate a car than having your own personal arsenal.
That should tell you everything.
That should tell you everything.
Leona Lewis
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Yeah, but the type of person who can shoot and kill little kids won't be deterred by laws. If he's that determined, he'll procure what he needs at all costs.
Can't we start by stopping the manufacturing of guns? I know jobs and blah, blah but as I recall aren't a huge amount of all guns legal and illegal manufactured in the US? Or simply the sale. Still technically second amendment kosher since you can keep them but gun making is pretty high precision, I don't think southern drug lords are really going to start up their own foundries for black market cash and it'd be hard to hide them. Also unlike drugs which can be addictive and social making people spend fortunes on the stuff I think keeping guns highly priced will reduce the amount people have in general.
What, you mean you can't just buy an AK-47 from the dude standing in the Sunoco parking lot that drives an El Camino?
People's determination might be 'detered' if this stuff was much harder to acheive.
Ravensmash
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But it could help prevent someone suddenly flipping and reaching for that easily accessible handgun couldn't it?
If it's an inevitability, then why not do everything within our power to try and stop him from doing it? We cannot just assume that he will wind up with a gun either way, we have law enforcement, we have tracking systems.
Lets not just throw up our hands in impotent rage, lets fucking do something.
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