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June 15-16, Cincinnati, Ohio

USA's Largest VSAV event

REGISTRATION
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-Weekend Pass-
$30, which includes automatic entry into tournaments as listed below. You also receive unlimited access to games at Arcade Legacy for the entire weekend.

SATURDAY (DEATH)
Dante’s Inferno Single Elimination Qualifiers – Automatic Entry
Rookies’ Tournament – Selected Entry
Veterans’ Team Tournament (3-Man) – Selected Entry

SUNDAY (REBIRTH)
Vampire Hunter – Automatic Entry
Vampire Savior – Automatic Entry

EXHIBITIONS
Character Specialist 8v8
High Stakes Exhibition
Grudge Matches

SIDE TOURNAMENTS (subject to change and expansion)
Windjammers - Entry Fee TBA
Street Fighter Alpha 2 - Entry Fee TBA
Guilty Gear Accent Core +R - Entry Fee TBA
X-Men vs Street Fighter - Entry Fee TBA

PAYOUT & BONUS
TBA

SCHEDULE
TBA

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[Naar]

IMO they just lack experience. The American community is so tight knit. People play each other all the time, cross-country. Quite literally all the time. Every week someone has a shot at playing the best in the world, tech innovators and vets of the franchise and adapting, and that allows those that are at the top to counter adapt.

Honestly, it's hard to call something a gimmick in Marvel, because the team matters so much and so does the player behind it. Consider NerdJosh and Omniscythe playing Chris G's current team months ago, but not making nearly the buzz or effectiveness that Chris G is with it. You can have the greatest MorriDoom theory counter team in the world but if you've never played dude, you probably won't get very far (look at Moons), which is what makes those international players doing so well so impressive. I think if Alioune, Zak Bennett and Frieda played with Americans often you would see even faster evolution of the metagame and even more threats added to the pool of Marvel killers.

My dream Marvel match is still MarlinPie vs. Kusoru, though I find it saddening Kusoru probably won't visit the US again anytime soon.

Yea it's lack of playing with multiple people/teams experience that internationals lack vs Americans in Marvel.

That's why we are trying to send as many players in Kuwait to international events to get the experience. We don't lack skill, just the experience.

Perfect example of this was at KBR where Mysterious played FT10 in Marvel vs Justin and champ.

He was able to beat Justin something like 5-10 I think. But Champ just destroyed Mysterious 10-0 lol

The one thing Mysterious kept saying is that he had no experience playing against a phoenix of Champs caliber, while he said Justin plays similar to us and why he could win against Justin.

We have 1 or 2 players who play the exact same team as Champ, but no where near his skill and Mysterious got destroyed trying to play champ as if he was playing the local players (was the only experience he had with that kind of team)

 

[BiggNife]

AE
Marvel
TTT2
Persona
Injustice

For a while I've been saying PSASBR because of Sony's sponsorship, but that game has floundered so hard in the competitive scene that I can't even believe it myself anymore. The nerd rage would be hilarious, though.

I think Persona has a better chance of getting in than KOF. I don't think BlazBlue is likely because the evo organizers and aksys don't seem to have a very good relationship.

I STRONGLY doubt Marvel could top AE for the headliner. AE still has more international appeal, and international appeal is the whole point of EVO.

 

[sleepykyo]

I don't know how some of you don't see how international Marvel has become. We're far removed from it being American-only affair, though America does still have the best players because of the history there. This Evo is gonna be Marvel's coming out party as a truly international game, imo.

Sales predominantly concentrated in the Americas, no arcade release (yes, yes dying market) in Asian countries and awful netcode.

If Marvel gets the most numbers of physical attendants by all means. Otherwise nothing really favors Marvel being the main event other than being the US's feel good game. No Olympic atmosphere, no additional sales on steam, no IPL tie in, etc.

The stream monsters' champion can stay the champ regardless of when it shows and having Marvel before AE lets the east coast go to sleep earlier. Think of it Marvel being prime time and AE being the late shows if helps.

 

[enzo_gt]

Sales predominantly concentrated in the Americas, no arcade release (yes, yes dying market) in Asian countries and awful netcode.

If Marvel gets the most numbers of physical attendants by all means. Otherwise nothing really favors Marvel being the main event other than being the US's feel good game. No Olympic atmosphere, no additional sales on steam, no IPL tie in, etc.

The stream monsters' champion can stay the champ regardless of when it shows and having Marvel before AE lets the east coast go to sleep earlier. Think of it Marvel being prime time and AE being the late shows if helps.

Have we ever even got sales numbers outside US for UMvC3?

SF will always be the main event because its more international than ever and still more than Marvel. Also it has a broader appeal, which you need for those inflated EVO viewer counts. I don't think you need an international/Olympic atmosphere, but it sure helps.

And Marvel is the viewers champion at the moment, not just the stream monsters. AE being after Marvel doesn't mean much anyways when they stream most of the Marvel bracket and maybe top 4 of AE. Pretty sure Marvel consistently gets more viewers than AE at majors.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Kusoru is in the top tier of frauds though, alongside Infiltration, Chris G and Viscant.

I'm serious, he sucks.

 

[Conceited]

Sales predominantly concentrated in the Americas, no arcade release (yes, yes dying market) in Asian countries and awful netcode.

If Marvel gets the most numbers of physical attendants by all means. Otherwise nothing really favors Marvel being the main event other than being the US's feel good game. No Olympic atmosphere, no additional sales on steam, no IPL tie in, etc.

The stream monsters' champion can stay the champ regardless of when it shows and having Marvel before AE lets the east coast go to sleep earlier. Think of it Marvel being prime time and AE being the late shows if helps.

Yep, just like last year people were thinking Marvel was gonna be the headlining game, and just like last year it probably won't be. AE always pulls the most entrants and top level international AE is more exciting/uncommon/interesting to watch (even if the venue crowd dies when America is out) than Ultimate America VS. America 3 the video game.

In terms of excitement, AE had a pretty weak top 8 last year and Marvel had a strong one, but Marvels top 8 was weak (aside from GF) in 2011 and AE's was amazing, so it's really a coin toss as to which has the "better" close out for the tournament and thus being the most deserving of the headliner spot.

 

[sleepykyo]

Have we ever even got sales numbers outside US for UMvC3?

SF will always be the main event because its more international than ever and still more than Marvel. Also it has a broader appeal, which you need for those inflated EVO viewer counts. I don't think you need an international/Olympic atmosphere, but it sure helps.

And Marvel is the viewers champion at the moment, not just the stream monsters. AE being after Marvel doesn't mean much anyways when they stream most of the Marvel bracket and maybe top 4 of AE. Pretty sure Marvel consistently gets more viewers than AE at majors.

You're right, I should have used viewers instead.

As for the specific numbers? Not that I know of. Just a general concentration.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...beat-ssf4s-sales-covers-net-code-differences/

SSFIV sold more in the same window. UMVC3 I would expect to have long legs. We ship a more every week and the North American market is the lion's share of the world wide volume.

So it sold less SSF4 and most of the sales were concentrated, sounds like a pretty weak presence on the eastern hemisphere to me.

I'm serious, he sucks.

How does that make him a fraud though? I was under assumption that he doesn't consider himself one of the best UMvC3 players and the guy doesn't play to win anyway. He just likes playing anime games from GG to Fist of the North Star to Marvel.

 

[Karsticles]

Yep, just like last year people were thinking Marvel was gonna be the headlining game, and just like last year it probably won't be. AE always pulls the most entrants and top level international AE is more exciting/uncommon/interesting to watch (even if the venue crowd dies when America is out) than Ultimate America VS. America 3 the video game.

In terms of excitement, AE had a pretty weak top 8 last year and Marvel had a strong one, but Marvels top 8 was weak (aside from GF) in 2011 and AE's was amazing, so it's really a coin toss as to which has the "better" close out for the tournament and thus being the most deserving of the headliner spot.

Huh. I felt the opposite about AE and Marvel. 2012 Marvel was just okay, but 2011 had the legendary Tron Bonne comeback against Dark Phoenix to reset the bracket. Viscant winning was a major upset, JWong got perfected, giving us the Seth Killian mindfuck gif, etc. I don't remember anything special from 2012 except for ChrisG fucking up because he wanted to be fancy and try a glitch he was still learning to win a match.

I'm serious, he sucks.

Fraud =/= sucks, FYI.

 

[Chavelo]

I'm serious, he sucks.

I vote for Panda to start a kickstarter to fund Kusoru's airplane bill to EVO 2013 just so he can he was right.

 

[Conceited]

Huh. I felt the opposite about AE and Marvel. 2012 Marvel was just okay, but 2011 had the legendary Tron Bonne comeback against Dark Phoenix to reset the bracket. Viscant winning was a major upset, JWong got perfected, giving us the Seth Killian mindfuck gif, etc. I don't remember anything special from 2012 except for ChrisG fucking up because he wanted to be fancy and try a glitch he was still learning to win a match.

That's why I said aside from GF, the 2011 Marvel GF was hype as fuck, but the rest of top 8 was pretty forgettable compared to AE that year (Marvel had pretty exciting pools though). Poongko perfecting Daigo was the biggest EVO moment in the past 5 years at least, not to mention Fuudo's OS ultra and Latif's awesome run.

EVO 2011 was infinitely better than 2012 on the whole though.

 

[Horseress]

I vote for Panda to start a kickstarter to fund Kusoru's airplane bill to EVO 2013 just so he can he was right.

Panda should bring Kusoru to EVO just to prove him a fraud, just like Jago did

 

[A Pretty Panda]

IF YOU LOSE TO VIEWTIFUL JOE YOU SHOULD STOP PLAYING VIDEOGAMES

 

[Conceited]

KOF was the most hype game at EVO 2012 so it should headline this year.

 

[Venfayth]

KOF last year was hot.

 

[TheChits]

KOF was the most hype game at EVO 2012 so it should headline this year.

KOF and the Tourament of Legends were the highlights for me

 

[Malice215]

Where's the hype at for KOF after EVO was over? Even Seasons Beatings with the same players had no hype. What gives?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Triforce spouting nonsense was my highlight of last year's EVO.

 

[El Sloth]

I want to see Bala's revenge matches against the CafeID guys.

 

[sleepykyo]

I want to see Bala's revenge matches against the CafeID guys.

He already had some of them at the following WNFs.

 

[notworksafe]

KOF and the Tourament of Legends were the highlights for me

Yep. ST was the best event of EVO last year for me.

 

[enzo_gt]

Where's the hype at for KOF after EVO was over? Even Seasons Beatings with the same players had no hype. What gives?

The game had the quickest and most silent death in terms of stream exposure. Last I heard CafeID guys were quitting it, and everything else went silent around the same time coincidentally.

 

[X-Factor]

SSFII HD Remix
and
Mortal Kombat

were removed from these tournaments? What decides which games make the cut?

 

[biosnake20]

Was Chris G really talking all that shit in the chat?

 

[El Sloth]

He already had some of them at the following WNFs.

Doesn't matter if it isn't on the big stage.

 

[GeoNeo]

Was Chris G really talking all that shit in the chat?

Yes.

Dudes Ego is mandingo size. His social skills are lacking too. Reminds me of Fchamp keystone II era...it's all about him his skill and the win. Now days Fchamp does a ton to help level up his local scene and overall is a lot more hmm let's say chill. Maybe in due time you'll see Chris go down the same path.

P.s Sandford Is cool I like him. But he is clearly a fucking salty jackass. (Hearing him complain when he was losing to bum in ae smh) The yang to Yipes' yin.

 

[Shito]

Where's the hype at for KOF after EVO was over? Even Seasons Beatings with the same players had no hype. What gives?

All of KOF hype was absorbed and vanished by its online mode, methinks.

 

[atomic moth]

EVO will have Tekken and somewhere ST will be played. That is all I need.

 

[Loona]

The game had the quickest and most silent death in terms of stream exposure. Last I heard CafeID guys were quitting it, and everything else went silent around the same time coincidentally.

Last I read they were heading to Japan for a KoF event taking place there.

 

[SolarPowered]

The game had the quickest and most silent death in terms of stream exposure. Last I heard CafeID guys were quitting it, and everything else went silent around the same time coincidentally.

Seriously

I've never seen a game fall as quickly as KOF did. Skullgirls had a really steep drop, but damn. KOF kinda just jumped off the grand canyon in comparison.

 

[alstein]

Where's the hype at for KOF after EVO was over? Even Seasons Beatings with the same players had no hype. What gives?

Persona coming out shortly after EVO took many of the newer players, and KOF is a very high maintenance game, so when you quit, you tend to not come back.

I remember predicting this about seven months ago.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

How can I lose?

 

[LakeEarth]

Awesome pic. Too bad those things are rigged. Their hand grip strength is not consistant. A person can set them up like a slot machine.

 

[Stabby McSter]

Awesome pic. Too bad those things are rigged. Their hand grip strength is not consistant. A person can set them up like a slot machine.

A long time ago, a friend and I tried to win some shit through those stupid stacker games. We considered the 1/500 chance that it won't rig it and kept going, thinking we'd eventually hit that 1/500.

We lost a ton of money.

 

[Rice-Eater]

Hey if they want to make Marvel the headliner over SSF4, I'd be perfectly fine with that. You minions can have the late night shift, I don't want to deal with that again

I fully expect SF4 to have more players and viewers as long as it doesn't come on at 2AM in the morning again, but I think it's fine if the game took a backseat to Marvel. I guess everybody's fear with SF4 is if someone like Infiltration bulldozes the rest of the competitors again. Then it becomes a borefest. Marvel doesn't seem to have that problem because it's always hype regardless of the outcome(it seems that way). Whatever time slot it's given, I just hope it can entertain this year unlike last year. SF25 and Shadowloo Showdown top 8 were the best SF4 top 8's from last year(except when Infil destroyed Daigo), far better than EVO top 8.

 

[toddhunter]

Yeah, Marvel works best going on last for a bit of mindless fun. AE should be on earlier and be at least top 16 so there is time to build to something.

Having said that, especially considering TTT2 is there, it is going to be a long, long day. Kof was more than bad enough in terms of length and it may still be there as well.

There are only so many hours you can watch and stay hype.

 

[FSLink]

I don't remember anything special from 2012 except for ChrisG fucking up because he wanted to be fancy and try a glitch he was still learning to win a match.

Was he actually trying the Kubota escape? I don't remember reading if he said that was why he hard tagged.

 

[Malice215]

Doesn't matter if it isn't on the big stage.

The runback happened at Seasons Beatings and not only was it a beating, but it had no hype at all. I see all these people on the internet hyped about KOF EVO finals but not the runback? They need to stop fronting.

All of KOF hype was absorbed and vanished by its online mode, methinks.

I think people were hyped that someone from Korea that most people never heard of won EVO and for the crowd monsters in the background, but not to actually play KOF. If they were actually hyped for the game, then it wouldn't have fallen off the map after having so much momentum behind it.

Persona coming out shortly after EVO took many of the newer players, and KOF is a very high maintenance game, so when you quit, you tend to not come back.

I remember predicting this about seven months ago.

People usually quit games once EVO is over, so I guess that's the case. I know alot of the Asians quit KOF for AE because it's more popular. I want to see KOF at EVO because there's room to feature more than 6 games and because I hate this popularity contest every year, but I don't want to see a game that's been having low turnouts for a long time over one with better numbers.

 

[Professor Beef]

Was he actually trying the Kubota escape? I don't remember reading if he said that was why he hard tagged.

He said he was trying to time his tag during Doom's hyper when it rained down, but couldn't do it. Never even attempted to do the Escape Glitch once.

 

[sleepykyo]

Doesn't matter if it isn't on the big stage.

Skill wise it matters a lot. With IPL coming I wouldn't be suprised to see the CafeID KoF crowd shrink and practice the IPL games.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

The only person I've seen use Kubota escape in tournament is one of the Team Hazmat guys. Angelic I think? The one who plays Nemesis.

 

[enzo_gt]

RE: Sanford rant v2013

I kinda agree with Sanford. Chris G does pick other teams because he's bored on the top and doesn't NEED to go to sessions. Sanford says it best, "He doesn't need to go to sessions to prepare himself for tournaments, because he has already proven himself IN tournaments." Chris G has also said this before, he goes to 4 weeklies, we does he need to run sets? Want to run sets with Chris G? Go to Salty Battles or The Break. Chris G is going to do even less casual sets if he can let people run sets with him as a way to promote the Salty Battles weekly. It just doesn't help that Sanford has a Yipes bias and has to kinda give backhanded compliments to Chris G while insinuating he's not "really" the best.

Kinda out of line what Chris G said though, I think Bum is making a big deal about him not coming over, but Chris G's response was unnecessary since Sanford never really took shots at Chris G. And if Chris G actually called East Coast ass, said he un-downloadable and downloading does not exist, most east coast can't beat west coast and thinks everyone is giving him shit for being good, he's got it twisted. Dude can't take the pressure at the top and keep his composure.

With everything else Sanford said is 110% right, and Chris G pretty much has no good reason to be mad at him. People complaining about him winning? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I like Flux, but he got kind of exposed too, you pick a top tier and your STILL losing to him the same way every time, learn to swap out a character or something.

Bum pandering for him to win with his Ryu team, and trying to tell Chris G why he picked his team was kind of dumb though. Got a bit silly as it tailed off.

EDIT: Just as I post this, shit got really heated again.

 

[Deps]

KOF died down for a lot of reasons. Personally I quit because I got tired of having to drive 6 hours to get any kind of play vs people. TTT2 is similar in my area, the only game that gets played here is AE, but at least with Tekken I can still play people due to amazing netcode.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

I think Bum had a good point in that ChrisG's team and playstyle really minimizes any randomness that might cost him a game. It's pretty hard to hit ChrisG with a happy birthday or guard cancel x-factor, or to land that first hit with Zero to go into lightning loops.

 

[enzo_gt]

Alukard also made a good point, Chris Gs team needs precision to beat, and the TVs at Big Two are laggy as shit, meaning a lot of the folks who want to go, can't if they play precision characters. I'm not saying this is everything, but it is a factor. Can't Henry get like one lagless TV? That one TV could get Alukard, Bum and Yipes to go every week.

I think Bum had a good point in that ChrisG's team and playstyle really minimizes any randomness that might cost him a game. It's pretty hard to hit ChrisG with a happy birthday or guard cancel x-factor, or to land that first hit with Zero to go into lightning loops.

This was a great point too.

EDIT: Holy shit Sanford just went into rage mode and told everyone in the room they are ass. This shit needs to go on YT ASAP.

 

[SolarPowered]

How can I lose?

Just perfect

It amazes me that someone didn't think of this sooner.

The runback happened at Seasons Beatings and not only was it a beating, but it had no hype at all. I see all these people on the internet hyped about KOF EVO finals but not the runback? They need to stop fronting.

KOF @ The Runback vs East Coast= 8-2 matchup

Dat match length and late night viewing is like SFIV 2012 EVO GFs, but week in and week out. I personally settled for IPW stream archives with Haunts and Hellpockets since they were also putting out a ton of CvS2 footage. That was the good stuff.

People usually quit games once EVO is over, so I guess that's the case. I know alot of the Asians quit KOF for AE because it's more popular. I want to see KOF at EVO because there's room to feature more than 6 games and because I hate this popularity contest every year, but I don't want to see a game that's been having low turnouts for a long time over one with better numbers.

Do you consider room and time the same thing? It seems like time is a big factor here.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

If I listen to that Sanford rant will I have to hear Alukard talk?

 

[toddhunter]

Do you consider room and time the same thing? It seems like time is a big factor here.

Correct.

Persona Top 8: 8am - 10am
KOF Top 8: 10am - 2pm
TTT2 Top 4: 2pm - 9pm
AE Top 8: 9pm - 11:30pm
Marvel Top 8: 11:30pm - 2:00am

Makes it a long day and that is only five games.

 

[Infinite]

I'm dying listening to Sanford's real talk. He's kinda right though tough love and all that.

 

[Busaiku]

KOF @ The Runback vs East Coast= 8-2 matchup

Dat match length and late night viewing is like SFIV 2012 EVO GFs, but week in and week out. I personally settled for IPW stream archives with Haunts and Hellpockets since they were also putting out a ton of CvS2 footage. That was the good stuff.

He's talking about MadKOF and Lacid at Season's Beatings Ascension.

Persona Top 8: 8am - 10am
KOF Top 8: 10am - 2pm
TTT2 Top 4: 2pm - 9pm
AE Top 8: 9pm - 11:30pm
Marvel Top 8: 11:30pm - 2:00am

I'm laughing way more than I should.