December Comic |OT| Apocalypse NOW - Time Enough At Last.

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comedy bomb said:
I've got Marvel's fix for the Superior Spider-Man:

- SS knocks up MJ
- Dr. Strange learns the baby is Peter reincarnated
- When the baby is born Mr Fantastic speeds its growth to adulthood
- Pete 2.0 takes down SS
- Pete and MJ is forever ruined because she is his now his momwife
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I would love to read the USA Today article covering this.
 
Garryk said:
wat

Dan Slott
@DanSlott
Death threats and threats of violence are being reported. Insults and vulgarity are being blocked. Not criticism. Please be civil. Thank you.
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People are understandably upset over this.
The decades-old beloved superhero died a terrible death, his archenemy has stolen his life with no one the wiser,
and people by their nature get emotionally attached to things they love. How could they not be upset? And when people get upset, some of them have a tendency to say things without thinking them through. The difference between the real world and the internet, though, is that those things get documented automatically.

I'm not saying I condone death threats, but honestly: what did Slott think was going to happen after ASM #700? That people were going to judge the book on artistic merit and set their feelings aside?
 
I just thought it was weird that he addressed it. He fully acknowledged that this was going to happen and now he is freaking out because it is. Now that he is advertising that there are death threats this will become "news" and will only invite more hostility.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
People are understandably upset over this.
The decades-old beloved superhero died a terrible death, his archenemy has stolen his life with no one the wiser,
and people by their nature get emotionally attached to things they love. How could they not be upset? And when people get upset, some of them have a tendency to say things without thinking them through. The difference between the real world and the internet, though, is that those things get documented automatically.

I'm not saying I condone death threats, but honestly: what did Slott think was going to happen after ASM #700? That people were going to judge the book on artistic merit and set their feelings aside?
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I'm really confused by why so people are so distraught over it. I mean, is anyone seriously expecting this to last? Not even permanently, but for, like, more than a year?

Peter will be Spider-Man again by 2014. In the meantime, either enjoy the SSM experiment, or skip over it.

I just really don't see what the big deal is.
 
Also, I'm laughing pretty hard at Slott whining about gun control and then turning around and talking about death threats and the First Amendment. Bill of Rights is a package deal dude.
 
Wacker and slott love intentionally fucking around with the Internet and then acting like theyre taking the high road when the Internet gets mad. It they've been doing it on CBR for years. Always came off as highly unprofessional to me.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
People are understandably upset over this.
The decades-old beloved superhero died a terrible death, his archenemy has stolen his life with no one the wiser,
and people by their nature get emotionally attached to things they love. How could they not be upset? And when people get upset, some of them have a tendency to say things without thinking them through. The difference between the real world and the internet, though, is that those things get documented automatically.

I'm not saying I condone death threats, but honestly: what did Slott think was going to happen after ASM #700? That people were going to judge the book on artistic merit and set their feelings aside?
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Plus he fucking idiotically has been saying he'll need "a bunker" FOR MONTHS NOW.

Fucking. Idiot.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
People are understandably upset over this.
The decades-old beloved superhero died a terrible death, his archenemy has stolen his life with no one the wiser,
and people by their nature get emotionally attached to things they love. How could they not be upset? And when people get upset, some of them have a tendency to say things without thinking them through. The difference between the real world and the internet, though, is that those things get documented automatically.

I'm not saying I condone death threats, but honestly: what did Slott think was going to happen after ASM #700? That people were going to judge the book on artistic merit and set their feelings aside?
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I mean, it's a terrible shit move, but death threats over comics? A bit extreme.

But seriously, is anybody talking about the whole "if OckParker sleeps with MJ that's kinda sorta rape" thing?
 
Not Spider-man nor DC's violence

But checked out L'il Gotham 3, not nearly as adorable as the previous 2, but it has some moments.
Also we get a new one next week as well!
 
By the way, the follow-up leaked too. Same source.

Otto is clearly in the driver's seat, Peter's Jewish guilt notwithstanding; there are a few moments of "remember when I- no HE" memory confusion going on, but this is still Otto Octavius we're talking about here. He's had a change of heart forced upon him, but that didn't do anything to alter his personality. HOWEVER, there is a moment where something happens, I won't say what, that Otto quickly shrugs off and chalks up to instinct. It could be interpreted as foreshadowing, or it could just be the author playing with the readers' emotions.
But for now, the short of it is that it looks like people hoping that the Superior Spider-Man is going to be some kind of
mind-merged "Peter/Otto" hybrid personality
are going to be disappointed.

WanderingWind said:
I mean, it's a terrible shit move, but death threats over comics? A bit extreme.

But seriously, is anybody talking about the whole "if OckParker sleeps with MJ that's kinda sorta rape" thing?
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MJ's scenes in ASM #700 ruffled quite a few feathers.
 
This is like those crappy episodes of Smallville where bad people got Clark's body or his powers. First order of agenda, bang their women.
 
Garryk said:
This is like those crappy episodes of Smallville where bad people got Clark's body or his powers. First order of agenda, bang their women.
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I mentioned this after i read that issue, haven't read 699 yet, but I've hated that kind of "storytelling" for a long time now. Happened every fifth episode in Buffy and Angel.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
People are understandably upset over this.
The decades-old beloved superhero died a terrible death, his archenemy has stolen his life with no one the wiser,
and people by their nature get emotionally attached to things they love. How could they not be upset? And when people get upset, some of them have a tendency to say things without thinking them through. The difference between the real world and the internet, though, is that those things get documented automatically.

I'm not saying I condone death threats, but honestly: what did Slott think was going to happen after ASM #700? That people were going to judge the book on artistic merit and set their feelings aside?
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Good! I think we needed some victim blaming to go with the whole "death threats over a comic book" situation here. Thanks for that, Spike!
 
Blader5489 said:
I'm really confused by why so people are so distraught over it. I mean, is anyone seriously expecting this to last? Not even permanently, but for, like, more than a year?

Peter will be Spider-Man again by 2014. In the meantime, either enjoy the SSM experiment, or skip over it.

I just really don't see what the big deal is.
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If you told me brand new day was gonna be an editorial decision spanning years with no signs on ending, I would have said you were crazy, because no company would sabotage a popular character like that. Thinks come and go for other chatacters, but this spider man shit seems to be sticking. We can say that in a few months to a year, things can be back to normal, but we don't know that for sure
 
I think the point of all this is that Slott has been joking about all this crap for months, and now he's butthurt that it is happening. Should have built a bunker without an internet connection.
 
Parallax said:
If you told me brand new day was gonna be an editorial decision spanning years with no signs on ending, I would have said you were crazy, because no company would sabotage a popular character like that. Thinks come and go for other chatacters, but this spider man shit seems to be sticking. We can say that in a few months to a year, things can be back to normal, but we don't know that for sure
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Brand New Day was always going to be a semi-permanent thing. They had written themselves into a wall with the whole Aunt May's dying thing and Peter being unmasked. That combo closes more doors than it opens and they realized it. Sure you get the whole villain going after Peter's family arc, which is new but the fact is that EVERY villain would be going after them because it would be insanely stupid not to. They had to undo it, if you reveal Peter's identity to the world you instantly enter the end game. At that point you have two options, kill him or magic away the reveal.
 
Garryk said:
I think the point of all this is that Slott has been joking about all this crap for months, and now he's butthurt that it is happening. Should have built a bunker without an internet connection.
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People are threatening to kill him over a comic book. I think we can afford him being a bit agitated by that, even if he has been a complete horse's ass about everything.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
People are threatening to kill him over a comic book. I think we can afford him being a bit agitated by that, even if he has been a complete horse's ass about everything.
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He should just shut the fuck up about it. He's just drawing more attention to himself which will just encourage more people to jump on the hate wagon.

Also, people threaten to kill people over dumb shit like football games, and you don't see players crying that someone threatened them on twitter.
 
Garryk said:
Also, people threaten to kill people over dumb shit like football games, and you don't see players crying that someone threatened them on twitter.
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But that would be a legitimate thing to be upset about right? That some fuckin' pyschopath is so upset by some entertainment product they're threatening to murder you, yes? Some people let it slide, doesn't mean everybody should just say, "oh, people threatening to kill me, you crazy comic fans, lulz"

Nothing Dan Slott has done warrants this behavior. It's completely unjustifiable and indefensible. Period. End of.
 
B-Dubs said:
Brand New Day was always going to be a semi-permanent thing. They had written themselves into a wall with the whole Aunt May's dying thing and Peter being unmasked. That combo closes more doors than it opens and they realized it. Sure you get the whole villain going after Peter's family arc, which is new but the fact is that EVERY villain would be going after them because it would be insanely stupid not to. They had to undo it, if you reveal Peter's identity to the world you instantly enter the end game. At that point you have two options, kill him or magic away the reveal.
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But the they way they did it? Mephisto making him choose? That's all so asisine that it seems like a short term solution. hes friends with people the likes of Dr strange, or super geniuses like Richards and his only way out is mephisto? None the less, my point is that although we think this is a temporary thing, we have no way of knowing for certain.
 
Whatevs. ASM's been fun comics - I caught up a while back and I've really been enjoying it. They're trying something different, so more power to 'em. Of course they're going to change it at some point, all stories eventually get rubbed out of relevance - it's about enjoying the ride while it lasts. And if you're not having fun on the ride, get off. There are other books (other Spider books, no less) for you.

EDIT: I guess this is kinda hypocritical when earlier in this very thread I was moaning about the Guardians reboot, so maybe this just hits harder for you folks. I guess that just really bothered me because those characters had been given a definitive ending. Spider-Man is a property that will live on hundreds of years after we're all dead, so these diversions don't ever really feel permanent. Just gotta go with the flow.

It's like, I'd get pissed if they remade, like, Blues Brothers will an all-new cast (2000 was bad enough), but if they decided James Bond was an undercover agent for England in Feudal Japan who's trying to manipulate the rising Yakuza clans? Hey, why not? Go for it.
 
Sorry Stegman, I'm out. I won't be supporting this childish trolling trash. A total dogs death for Peter and consigning the book to overly done "YOURE NOT YOURSELF!!!!" shit for a whole year or until the sales are hit hard enough, which I hope they will be, but probably won't due to the average comic book readers battered-wife syndrome.

Successfully topping the Clone Saga and OMD for being reviled shouldnt have been a goal, but hey, thats what comicbook writing is supposed to be now right. Just stupid fucking trollface activators.

Cancel Scarlet Spider anytime soon and I'll be right with that current pitchfork waving mob, Marvel. If your plan for NOW was to make it a fucking car crash beyond a few rare jewels (Thor and probably Young Avengers), then well done.

And to be honest, I feel death threats come from an absolute abject frustration with the stranglehold hacks have in the industry and on their jobs. Everybody hates Greg Land's art, and yet....? What does it take to get rid of a talentless/washed up someone from the upper echelons of Marvel? Jeph Loeb, Land, now Slott. It seems more likely that these people would be offed by an elaborate fucking comic-book style murder plan than ever getting anywhere close to losing their job over divebombing quality. That makes a pressure cooker where stupider people can't express themselves beyond a primate like thumping of chests and throat strangling signals. But of course Slott was winding us all up for months in advance as well. Congrats, enjoy the stress.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
But that would be a legitimate thing to be upset about right? That some fuckin' pyschopath is so upset by some entertainment product they're threatening to murder you, yes? Some people let it slide, doesn't mean everybody should just say, "oh, people threatening to kill me, you crazy comic fans, lulz"

Nothing Dan Slott has done warrants this behavior. It's completely unjustifiable and indefensible. Period. End of.
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No one is arguing that it's justified, just that it's not really something to get upset over when in the internet age people receive death threats for absolutely anything, and yet not one person has been murdered by an enraged fan yet.
 
Parallax said:
But the they way they did it? Mephisto making him choose? That's all so asisine that it seems like a short term solution. hes friends with people the likes of Dr strange, or super geniuses like Richards and his only way out is mephisto? None the less, my point is that although we think this is a temporary thing, we have no way of knowing for certain.
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The Mephisto thing ties into editorial wanting to get rid of the marriage, a deal with the Devil is a standard trope and fits in with the direction they wanted to take the character (not saying it wasn't crap because it was, but you get the idea). You are right about us not being able to know how long this will last though, but I will still be surprised if it lasts over a year.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It doesn't count if you goad them three months in advance. Definitely messes with the integrity of the experiment and results.
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I don't know why people are giving that toad attention. You don't like what he's done? Fight him with your wallet. The people seething about this the most are still gonna buy this issue when it hits, so where does their integrity lie on the manner?

RealDeadOne said:
No one is arguing that it's justified, just that it's not really something to get upset over when in the internet age people receive death threats for absolutely anything, and yet not one person has been murdered by an enraged fan yet.
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What about john Lennon and Selena?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
No comic creators yet. I guess that makes you line of reasoning totally not fuckin' stupid, right?

"I'm not defending it but I mean...what did she expect dressing like that?"
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And you comparing me to a rapist sympathizer is just as reasonable?

Dude, I am not saying it's ok to threaten people ever, but I'm pretty sure every comic creator who has made a polarizing book has received death threats on the internet. You're supposed to just ignore it because it's all meaningless. It's just garbage angry internet nerds spew.
 
Nesotenso said:
if this is true, then fuck off Slott
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Top points for the absolutely awful writing that see's Potto run hot and cold with blatantly non-Peter language while psychologically abusing her throughout the entire issue seemingly after sex is narrowly avoided. So even if this stupid arc gets retconned, unless you do a mindwipe on MJ she is now forever damaged goods as far as any future between her and restored Peter is concerned.

Rather than actually build on the positive direction Slott began his run with, he'll crash and burn the fucking lot with slowly writing off his Horizon Labs position through arrogance of Potto, other personal relationships trashed, and so even if Pete does come back its going to be the same ol same ol DOWN ON HIS LUCK PARKER.

Slott really divebombed his entire run to shitsville post Spider-Island.
 
Nesotenso said:
if this is true, then fuck off Slott
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I think i'm done with Slott. I'm removing issue #3 and 4 of Superior from my dcbs pre-order until i read the other issues and see if they sell on ebay. Last ASM set sold at a decent price and i got to keep the digital codes to rehate later.
 
I would have to put comic fans on the top of the list for drama queen antics. I thought the overreaction to BND was beyond ridiculous. I couldn't believe how roll-eyes stupid that nerd rage was and for how long some people were butthurt about it. Now the spider-man fans have a new thing to whine about. Just like BND, I can see this being brought up over and over again in every comic thread for years to come. If you want to be a rational fan of the character you have to avoid boards because of the lunatics.

I understand fans can be emotional, I get that, but some people need to get a reality check. It's a friggin comic, and the extent of the emotional overreaction makes the whole comic community look like a bunch of idiots. I just want to slap the stupid out of these bozos.
 
The appropriate response should be to notify the police and let them handle it. By tweeting about it all day he's probably done exactly what this person wanted. When someone makes a death threat without the intention to actually kill someone, it's usually for the attention.
 
RealDeadOne said:
Happened before the internet and to people several times more high profile than Dan Slott.
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You think that because he isn't high profile that makes him exempt from some mentally unstable individual upset at what he did to his favorite character?
 
RealDeadOne said:
And you comparing me to a rapist sympathizer is just as reasonable?

Dude, I am not saying it's ok to threaten people ever, but I'm pretty sure every comic creator who has made a polarizing book has received death threats on the internet. You're supposed to just ignore it because it's all meaningless. It's just garbage angry internet nerds spew.
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I say it's the same dumbass line of reasoning. You're not "defending the attacker", but the one being attacked should just be used to it by now and just ignore it. Death threats, smeth threats, who cares! Just wacky comic book fans, hyuck
 
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