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Conditional counterspell, bad smother, or a fateseal/mill thing?
........ I don't hate it.
Agree. We aren't at Prophecy levels of constructed unplayable, but man, hope you really like limited!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Dimir charm is awesome for reanimator. Can't wait to try that and mind grind out.
Uh, I like this.
divisionbyzorro
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Signal the Clans {R}{G} Rare
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Search your library for 3 creature cards and reveal them.
If you reveal 3 creature cards with different name, choose 1 card from them randomly and put it into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.
Something about the translation seems...off.
Because this card seems terrible.
Because it likely is. It's a random intuition-type effect.
Signal the Clans {R}{G} Rare
Instant
Search your library for 3 creature cards and reveal them.
If you reveal 3 creature cards with different name, choose 1 card from them randomly and put it into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.
Intuition doesn't really work without anything hitting the 'yard.
Signal the Clans {R}{G} Rare
Instant
Search your library for 3 creature cards and reveal them.
If you reveal 3 creature cards with different name, choose 1 card from them randomly and put it into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.
Picture for you. The translation is definitely iffy, so we'll see where it ends up.
divisionbyzorro
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I thought so at first too, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the translation is likely spot-on. The "hidden zone" rule forces them to template this card this way to make it work they way they want it to.
It's a strange card. The question is what kind of deck is really full of such redundant cards that could realistically put together a package of three and always be happy with the result? Could a Pod deck somehow find a way to make this work (and have reason to run it over Chord of Calling)? Or is it just straight-up terrible?
I think the wording has to be weird like that so that you can't get around it by only searching up 1 creature. In Limited it will be good. And I can assume that's something you'd want in Commander what with everything being a one of.
Edit: Also, weird. I was seeing that pic fine. That's what I get for direct linking.
Edit: Also, weird. I was seeing that pic fine. That's what I get for direct linking.
narcosis219
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Well, a 2 cmc instant speed tutor should have a draw back. Seems to work in the red sense of randomness.
Janky, but a tutor is a tutor, and this one is cheap enough and instant speed so it's not terrible at all.
In some decks, you just have creatures that are of a particular role. I'd imagine this is to find your 3/4/5cmc slot/finisher creature to play on the next turn in a mid range/ramp deck. If you have, say, huntsmaster, silverblade, and sublime in your deck, pick those three and i'm sure you'll be fine with any of the three you end up with. Granted, those are off colour creatures in my example (hard to come up with gruul color creatures), but my point is, you're fetching something that fleshes out a role. It will not work well in decks that are combo that look for a specific card.
Janky, but a tutor is a tutor, and this one is cheap enough and instant speed so it's not terrible at all.
In some decks, you just have creatures that are of a particular role. I'd imagine this is to find your 3/4/5cmc slot/finisher creature to play on the next turn in a mid range/ramp deck. If you have, say, huntsmaster, silverblade, and sublime in your deck, pick those three and i'm sure you'll be fine with any of the three you end up with. Granted, those are off colour creatures in my example (hard to come up with gruul color creatures), but my point is, you're fetching something that fleshes out a role. It will not work well in decks that are combo that look for a specific card.
6 mana for a sorcery speed cackling counterpart?
I mean I know Cipher is strong, but really?
The clone gets encoded. It needs to be that expensive.
6 mana for a sorcery speed cackling counterpart?
I mean I know Cipher is strong, but really?
divisionbyzorro
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The article references Thundermaw Hellkite specifically. That's not an unreasonable creature to be scared of people duplicating twice in a turn.
Seems fun. Plus the art is excellent. I'll take 10 Foils please.
Copying Thundermaw the turn you play it would take 11 mana with double red and double blue. In magical christmas land maybe.
Omni-deck it!
Uh, what? It's that you can copy yours (from T5) or theirs and get 2 in a turn.
divisionbyzorro
Member
So far they seem to be doing exactly what I thought they would do with Cipher: overcost the Cipher cards to push them out of constructed playability because they're afraid of them.
narcosis219
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How about biovisionary?
I could see it being one way to force multiple copies. That and cackling.
I could see it being one way to force multiple copies. That and cackling.
This is probably the correct approach.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah. Kind of a shame, really. If they're too scared of a mechanic to make it playable, they should've stuck with their original Dimir mechanic for Gatecrah that they were planning. Or made a mechanic they weren't so concerned about.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
This will go great in my animar EDH deck.
divisionbyzorro
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This will go great in my animar EDH deck.
It feels very much like they wanted to print a tutor that would only ever be playable in EDH.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
If you've got a way to pitch a card could it somehow work in a reanimator deck? I have no idea what the current reanimator meta looks like. Turn one mana dork, turn two this tutor, turn three a way to pitch, turn four rites? It would allow you to run less of the big guys and focus more on hitting the curve
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
This is true. Blue even has instant speed creature removal for 1cmc, something black can't have anymore because it's too powerful!
Derp.
True, but the thing about that spell is that when I'm playing blue, a 3/3 on my opponeny's field is just as big or bigger than anything else I'm dropping. At least with Beast Within I was playing green, and could easily out fight a 3/3 on my opponent's field with any number of my typically larger creatures.
So any old blue deck can't just toss this into their list without first thinking about the consequences involved with handing them a 3/3. It's probably better than the alternative if you're having to remove it, but it's still something to think about.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
A 3/3 non-evasive token scares nobody. Especially not in this meta with bouncing, Tamiyo, Jace, unsummon, etc. Blue having an instant speed 1 mana removal is absurd when the best black has is 3cmc at the moment.
I'm not upset at it, but it does annoy me when they'll go on to talk about what red can't do because it's "not in the color pie." I get that Polymorph was a thing. But black had counterspells, too.
The modern way of deciphering the color pie says blue shouldn't have instant speed creature removal for 1cmc. And yet, it doesn't surprise that the color that gets the benefit of breaking the mold most often is, once again, blue.
But hey, bring back terror and we'll talk.
But hey, bring back terror and we'll talk.
Isn't terror just a worse Doom Blade? I guess the non regeneration clause is nice but... yea.
A 3/3 non-evasive token scares nobody. Especially not in this meta with bouncing, Tamiyo, Jace, unsummon, etc. Blue having an instant speed 1 mana removal is absurd when the best black has is 3cmc at the moment.
I'm not upset at it, but it does annoy me when they'll go on to talk about what red can't do because it's "not in the color pie." I get that Polymorph was a thing. But black had counterspells, too.
The modern way of deciphering the color pie says blue shouldn't have instant speed creature removal for 1cmc. And yet, it doesn't surprise that the color that gets the benefit of breaking the mold most often is, once again, blue.
But hey, bring back terror and we'll talk.
The bolded is especially true. But hey, at least Ponder isn't in the format any more and Delver decks have bit the dust. This would have been insane in one of those.
You'd settle for Terror when we just had Go for the Throat and Doom Blade? If blue gets Pongify black should have Doom Blade no questions asked. This blue card, IMO, shouldn't exist.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Fuck, y'all are right. Terror is non-black, non-artifact, isn't it? (at work)
Okay, so amend that to a fixed 2cmc creature removal.
Okay, so amend that to a fixed 2cmc creature removal.
You are still 2for1ing yourself.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I hate Blue because Snapcaster Mage was originally going to be Red.
NovemberMike
Member
Right, but that's not that relevant. Some of blue's best cards are 2 for 1s, blue can make it up with card advantage in other places.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Only if that 3/3 vanilla really worries you that much. In most cases it just won't.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Isn't tragic slip still running around though?
From what I understand it was submitted as a blue card, the design team wanted to change it to red, but in respect to the player who designed it, they kept it blue as he originally drew it up. Is this incorrect?
Keru_Shiri
Member
I was under the impression that it was originally a red card, but you may be right. The blurb I read didn't mention what color the card was when it was originally submitted.
Either way the card should be red.
I think you're correct. Tiago wanted a blue card and Maro has since said he wished they had switched it to Red.
Uhh, wow.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/4843750
One of those decklists is not like the others.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/4843750
One of those decklists is not like the others.
Not true. Rosewater wishes he had asked them to move it to red.
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