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[Akainu]

Just say this when looking at my e-mail. Ridiculous. Had to roll my eyes.

 

[Kinyou]

I've seen enough evidence of it being true. Malls, schools, theaters all ban legal carriers. When was the last time you heard about a criminally insane guy trying to shoot up a gun range?

Mom kills son, then self at shooting range

 

[JB1981]

Can't tell if you know this is pro gun control logic or not.

He said other western nations have access to the same media we do and yet there are no violent shootings. Kind of hard to draw a comparison when guns aren't as readily available there. I don't mean to imply that violent media causes violent crime, just saying that I think the comparison seems kind of irrelevant.

 

[Seguin]

I appreciate the NRA coming out with a logical solution like this, rather than socialist democrats who are just politicizing this event to try and take guns from hardworking Americans.

 

[ari]

Guns should only be allowed for hunting and other recreational activities like target practice and sports. The only Americans that should be allowed to carry them is the police force and military. SIMPLE

Not sure why Americans feel the need to even own one. That is some serious "because i can" type shit right there.

 

[GillianSeed79]

What about political rallies? I want to hear the argument that the solution to prevent a Gifford's style shooting is allowing the public to be armed around politicians at public appearances. Do you really think that would fly? After the shooting at the capitol they banned guns there. If the solution is more guns, I want to hear the first congressman suggest people should be able to walk around the halls of congress armed. I'm sure it would get a lot of support.

 

[astroturfing]

I appreciate the NRA coming out with a logical solution like this, rather than socialist democrats who are just politicizing this event to try and take guns from hardworking Americans.

agreed.

NRA should stress personal responsibility a bit more though, they should support that kid who went to school with a gun just a day or two ago. he was a hero, such a young kid with such a strong sense of individual rights and personal responsibility. amazing really, i wish i could meet him and shake his hand.

 

[RDreamer]

You will find that gunmen tend to target locations that have strong prohibitions on guns deliberately for the fact that they will not face armed opposition. The gunmen in the mall the other week was stopped because a concealed carry owner didn't realize the mall had a ban on guns and was able to successfully stop the nutjob before he could do worse damage. Considering the weapon he had if he was not confronted and stopped he could have easily equaled or surpassed the sandy hook casualty numbers.

Schools and the like as gun free zones are ideal targets for the mentally ill who want maximum damage before they splatter their own brains

You're going to need some citations here, because I'm pretty sure you can't prove that. You think those places are ideal targets because they would get maximum damage, but we can't be using sane logic to explain people who've clearly gone over the edge. For the most part people seem to pick places for just whatever reason, whether it be that those are the people they perceive have wronged them or they want to make a particular statement. Kids don't shoot up schools necessarily because they want to do the most damage. They do it because they're kids, and those are the places that have "wronged" them. They perceive it as taking aggression out on their aggressors.

Hell, we had a mass shooting at a freaking military installation.

 

[Timedog]

There are around 130,000 schools in the US. Around 100,000 are public.
Let's estimate that it costs $100,000 per school per year (office pay, officer benefits, training for officers and school staff, police vehicle, vehicle maintenance and supplies, issued weapons, issued electronics, paperwork on both ends, checkups and reviews, etc etc etc).

Cost, approximately, and assuming we leave private schools kids to defend themselves, is: 10,000,000,000.

10 billion dollars.

This from the same right wingers who jack off about the deficit and austerity. Spending money is only a bad thing when you're trying to help people. When you're trying to help an outdated and idiotic worldview keep from getting flushed down the toilet as it should, then it's fucking carte blanche.

Yippee Ki Yay motherfuckers.

 

[Seguin]

There are around 130,000 schools in the US. Around 100,000 are public.
Let's estimate that it costs $100,000 per school per year (office pay, officer benefits, training for officers and school staff, police vehicle, vehicle maintenance and supplies, issued weapons, issued electronics, paperwork on both ends, checkups and reviews, etc etc etc).

Cost, approximately, and assuming we leave private schools kids to defend themselves, is: 10,000,000,000.

10 billion dollars.

This from the same right wingers who jack off about the deficit and austerity. Spending money is only a bad thing when you're trying to help people. When you're trying to help an outdated and idiotic worldview keep from getting flushed down the toilet as it should, then it's fucking carte blanche.

Yippee Ki Yay motherfuckers.

Just cut $10 billion from entitlement programs. Problem solved

 

[Sobriquet]

My high school had an armed police officer. I'm almost certain he was sleeping with one of the students.

 

[I H8 Memes]

No need to employ armed police officers at every corner when you have a citizenry that overcomes its irrational fear of firearms and allows sane, responsible, law abiding trained individuals to carry them without exception. One of those darling teachers could have put this guy down and saved kids' lives.

Or we could just continue our culture of fear and ignorance. That could work too. Maybe.


I've seen enough evidence of it being true. Malls, schools, theaters all ban legal carriers. When was the last time you heard about a criminally insane guy trying to shoot up a gun range?

You have gone full gun nut. Now your solution is that everybody should carry guns.

It's the musics fault.
Or it's the movies fault
Or it's the fault of videogames
Or its because there wasn't an armed officer there
Get shown that in most of these cases there was an armed officer there and now suggest that everyone needs to be armed at all times.

But the problem is never the guns is it.

 

[Hilti92]

this doesnt seem like the solution to this problem. why pay to have armed guards in every school across america because of a freak incident? i understand that even if it saves one group of kids that it would be considered a success but why spend tons of money on that when the money could go towards mental health facilitating or banning video games (jk) i guess in another way, a lot of armed guards are already getting paid to sit on their asses so why not just throw them in a school so they're doing something..

 

[Sutton Dagger]

The NRA's magical solution is being mocked on Australian news channels. It's a shame that this organisation reflects poorly on American's to those that are ignorant.

 

[railGUN]

I just can't imagine sending my child to a school that required an armed fucking guard. I'd move before it ever came to that.

 

[Izayoi]

No need to employ armed police officers at every corner when you have a citizenry that overcomes its irrational fear of firearms and allows sane, responsible, law abiding trained individuals to carry them without exception. One of those darling teachers could have put this guy down and saved kids' lives.

Or we could just continue our culture of fear and ignorance. That could work too. Maybe.

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly have a hard time telling the difference nowadays.

 

[RDreamer]

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly have a hard time telling the difference nowadays.

Doubt it:

Politicians that blame video games are just as dumb as liberal gamers that blame guns. The problem isn't a culture of violence, it's a culture of ignorance.

Today on NeoGAF I learned that guns kill people and that if we ban guns that they'll kill less people.

Culture of ignorance.

On Friday, let's all play Goldeneye, Slappers Only.

And to all the people saying that gun legislation needs attention, I'm going to assume you mean changing the law so that more upstanding, law-abiding, responsible, trained citizens can legally carry their firearms, especially in these non-sensical "safe zones" that are giant, vulnerable targets for mass murderers.

 

[BocoDragon]

NRA.. You are fucking PSYCHOS.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

He said other western nations have access to the same media we do and yet there are no violent shootings. Kind of hard to draw a comparison when guns aren't as readily available there. I don't mean to imply that violent media causes violent crime, just saying that I think the comparison seems kind of irrelevant.

Do you think violent media should be first on the chopping block (in regards to stricter regulation) before guns are?

 

[Fenderputty]

I think there is very little that we can learn from that ban, as it was really poorly executed.
Not to mention that even if it was properly crafted, an approach that just just prevents the sale of new guns will always take a while before its effects are felt in society.

But let's get the ball moving, I think all of us agree that we need to draw the line somewhere, like, no one but crazy people think that civilians should be able to buy stinger missiles, right?
So where do you think that line should be drawn?

I think the current definition of banning only full auto doesn't make a whole lot of sense, any way you look at it.

I've said this in other threads, but a ban on AR's isn't going to prevent powerful riffles from being bought. It's really only preventing military looking riffles form being bought. I would much rather see a massive reduction in the amount of bullets magazines carry coupled with stricter laws for purchasing in the first place. Require mental checks, must prove ownership of gun safe etc etc. I think most responsible gun owners, like myself, would be fine with going through some more paperwork and woudn't care about reductions in the size of semi automatic magazines.

 

[GQman2121]

I have nothing original to add. Fuck these people and all of their members. It's embarrassing.

 

[antonz]

I have nothing original to add. Fuck these people and all of their members. It's embarrassing.

What's embarrassing is some shitheads mother who knew he was deranged as fuck still let him play with guns and even actively promoted it.

 

[BocoDragon]

Isn't the whole point of this second amendment gun fantasy supposed to be about maintaining sovereignty and being able to defend yourself against the intrusion of the government?

But now the solution to gun proliferation is to turn elementary schools into a police state?

NRA you are clownish.

 

[Dirtsaw]

Why should gun owners have to suffer a ten round max clip, even though they also say the murderer would have simply used three clips had that been the law? I'd love to hear gun owners explain more about their suffering.

Why don't you ask the widow up the street from me. Her husband died after running out bullets fighting two armed home invasion robbers. He hit both but it didn't stop one. Would 15 bullets instead of 10 kept him alive? I don't know, ask the widow.

 

[Sobriquet]

He said other western nations have access to the same media we do and yet there are no violent shootings. Kind of hard to draw a comparison when guns aren't as readily available there. I don't mean to imply that violent media causes violent crime, just saying that I think the comparison seems kind of irrelevant.

You're simultaneously missing the point and supporting his argument.

 

[EatinOlives]

Why don't you ask the widow up the street from me. Her husband died after running out bullets fighting two armed home invasion robbers. He hit both but it didn't stop one. Would 15 bullets instead of 10 kept him alive? I don't know, ask the widow.

How would she know?

In fact, why didn't she have her own gun? After all, isn't that the NRA's goal here, to arm everyone and their pet?

 

[HiredN00bs]

You have gone full gun nut. Now your solution is that everybody should carry guns.

It's the musics fault.
Or it's the movies fault
Or it's the fault of videogames
Or its because there wasn't an armed officer there
Get shown that in most of these cases there was an armed officer there and now suggest that everyone needs to be armed at all times.

But the problem is never the guns is it.

The solution IS to stop fearing guns and start using them.

You think I'm a gun nut, but I'm just a realist. Guns exist in our world. Criminals have them and use them. Banning them, at best, will make it more difficult for criminals to obtain and use them, but not impossible, and will absolutely leave law-abiding citizens at their mercy. That's unacceptable. As an American, gun ownership is part of our very fiber. It's in the Constitution. It is as much a grave responsibility as it is a right.

Tighten the rules. Raise the standards for gun ownership. But there is no such thing as a disarmed free people.

 

[monchi-kun]

Why don't you ask the widow up the street from me. Her husband died after running out bullets fighting two armed home invasion robbers. He hit both but it didn't stop one. Would 15 bullets instead of 10 kept him alive? I don't know, ask the widow.

Ok, i'll play along...

Ask those 20 kids murdered if they preferred a world without guns....oh wait...

 

[speculawyer]

I've seen enough evidence of it being true. Malls, schools, theaters all ban legal carriers. When was the last time you heard about a criminally insane guy trying to shoot up a gun range?

Mom kills son, then self at shooting range

Ethered.

Damn, that story was sad . . . bad mix of guns, religion, and crazy.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Isn't the whole point of this second amendment gun fantasy supposed to be about maintaining sovereignty and being able to defend yourself against the intrusion of the government?

But now the solution to gun proliferation is to turn elementary schools into a police state?

NRA you are clownish.

The NRA are lobbyists for the gun industry, the thought that anyone believed they would do anything but advocate anything other than more gun proliferation was always misguided.

This is an attempt to shift the dialogue and nothing else. They don't believe this will hold any water but it will distract people from the topic for now and that's what they're hoping for.

 

[monchi-kun]

The solution IS to stop fearing guns and start using them.

You think I'm a gun nut, but I'm just a realist. Guns exist in our world. Criminals have them and use them. Banning them, at best, will make it more difficult for criminals to obtain and use them, but not impossible, and will absolutely leave law-abiding citizens at their mercy. That's unacceptable. As an American, gun ownership is part of our very fiber. It's in the Constitution. It is as much a grave responsibility as it is a right.

Tighten the rules. Raise the standards for gun ownership. But there is no such thing as a disarmed free people.

Maybe there's hope for gun control after all....slavery was once part of american culture. I'm not equating gun ownership and slavery but mertely pointing out how social norms change over time. What was once acceptable can become unacceptable. Our deeply held belief that being American means owning a gun will eventually erode.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

The solution IS to stop fearing guns and start using them.

You think I'm a gun nut, but I'm just a realist. Guns exist in our world. Criminals have them and use them. Banning them, at best, will make it more difficult for criminals to obtain and use them, but not impossible, and will absolutely leave law-abiding citizens at their mercy. That's unacceptable. As an American, gun ownership is part of our very fiber. It's in the Constitution. It is as much a grave responsibility as it is a right.

Tighten the rules. Raise the standards for gun ownership. But there is no such thing as a disarmed free people.

What if it wasn't in the constitution anymore?

 

[HiredN00bs]

Ethered.

Hardly. The point was that mass murderers appear to choose their targets intelligently, at least enough of the time for it to be taken under consideration, and one intending mass murder at a gun range wouldn't get very far.

 

[Tapiozona]

Why don't you ask the widow up the street from me. Her husband died after running out bullets fighting two armed home invasion robbers. He hit both but it didn't stop one. Would 15 bullets instead of 10 kept him alive? I don't know, ask the widow.

I'd love to see some citations on this. I'm guessing this is a complete lie but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if provide some evidence. Hell, I'll even do the research for you if you just tell me what city and about what when this happened. I'll even apologize if I'm wrong, though I'm thinking it won't come to that.

 

[HiredN00bs]

What if it wasn't in the constitution anymore?

What if we didn't have a constitution or bill of rights at all? What if someone started infringing on your right to express ideas, own land, etc.? What if your own government did this? What if you wanted to establish your own government where the people had liberty and freedom? What if you had to fight a war to do so? What if the other side in the war used guns?

 

[GQman2121]

I'm at the bar right now and this group of four people think its a good idea for everyone in every state to carry concealed weapons. Shootings wouldn't happen if everyone is carrying or some shit. It's just mind numbing.

One dude is like if the teacher's had guns, the kids wouldn't focus on a school. It's unbelievable.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Tighten the rules. Raise the standards for gun ownership. But there is no such thing as a disarmed free people.

This is fairly reasonable.

But I assure you, as an American.. guns are not a part of my very fiber..

 

[EatinOlives]

Maybe there's hope for gun control after all....slavery was once part of american culture

You mean to tell me one of the most iconic features of the Constitution was its "living, breathing" attribute in which the authors of the document explicitly allowed lawmakers in the future to modify it because they had the foresight to realize that it will contain tenets that will be highly outdated hundreds of years in the future?

Get outta here!

 

[Tapiozona]

Hardly. The point was that mass murderers appear to choose their targets intelligently, at least enough of the time for it to be taken under consideration, and one intending mass murder at a gun range wouldn't get very far.

Fort Hood Shooting

Ethered

 

[Dirtsaw]

How would she know?

In fact, why didn't she have her own gun? After all, isn't that the NRA's goal here, to arm everyone and their pet?

Well it's obvious but I'l say it slowly... Because she was there and witnessed it.
I don't know why she was not armed. Maybe she, like many, was not comfortable with firearms and depended on others to protect her. I'm pretty sure she is ok with them now.

 

[BocoDragon]

The solution IS to stop fearing guns and start using them.

You think I'm a gun nut, but I'm just a realist. Guns exist in our world. Criminals have them and use them. Banning them, at best, will make it more difficult for criminals to obtain and use them, but not impossible, and will absolutely leave law-abiding citizens at their mercy. That's unacceptable. As an American, gun ownership is part of our very fiber. It's in the Constitution. It is as much a grave responsibility as it is a right.

Tighten the rules. Raise the standards for gun ownership. But there is no such thing as a disarmed free people.

Where's the "freedom" when the solution to gun proliferation is armed guards in schools. That's freedom?

And what does this freedom look like? You gonna blow away the cops when they infringe on your rights? The last people to use guns as the founding fathers intended was at Waco, Texas. It went swell.

This guns = freedom is a dogma that holds so little real world weight. Gun proliferation has utterly ruined freedom, not enabled it one bit.

My preferred freedom is freedom from guns. Not freedom to carry guns to protect against a gun-saturated world.

 

[EatinOlives]

Well it's obvious but I'l say it slowly... Because she was there and witnessed it.
I don't know why she was not armed. Maybe she, like many, was not comfortable with firearms and depended on others to protect her. I'm pretty sure she is ok with them now.

No, how would she know that five more bullets would've stopped the second intruder?

 

[RDreamer]

Hardly. The point was that mass murderers appear to choose their targets intelligently, at least enough of the time for it to be taken under consideration, and one intending mass murder at a gun range wouldn't get very far.

One would think that a mass murderer at a military institution wouldn't get far either. But, woops, one did.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

What if we didn't have a constitution or bill of rights at all?

You should make a thread about that, this in't the place for a question like that. If our constitution was amended, as it has been in the past when it needed adjustment, to take away the right to have guns then we can all agree that would be okay, because it's the law.

 

[monchi-kun]

I was waiting for someone to post after Tapoizona before replying....it worked!

 

[empty vessel]

No need to employ armed police officers at every corner when you have a citizenry that overcomes its irrational fear of firearms and allows sane, responsible, law abiding trained individuals to carry them without exception. One of those darling teachers could have put this guy down and saved kids' lives.

And what do we do when that first sane, responsible, law abiding trained individual shoots a student? And what do we do the second time it happens? And what do we do when that sane, responsible, law abiding trained individual's gun is stolen by a student and that student shoots a kid? What do we do the second and third time that happens?

Arming teachers is a ridiculous fucking idea.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Fort Hood Shooting

Ethered

Terrorist attack. Better ban planes too.

 

[EatinOlives]

Terrorist attack. Better ban planes too.

Haven't flown anywhere in the last 12 years, have you?

Also, it's a shooting, plain and simple. Calling it a "terrorist attack" is an extremely weak argument of semantics that's intellectually vacuous.

 

[Dirtsaw]

I'd love to see some citations on this. I'm guessing this is a complete lie but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if provide some evidence. Hell, I'll even do the research for you if you just tell me what city and about what when this happened. I'll even apologize if I'm wrong, though I'm thinking it won't come to that.

Instead of an apology how about you change your avatar to pointing up:
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Killer-Had-Visited-Home-To-Deliver-Furniture-3270635.php

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Terrorist attack. Better ban planes too.

What would you call this shooting?