The endurance run is why I 1. love giant bomb and 2. care about persona
Giantbomb GOTY 2012 Thread: Videos, Top 10's, and podcasts lots and lots of podcasts.
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The endurance run is why I 1. love giant bomb and 2. care about persona
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thepotatoman
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Walking Dead didn't get enough flack for number 1 game of the year type deliberations. Save issues that can affect anyone, and completely ruin the list of choices in a game that is only about choices is far worse than having to occasionally restart a turn or messing up a mode that most people aren't going to play in Xcom.
Numerous terrible action and puzzle sequences throughout all episodes barely getting a mention, for number 1 game of the year type deliberations? The absolute terribleness in both story and logic that was the final antagonist barely getting a mention? The complete lack of logic in one of the more important choices at the end of episode 2? The overall lack of impact any of your choices made when mass effect 3 got hit for that exact same reason?
but is that really enough to consider it the number one game of the year?
Thank god they finished off with the right choice. I was really worried for a while there, especially after hearing Alex Nevaro being part of the final deliberations. I wonder if Jeff actually finished Walking Dead he would have brought some more sanity to the overall discussion.
Numerous terrible action and puzzle sequences throughout all episodes barely getting a mention, for number 1 game of the year type deliberations? The absolute terribleness in both story and logic that was the final antagonist barely getting a mention? The complete lack of logic in one of the more important choices at the end of episode 2? The overall lack of impact any of your choices made when mass effect 3 got hit for that exact same reason?
Ok maybe of the THREE games I played this year that had a death of a child (other two being Mass Effect 3 and Spec Ops), this one was most impactful,
Thank god they finished off with the right choice. I was really worried for a while there, especially after hearing Alex Nevaro being part of the final deliberations. I wonder if Jeff actually finished Walking Dead he would have brought some more sanity to the overall discussion.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Vincent in Catherine also has a Ham Radio license!
Anatoli Bacharach
Member
Patrick was out of his mind when he said TWD "is perfect on PS3". It wasn't aggressively broken, but also nowhere close to perfect. The frame rate is all over the place, and there are weird freezes between scenes that kind of kill the atmosphere.
The parodies were all amazing. Easily some of the best GB content ever. My favorite is the Hoarders one, because it's not all that far off from reality. Props to Jeff for being a good sport about it (and wearing a stained shirt).
Thank you Giant Bomb for another year craziness! <3
The parodies were all amazing. Easily some of the best GB content ever. My favorite is the Hoarders one, because it's not all that far off from reality. Props to Jeff for being a good sport about it (and wearing a stained shirt).
Thank you Giant Bomb for another year craziness! <3
Hot Coldman
Banned
welcome to every Telltale game ever
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah even on PC there were a few times where the characters were gone for a few seconds before popping in.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
I enjoyed the videos this year, but honestly, I preferred the low-rent green screen and prop absurdity of last year a lot more.
Ryan and Jeff were pretty impressive, though, granted.
Ryan and Jeff were pretty impressive, though, granted.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Alex's Second Best Games of 2012
http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/alex/alexs-second-best-games-of-2012/30-98491/
http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/alex/alexs-second-best-games-of-2012/30-98491/
Hah, ending is great.
StevePharma
Member
Wow. Sonic Racing and Mutant Blobs Attack are on his list? Thirty Flights on number 1!
Fuck yeah, sorry Jeff but this is the best list of 2012.
Man, what a twist at the end there!
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Nothing, just a biological imperative doing its thing. Use protection and get a surrogate pet if you don't want to submit to your purpose and accept your mortality yet.
shadyspace
Banned
Man that's a cute kid and usually kids suck at that age
Haunted
Member
Haha, what a cute ending.
Jaffe: *points to Twisted Metal t-shirt* "This is not your Game of the Year?"
Kid:"No..."
Jaffe: *exasperated* "WHAT THE-!"
Had me in stitches. Remember when everyone thought Little Big Planet could be this generation's Mario? Turns out some guy in Sweden made that instead. :bow Notch
Cool list overall. Thirty Flights of Loving is an interesting choice. I think it does some things really well, with its jump cuts, and capturing the dramatic arc of a heist movie/drama exceptionally well with limited time and budget... but game of the year. That's a bold choice.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
daemissary
Member
They obviously should've flipped Syndicate with either FTL or Hotline Miami but since no one else had played it besides Jeff, no one could adequate critique it.
That was my only problem with their discussions...if they knew Jeff was going to push for it then someone else really should've played it.
No, I don't think it was. It was pretty shocking and disappointing really. I don't give a shit about all the controversy it stirred up, it at least deserved some bit of recognition. Don't they at least look through their 5-star reviews as games they should mention?
Completely reminds me of Little Big Planet 2 last year. Incredible game, released in January of 2011, got a 5/5, yet the guys didn't mention it a single time during the entirety of their GotY podcasts last year.
I get that the best games should probably stand the test of time, but this is really the case where if the same games came out later in the year they'd be all over them. Especially when stuff like Syndicate was on their top-10 list.
Bubble Metropolis
Member
Three games that came out prior to Diablo III, including Syndicate, were on their top ten list. The other two are Journey and Mass Effect 3. Asura's Wrath was also released earlier in the year than Diablo III and it was mentioned all over the deliberations.
I think you're looking too much into the score, really. The five stars for Diablo III is essentially saying "Hey, if you like Diablo and want some more of it, then you need to get this game immediately." Those stars are not necessarily saying it's an amazing game for everyone. The stars they give out imply different things on a case by case basis. For me, being someone who was only somewhat interested in Diablo growing up, those five stars next to Diablo III mean very little. I'm sure it was a wonderful experience for people who are into that sort of thing, though.
Anatoli Bacharach
Member
I'm sure Dutch Slayer will be delighted to know that one of his gifs got used in this recap post on GB (and wrongly credited to some other GB user by the way).
This post is absolutely spot-on.
StevePharma
Member
While I agree with your post, you could pretty much say the same for XCom right? Or did that title somehow go all blue-ocean and not "fans of the genre"-good like you say happened for Diablo? I mean both sequels had a very, very long gestation time.
PS. I loved the original XCom and the new one too so I don't know how well the game was received by newcomers.
Newcomer to XCom style games. Holy Christ its a great game.
My girlfriend only ever plays the Sims. She LOVES playing XCom now.
The two games don't really meet at eye level. The new XCom reaches a much wider audience.
Thats exactly the case for Xcom. Several of the bombers clearly stated they didnt like Strategy games and yet XCOM managed to capture them.
XCOM managed to make a whole genre available to people. That is quiet a huge accomblishment.
Diablo III is not gonna change you if you hate hack n slash. It is simply a very good hack n slash. Nothing more nothing less.
What I do not understand is how Guild Wars 2 is not even in top 10. Especially with the reasoning behind ZombiU and Syndicate beeing there. Guild Wars 2 managed to reinvent the MMO genre. Much like WoW did 8 years ago.
chickdigger802
Banned
Jeff was like the only one that played it and he said he liked 1 better.
Yeah the first one was not even an MMO though. It was more of an online arena fighter. The most hardcore fans of the first dont really enjoy Guild Wars 2. As an MMO guild wars 2 is leaps and bounds better.
chickdigger802
Banned
As an mmo... I'm not sure if GW2 has the proper non pvp hooks.
the gear grind just doesn't hook me... and having pretty much most of your main combat skills down early on the game is weeeirrrd.
but I lvl up toons in mmos for new skills over new gear and dps, so it might just be me.
the gear grind just doesn't hook me... and having pretty much most of your main combat skills down early on the game is weeeirrrd.
but I lvl up toons in mmos for new skills over new gear and dps, so it might just be me.
Then all MMOs are terrible and dull to me I guess. I played GW mainly for PvE, and it was great for getting a crew together to go on instanced quests without having to deal with the tedious overworld stuff too much. It also went much lighter on the story, letting you focus on the action. I also had a Warrior / Ranger build that was almost unstoppable, but the character stuff in GW2 does nothing for me.
Yeah you get your weapon skills very early in game. Its a very bold move from Arenanet and I guess whether you like that or not depends on your taste.
The non pvp hooks are there in form of exploration and fractals aswell as personal story. However I agree non pvp is not as strong as it could be. The dungeons are great but it feels like Anet are struggling abit with their choise of having removed the holy MMO trinity.
However as a whole product it is still a massive step in the right direction and I believe it has moved MMO's from their stagnant state.
The removal of questgivers, the combat which is much more fluid and skill based then simply learning a standard rotation.
Having to learn a million skills and yet only needing to use 5 by the end of leveling is just silly to me.
GW2 is not heavy on story stuff though. Not if you dont want it to be. Its really up to you.
I am not saying its the perfect MMO, it has lots of issues. However on many areas it moves the genre in a new direction.
I'm not trying to say that Diablo 3 belongs on their top 10 list, but for the love of christ, you don't think it even deserved to be mentioned on the entire show?
Like I said above, it seems like the exact same situation as Little Big Planet 2 the previous year. Even if 5/5 doesn't mean "best game ever", you'd think all games scored so highly at least merit some discussion.
In fact, I think discussion about a 5/5 game that ultimately didn't make the cut at the end of the year could be hugely interesting.
Like I said above, it seems like the exact same situation as Little Big Planet 2 the previous year. Even if 5/5 doesn't mean "best game ever", you'd think all games scored so highly at least merit some discussion.
In fact, I think discussion about a 5/5 game that ultimately didn't make the cut at the end of the year could be hugely interesting.
StevePharma
Member
Indeed. I'm not sure if Torchlight II was mentioned as well though. Think what you want about Diablo 3, the game has its issues for sure, but what it did in the PC-market was fairly remarkable for this gen when there is so much stuff to play on a variety of systems. I mean literally everyone was talking about it.
But hey, it's the GB staff's list so it's their choice ultimately. To be fair D3 isn't in my top 10 list either even though I enjoyed it as much as I did this spring/summer.
Pachterballs
Banned
tried for years to listen to their GOTY podcasts and couldn't sit through them and this year, its no different. The GOTY final list was hemm hawwing for ages - I think I gave up when they were like "but this has a star" about an hour into the podcast. It was pretty grueling to sit through.
what would have been better if they had worked out what it was, then talk about the game - and then the ones who didn't make it. Format wise, it would have saved me from listening to a lot of "um, yeah.. I like this. cross that off the list, don't cross it off the list".
that said, good pick for GOTY (I went to their website to look at it).
what would have been better if they had worked out what it was, then talk about the game - and then the ones who didn't make it. Format wise, it would have saved me from listening to a lot of "um, yeah.. I like this. cross that off the list, don't cross it off the list".
that said, good pick for GOTY (I went to their website to look at it).
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I think it's partially the point though, it's their deliberation process, which is released for entertainment/transparency.
The written lists and GOTY videos are the results of that.
The written lists and GOTY videos are the results of that.
CambriaRising
Member
That's the point though. It's to allow the user to see the process of how they made their choices first hand.
Otherwise wtf at Mario 3D land. Without listening to them talk about it, no one could have understood how that appeared almost out of thin air.
New XCOM player here - That game absolutely goes beyond Diablo 3 in terms of appealing to people outside it's fanbase. I think it's great and I'm going to make other people buy it too, none of 'em strategy gamers.
As for the format, I like the transparency of how they come to all the decisions, it's why I listen. Still, it's not completely transparent though - Many games are raised and culled from the initial 'list' before podcast recording even starts, right? So that's probably where Diablo 3 ended up, because none of them felt strongly enough about it to include when the lists were already so long and full of incredible games.
As for the format, I like the transparency of how they come to all the decisions, it's why I listen. Still, it's not completely transparent though - Many games are raised and culled from the initial 'list' before podcast recording even starts, right? So that's probably where Diablo 3 ended up, because none of them felt strongly enough about it to include when the lists were already so long and full of incredible games.
LQX
Member
Just finished listening to all the podcasts. Cant say I disagree with them but man everyone seems to concede to anything Jeff says and Jeff seems to only concede on anything so not to look like a total asshole always getting his way. It's clear with Syndicate getting on the top ten list when he was the only one that played it (and maybe also Far Cry's being in the number 3 spot). Patrick is another one...he is so wishy-washy on his opinions anything he says should not even count.
And what the fuck at them totally overlooking Borderlands 2.
And what the fuck at them totally overlooking Borderlands 2.
Anatoli Bacharach
Member
I agree on Syndicate, that was all Jeff. Not Far Cry 3 though: They all like that game and Brad said it was the most fun he had all year.
Their Borderlands 2 treatment (or lack of) was not surprising at all. It wasn't overlooked, they guys probably just didn't think it was worth highlighting. They were all pretty down on that game around release, especially Jeff, who loved the first one.