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This is what bothers me the most. People who support complete de-regulation of firearms would be outraged if we suggested the same about automobiles. No one wants to drive on the same road as a bunch of unlicensed drivers.
Would increased gun regulation have prevented Connecticut?
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This is what bothers me the most. People who support complete de-regulation of firearms would be outraged if we suggested the same about automobiles. No one wants to drive on the same road as a bunch of unlicensed drivers.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Who knows.
I am a strong supporter of gun control, but I also am a supporter of the const.
I think yearly psych evaluations should become common place for gun owners.
Psych evaluations for new gun owners.
No more being able to buy guns at gun shows without background checks and stuff.
There will always be these kind of tragedies sadly, but if one can be stopped because of a bit more stringent gun control. I think it is worth it
I am a strong supporter of gun control, but I also am a supporter of the const.
I think yearly psych evaluations should become common place for gun owners.
Psych evaluations for new gun owners.
No more being able to buy guns at gun shows without background checks and stuff.
There will always be these kind of tragedies sadly, but if one can be stopped because of a bit more stringent gun control. I think it is worth it
Willkiller
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Just straight up ban the fucking things.
Jim E. Rossler
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They dont
There has to be knowledge about what guns even ARE and what they DO before you can have a discussion
The liberals who think dudes are walking around with Uzi's and MG's are no better than the conservatives who think the body has way's of 'shutting down if it's rape'
Prevented? No, the stuff that happened in China today/yesterday happened without a gun. And IIRC the mass killing in Norway happened in a country with pretty strict gun control laws.
Mitigated by a huge amount? Yes, obviously nobody can deny the pure killing power of a gun/s is way superior than a kinfe.
Mitigated by a huge amount? Yes, obviously nobody can deny the pure killing power of a gun/s is way superior than a kinfe.
I have to agree. I'm from Finland and our gun laws are class Fort Knox here. Still we have had our share of school shootings.
No, fuck this. Fuck guns. More guns will just mean more dead kids.
SunhiLegend
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People will still find a way to buy guns but you surely won't have nearly the same amount of gun related crime if they were banned.
Give them to elementary school kids. Make our children safer.
IpsoFacto
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Sadly, it does not. It is actually easier to find weapons in the black market. No ID required, no background check, no 10-day waiting period.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
tycoonheart
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People already saying "if teachers had guns and were trained lives would've been saved."
WTF.
WTF.
we'll get there eventually. enough kids will die.
Deified Data
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Yeah, and then they get overworked and one of their kids in their classes teases them and sets them off.
wtf indeed.
Most weapons used by the Mexican Narco come from America.
ErasureAcer
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You can buy guns off Craigslist with no background check. People can fake psych evals and having met many shrinks...they're not very bright.
This country has a warped view of justice to begin with that seeps into the population...that's the main problem IMO.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Probability zero. I doubt there will be even a serious attempt to get anything done. Congress is deadlocked and by the time its not, the debate about it won't be particularly vigorous.
Alligatorjandro
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Im at the point where if guns were banned I wouldnt care.
Tallshortman
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That will never happen, people need knives and other potential deadly weapons for a variety of reasons such as work and cooking. Let's focus on guns and not be overreacting fools.
Choke on the Magic
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Herp Derp ban guns derp.
Post something a bit better. At this point I'd be willing to go through a psych background check for my purchases if it prevents shit like this in the future.
why will the debate die down? this shit is happening continuously.
Stricter laws and bans would help, but it's only one part of any solution.
And really, fuck that argument about "oh, they'll still find a way", that's not a defense of anything. That's stupid, lazy, and doesn't counter-act the argument that guns should be really fucking hard to possess, even legally.
And really, fuck that argument about "oh, they'll still find a way", that's not a defense of anything. That's stupid, lazy, and doesn't counter-act the argument that guns should be really fucking hard to possess, even legally.
Air Zombie Meat
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Does everyone have black market contacts? I'm not from the US and I've have no idea where to even start if I wanted to get my hands on a gun. I appreciate that it's probably easier over there though.
This right here.
metalslimer
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Democrats have lost the willpower to do anything meaningful on gun control because anything even neutral that is done is looked at as taking away people's precious guns. But honestly while I don't know if stricter gun laws would solve things, we have got to stop going towards looser and looser gun laws.
IHaveCandy
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You cannot legislate psychos who don't care about their own lives. It doesn't matter what you do. If this man couldn't buy a gun, legally or illegally, the same harm could be done with a hunting knife. Do not allow the uncontrollable insane people dictate laws. Legal gun owners use their gun responsibly 99% of the time. Removing hat simply leaves you with the illegal gun owners who use guns for illegal purposes far more often.
Ravensmash
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I completely agree with the psychological evaluations, or getting a better handle on mental health on the whole.
How many times do we hear about the shooter causing concern in the weeks/months prior to the tragedy?
How many times do we hear about the shooter causing concern in the weeks/months prior to the tragedy?
What do you mean by "fuck guns"? I feel terribly sad for murdered children as well, but such statement doesn't make any sense, why revoke the right to self-defense?
We have one of the strictest gun regulations in the world here in Brazil, but go ahead and take a look at our crime statistics.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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You have to be insane to be against increased gun regulation that involves psychological checks and background checks, and that makes it harder to illegally purchase firearms. There should be very strict control on sales of weapons and who they are sold to. There needs to be more legislation targeted at straw purchasers as well.
That said, nonsensical things that Piers Morgan like to go on about, such as magazine size and assault weapons bans are really worthless. The < 5 second difference it takes to change a magazine in a modern firearm isn't really going to hamper the effectiveness of someone who wants to create this kind of carnage, and guns are no less deadly when they aren't "assault weapons". The smarter way to legislate this sort of stuff is to make penalties stiffer when such items are used in the perpetration of a violent crime, like they do with hollow points (which are safer to use for home defense than regular bullets).
That said, nonsensical things that Piers Morgan like to go on about, such as magazine size and assault weapons bans are really worthless. The < 5 second difference it takes to change a magazine in a modern firearm isn't really going to hamper the effectiveness of someone who wants to create this kind of carnage, and guns are no less deadly when they aren't "assault weapons". The smarter way to legislate this sort of stuff is to make penalties stiffer when such items are used in the perpetration of a violent crime, like they do with hollow points (which are safer to use for home defense than regular bullets).
angelkimne
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The thing is, while gun control can obviously make a country a whole lot safer and more peaceful, reducing the number of incidents like these -- America is beyond saving.
The Constitution has absolutely screwed you guys over. Firstly, because of the Second Amendment. Secondly, because of federalism -- even if some states' tighten up their regulations, it won't mean much if others don't, because guns will still be plentiful and easy to come by. Thirdly, because thanks to the combination of the Second Amendment and 'constitution worship', gun rights is ingrained in American political culture.
It is the perfect case study of a codified constitution backfiring due to rigidity and age.
The Constitution has absolutely screwed you guys over. Firstly, because of the Second Amendment. Secondly, because of federalism -- even if some states' tighten up their regulations, it won't mean much if others don't, because guns will still be plentiful and easy to come by. Thirdly, because thanks to the combination of the Second Amendment and 'constitution worship', gun rights is ingrained in American political culture.
It is the perfect case study of a codified constitution backfiring due to rigidity and age.
metalslimer
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A person would not have been able to kill 26 children with a knife. You can say stricter gun laws wouldn't prevent this person from getting the gun.
Apparently you don't need to do a background check (unless required by state law) when you're buying from a private seller
Ravensmash
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Absolute rubbish. There's a reason why firearms are so popular, because of their relative ease of use and ability to target individuals over a distance.
Someone holding a knife could be disarmed much easier than someone running around firing rounds off.
What do people need to own weapons for, anyway? To go against the Government if their rights are violated? It doesn't matter how many guns you own, you stand no chance against a drone strike. Guns make no difference, American people can't win against their military.
You genuinely believe he could have killed over 20 persons with a knife? Seriously?
You genuinely believe he could have killed over 20 persons with a knife? Seriously?
there's a world of difference between a knife and a fucking gun
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Because its impossible to pass anything meaningful beyond what we've already got due to Republican gun-rights people, so I have my doubts the Democrats are going to want to harp on an issue they can't get anywhere on.
Its practically a meaningless exercise to try and argue for banning all guns. It will never happen.
Dude Abides
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You can't be serious. Why do you think military personnel carry guns rather than doing all their fighting with knives?
Choke on the Magic
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Exactly. This and Aurora both involved some big mental issues. I have no problem with that at all. I think school should be treated like court houses are when it comes to security as well.
Messypandas
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Your link's broke but i'm gonna call bullshit. How would James Holmes know where to go to buy a gun on the black market? Or any Joe Schmoe know? And the fear of a sting would put MANY people off. I read an article saying James Holmes would have flagged up on the police radar if he had to buy guns illegally.
Not a chance in hell unless he's some master assassin
wtf indeed.
Guns != self-defense.
Jeff Albertson
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But how many died in china? If they swapped a knife for a gun do you think the outcome would be the same?
Snkfanatic
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This is now my feeling. I used to support the right to bear arms but not after some of these events recently. Today was the nail in the coffin. It is time to do something about this. Now not later.
IHaveCandy
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Are you going to try and disarm a man with a 15" knife meant to chop animals apart? I'm not arguing that knives are as efficiently lethal. The point is that they are extremely lethal. The point is this person could have still created this kind of tragedy. Gun banning wouldn't have certainly stopped it.
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