Apparently murder:
Err... I mean they would defend themselves! ... by killing the person confiscating them.
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NRA's solution to Sandy Hook massacre: "armed guards" in every school
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Apparently murder:
Err... I mean they would defend themselves! ... by killing the person confiscating them.
I love the fucking fantasyland that gun nuts live in, where giving everyone a gun would make things safer, because somehow if you've got a gun your incapable of being unstable or having an error or having a lapse in judgement.
Now, compare and contrast this with their views and on Iran having nukes and the reasoning for not allowing that.
It is still the same concept as what gun activists are proposing. You don't let the mentally unstable people/countries have them, but all the sane people/countries can have them to be used as a deterrent against others.
Letting Iran have nukes is comparable to letting somebody that was not mentally stable buy a gun.
I am not the most educated on the way guns are purchased in the US as I have never bought one, but there is some kind of background/mental health check isn't there?
There's a background check if you purchase a gun a certain way. If you purchase it at a gun show, though, there isn't.
Patrick Bateman
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Umm, I thought there were 20 children and 8 adults killed. Why does the NRA hold a press conference if they don't even have the right numbers?
Anticitizen One
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How does this solve the problem of mass public shootings at movie theaters, political rallies, and every other soft target out there?????
Only if you purchase a gun from a dealer at retail or a gun show.
Private sales between 2 people, or gifting, does not require anything.
To legally carry a gun, does require fingerprinting, and background checks, if you want a permit to carry it around or conceal it in public. If you're just keeping it in a lock box at home, you don't need anything.
Edit: just noticed my mistake, gun shows dont require checks, but the gun dealer must be licensed and keep accurate records of who he sells to and has to turn that info over to the ATF
Baraka in the White House
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Hey, we're trying to get guns into schools first so just slow your roll there, buddy.
You gotta ease into these things.
I hope all the idiots and their "online cease fire" bullshit are happy. They have just handed the NRA a scapegoat and the media a shiny object to go after instead of focusing on the real issue (unfettered access to military-style weapons).
There was some guy and his kids on CNN just now dumping all their shooting games. Too bad the host didn't ask why he's such a terrible parent for letting 11 year olds play M-rated games (Not that I personally think it's a big deal if you raise your kids right).
There was some guy and his kids on CNN just now dumping all their shooting games. Too bad the host didn't ask why he's such a terrible parent for letting 11 year olds play M-rated games (Not that I personally think it's a big deal if you raise your kids right).
CharlieDigital
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Made me think of Truancy Bot
I am on the gun support side of the argument, but that is ridiculous. Any loopholes that allows somebody that is mentally unstable to purchase a dangerous weapon need to be taken care of NOW.
There are some things out there that defy logic. I don't know that I support an assault rifle ban as I don't think they are effectively any different than a lot of other guns. The assault rifle ban was in place during Columbine so that in itself indicates its effectiveness. However, at the same time why do people really care? What are you using an assault rifle for that you couldn't buy a standard rifle and do the same thing.
Isn't it kind of hard to shoot people if you don't have access to guns? Aren't firearms illegal in the countries you mention?
Anticitizen One
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it's not a toomah
Do you consider an armed guard and armed officer the same thing? Because if you do, we already have armed officers at most even semi major public park, malls, and high school sporting events. My city has under 60K people and until the past few years, pretty low major or violent crimes and we've had armed officers at all of those since I was a young kid.
My city has had a strong uptick in gun related violent crimes and deaths in the past 3 years. Having armed guards or officers at places like malls/parks/schools doesn't really do much since the tiniest fraction of gun related crimes take place in those areas. They are almost always in houses, terrible gang riddled neighborhoods, used in thefts, or outside of bars. And nearly all of them have been drug related as well. There was a double homicide a few years ago over fucking pot. Who the fuck kills over weed?
I...um...uhhh...
To be more precise on my previous post it does depend on states, but I think for the most part the loophole is that private selling of guns doesn't require a background check, and gun shows offer a lot of private selling of guns. Thus, you can walk into a show and walk out with a gun and have no background check. Some states do regulate this. Others do not. Also, I don't believe the background check does anything about finding mentally unstable people. Pretty sure it just checks your criminal record on a few databases.
speculawyer
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Well . . . those 'adults' were mostly teachers . . . and we know they are probably ignorant liberals and thus they are 'kids'.
PjotrStroganov
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No they are not. But they are much harder to come by legally.
Synth_floyd
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Ban all machine guns. What do you need a machine gun for? The 2nd amendment wasn't talking about machine guns. They didn't exist back then. The guns that the 2nd amendment was referring to were ones in which a skilled musketeer could fire FOUR shots in a minute. This was before rifling as well so those shots were fairly inaccurate. This is also another reason why the constitution must be a "living" document. If constitutionally machine guns should be legal then so should grenades, RPGs, missles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weapons, etc. The 2nd amendment after all doesn't refer to "guns" but "arms" which is a generic term for weapons.
Can't tell if you know this is pro gun control logic or not.
I think there is very little that we can learn from that ban, as it was really poorly executed.
Not to mention that even if it was properly crafted, an approach that just just prevents the sale of new guns will always take a while before its effects are felt in society.
But let's get the ball moving, I think all of us agree that we need to draw the line somewhere, like, no one but crazy people think that civilians should be able to buy stinger missiles, right?
So where do you think that line should be drawn?
I think the current definition of banning only full auto doesn't make a whole lot of sense, any way you look at it.
Stormtrooper30
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He did not explicitly state "armed guards." He called for a police officer to be stationed at every school, which is not unreasonable at all.
Yes, I did actually watch the address.
Yes, I did actually watch the address.
speculawyer
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Stormtrooper30
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Are you unemployed?
But hey . . . I'm all for the plan if the industry takes up some personal responsibility and pays for it. I'm sure NRA board member Grover Norquist agrees that taxes cannot be raised.
Warm Machine
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Canada, Japan, most of Europe, and many other countries are magical fantasy lands? I think you have bought into fear paranoia that makes you believe that living in the US means you need a firearm.
Just get a dog if you want to feel safe.
You can only stop the government with a gun too, don't forget.
And deers. Fucking deers...
Stormtrooper30
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It is already in place here in Memphis, in both County and City school districts. It may cost more money, but could other cities not enact the same procedures?
Hrm...nope. No support of gun ban. You can ban extended clips, but I know people who are trying to corner the market on those things as we speak, so they can sell them later for 200$ a pop.
Don't knee-jerk people. Congress is so dysfunctional, they're banging their chains to try to speed something through because they're usually so "powerless" against the NRAmoney, that they think they have to use "momentum". Don't ban guns. Make them harder to get. Make it a point of responsibility instead of property. We always do this. We either ignore something, or react with "never again" eagle tears.
Knee cap the NRA though. I can shoot someplace else. Their gun ranges are nice, but the people there are pretty skittish.
Don't knee-jerk people. Congress is so dysfunctional, they're banging their chains to try to speed something through because they're usually so "powerless" against the NRA
Knee cap the NRA though. I can shoot someplace else. Their gun ranges are nice, but the people there are pretty skittish.
How much is that gonna cost? Probably a billion dollars.
Why should responsible people have to suffer (in taxes) because of a few irresponsible ones that don't want killing machines to be better controlled out of disgusting self-interest?
I H8 Memes
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There was a cop stationed at Columbine when the shootings happened.
Why should gun owners have to suffer a ten round max clip, even though they also say the murderer would have simply used three clips had that been the law? I'd love to hear gun owners explain more about their suffering.
It costs a lot more money ($2B-$5B per year nationally), to no end: columbine and virginia tech had armed guards on hand.
They could, but it would not help, and would cost a LOT of money.
How much do you think that would cost? Would you gear them up with a full military getup? A policeman with a handgun isn't going to stop these people, who are increasingly showing up with assault rifles and body armor. How do you think your kids would feel with what are essentially soldiers patrolling the hallways of their school? Would that make them feel safe? It's completely fucking unreasonable.
These are fucking elementary schools, not goddamn war zones. Pull your head out of your ass.
Get shot first, obviously.
Hari Seldon
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They have been banned since 1986. The ones that exist were grandfathered in.
Calculation put it anywhere from 4 to 15 billion per year, depending on the salary.
It will also require 20% of the police force in this country.
Correct. And the attacker will most likely arm himself even more, since he would know there would be guards.
Or he will attack a different target, like a mall. Then we need armed guards there as well. And so on.... more guns and guards will solve nothing, absolutely nothing. Politics is so corrupted and only think of their own preferences. Never about the people. It's sick.
You will find that gunmen tend to target locations that have strong prohibitions on guns deliberately for the fact that they will not face armed opposition. The gunmen in the mall the other week was stopped because a concealed carry owner didn't realize the mall had a ban on guns and was able to successfully stop the nutjob before he could do worse damage. Considering the weapon he had if he was not confronted and stopped he could have easily equaled or surpassed the sandy hook casualty numbers.
Schools and the like as gun free zones are ideal targets for the mentally ill who want maximum damage before they splatter their own brains
Truckondo2.0
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I saw that too. The host did ask why he let the kids play mature games but of course he dodged the question. Instead of dumping the games in the trash, they could at the very least hit up a GameStop and get credit or cash and use that to somehow help with the community.
GillianSeed79
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Wasn't there a shooting last year at a police station?
High Schools have had armed police officers where I live for years. They are called school safety resource officers and there's usually just one. If they want to assign a cop to elementary schools that's fine, but it's not the answer and it's not going to stop an active shooter scenario. Police departments drill for this sort of scenario all the time. The drill isn't hey Steve you're the school safety officer. If a guy comes in spraying bullets with an AR-15 you just, you know, shoot him or something. One cop is not going to magically stop an active shooter armed with an AR-15 if they are surprised. They might be able lessen the carnage, but they'll probably be among the dead before SWAT arrives. I sure as fuck don't trust some random NRA dude with an itchy trigger finger. There'd probably be a Trevon Martin-style shooting within a year.
Somebody already mentioned it, but is also takes a lot of money to train, hire, pay and equip a cop. I somehow doubt conservatives would even back this once they see how much it costs, especially considering everyone is already struggling locally with their budgets. Half of the police departments are underfunded as it is.
High Schools have had armed police officers where I live for years. They are called school safety resource officers and there's usually just one. If they want to assign a cop to elementary schools that's fine, but it's not the answer and it's not going to stop an active shooter scenario. Police departments drill for this sort of scenario all the time. The drill isn't hey Steve you're the school safety officer. If a guy comes in spraying bullets with an AR-15 you just, you know, shoot him or something. One cop is not going to magically stop an active shooter armed with an AR-15 if they are surprised. They might be able lessen the carnage, but they'll probably be among the dead before SWAT arrives. I sure as fuck don't trust some random NRA dude with an itchy trigger finger. There'd probably be a Trevon Martin-style shooting within a year.
Somebody already mentioned it, but is also takes a lot of money to train, hire, pay and equip a cop. I somehow doubt conservatives would even back this once they see how much it costs, especially considering everyone is already struggling locally with their budgets. Half of the police departments are underfunded as it is.
Liberty4all
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You really think that's reasonable?
How about stronger gun control instead so you don't actually NEED an armed police officer patrolling the school halls?
While thsi makes sense from a logical standpoint, I have yet to see any evidence of it actually being true. Not forgetting that mass murderers tend not have a strong grasp of logic.
Additionally he said this was an immediate solution while policy is debated.
HiredN00bs
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No need to employ armed police officers at every corner when you have a citizenry that overcomes its irrational fear of firearms and allows sane, responsible, law abiding trained individuals to carry them without exception. One of those darling teachers could have put this guy down and saved kids' lives.
Or we could just continue our culture of fear and ignorance. That could work too. Maybe.
Or we could just continue our culture of fear and ignorance. That could work too. Maybe.
I've seen enough evidence of it being true. Malls, schools, theaters all ban legal carriers. When was the last time you heard about a criminally insane guy trying to shoot up a gun range?
Yep, it's hardly a solution.
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