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[scytheavatar]

I sorta agree but seeing you guys go in circles about it was infuriating. When BBCP comes out I'll be playing it but to be honest I have not seen a level of support for BB like I have seen for P4a for every incarnation of it. I'm a bit wary.

That's primary because the old BB games sucked and people didn't have a lot of fun with those stupid hit pauses making the game super slow paced. BB:CP promises to play a lot closer to P4A, possibly at a faster pace than even P4A.

 

[Ragingnight]

air dash, barier block which is like push blocking, and alpha counters and cancels. Not really complex

Well for a person that plays mainly capcom games or tekken games I can see how they can say that.

I mean there is OMC, OMB, gold burst, blue burst, alpha counter, roll, short hop, awakening, persona cards, and then the whole debuff thing.

edit

shit forgot about air turn which probably mind fucked a good portion of players.

 

[QisTopTier]

That's primary because the old BB games sucked and people didn't have a lot of fun with those stupid hit pauses making the game super slow paced. BB:CP promises to play a lot closer to P4A, possibly at a faster pace than even P4A.

It's faster than P4A with the exception of a match ending as the damage is lower and paced better.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Well One More is basically X-factor and other than the gold/blue burst the others are all in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Darkstalkers has a bunch of them as well.

 

[Busaiku]

That's primary because the old BB games sucked and people didn't have a lot of fun with those stupid hit pauses making the game super slow paced. BB:CP promises to play a lot closer to P4A, possibly at a faster pace than even P4A.

And that's why I also brought up Guilty Gear, which didn't have those problems, but might still not have been as big, relatively, as Persona 4 Arena was in the last 6 months.

And it goes back to the case of simplicity, which turns some people off, but I believe has brought in a lot more people that I just can't see Chrono Phantasma replicating.
I mean Uncle Valle explicitly said that he plays the game cause it's easy to get into.

 

[QisTopTier]

Capcom games have a bunch of shit to them I don't know where that idea that they dont comes from. They are just hidden under shit, where arc games have it out there for everyone so it can seem overwhelming

 

[Infinite]

That's primary because the old BB games sucked and people didn't have a lot of fun with those stupid hit pauses making the game super slow paced. BB:CP promises to play a lot closer to P4A, possibly at a faster pace than even P4A.

Despite P4a being shallow (imo and this is due partly because the cast is pretty small) it's still more fun for me than BB up until this point.

 

[Professor Beef]

Well One More is basically X-factor and other than the gold/blue burst the others are all in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

So naturally, nobody has ever encountered them before!

 

[kirblar]

Despite P4a being shallow (imo and this is due partly because the cast is pretty small) it's still more fun for me than BB up until this point.

They just have very limited movesets. You don't get the creativity/exploration you do in other games.

 

[Busaiku]

Well One More is basically X-factor and other than the gold/blue burst the others are all in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Darkstalkers has a bunch of them as well.

One More is FADC.

 

[Ragingnight]

Capcom games have a bunch of shit to them I don't know where that idea that they dont comes from. They are just hidden under shit, where arc games have it out there for everyone so it can seem overwhelming

wasn't there some just-frame shit for something like OMC? fuck I can't believe I don't remember.

edit

That what it was called Roman Cancel. holy fuck

 

[SousedLouse]

One More is FADC.

Ugh, Roman Cancel. Don't use terms from Capcom games just to keep the theme going; there's no dashing animation nonsense to deal with when you use One More!

 

["God's Beard!"]

One More is FADC.

no dash cancel and one more burst resets damage scaling

 

[smurfx]

What the...

I think most people's complains until now have been specifically centered around the idea that Capcom has too much influence lol.

so many people here thought it wouldn't be included at evo.

 

[Busaiku]

Ugh, Roman Cancel. C'mon Busaiku, you should know this! There's no dashing animation nonsense to deal with when you use One More!

This is in relation to Capcom games.

no dash cancel and one more burst resets damage scaling

I guess that's true.

 

[QisTopTier]

wasn't there some just-frame shit for something like OMC? fuck I can't believe I don't remember.

In guilty gear? It was the false roman cancels. Those were sorta hidden in the arcade release although they had guides with frame data for them. training mode in the home versions had a blue flash on the input bar for the timings though making it not hidden for the home release.

 

[kirblar]

so many people here thought it wouldn't be included at evo.

We didn't think they'd do 7 games. It was #7 on my list of expected games, but I cut at 6.

 

[Ragingnight]

In guilty gear? It was the false roman cancels. Those were sorta hidden in the arcade release although they had guides with frame data for them. training mode in the home versions had a blue flash on the input bar for the timings though making it not hidden for the home release.

Yeah that. I was never big into GG/BB but I knew there was something.

The one thing P4A hammered in me (since I never really played GG/BB) was that you don't want to get counter hit. Holy fuck if you got counter hit by certain moves in that game you straight up died.

 

["God's Beard!"]

The one thing P4A hammered in me (since I never really played GG/BB) was that you don't want to get counter hit. Holy fuck if you got counter hit by certain moves in that game you straight up died.

Counter hits are so good in P4A.

 

[vocab]

Capcom games have a bunch of shit to them I don't know where that idea that they dont comes from. They are just hidden under shit, where arc games have it out there for everyone so it can seem overwhelming

Yup. Darkstalkers has a lot of shit I didn't know about, and it seems so basic on the surface. I didn't even know pursuit attacks even existed till I found the main learning resource. Blew my mind that jackie chan mechanics made there way into a capcom game.

 

[Ragingnight]

Counter hits are so good in P4A.

Basically. In other games I was just like "ehh I fucked up and felt for a frame trap. I'll eat this normal combo".

P4A was like. "O FUCK FATAL COUNTER!?!? BURST BURST BURST!"

 

[kirblar]

Capcom games have a bunch of shit to them I don't know where that idea that they dont comes from. They are just hidden under shit, where arc games have it out there for everyone so it can seem overwhelming

This is one of my major gripes about FADC cancels. Tag Cancels in SFxT are intuitive. FADCs are not.

 

[QisTopTier]

If I could teach Prototype to be about on par with me in a month after he never really played 2d fighters ever. Im pretty sure arc sys games are not too complex.

Edit: MENT MONTH NOT WEEK

 

[vocab]

This is one of my major gripes about FADC cancels. Tag Cancels in SFxT are intuitive. FADCs are not.

Seth Killian told me all I need to do was hit two buttons, it's so easy!

 

[Ragingnight]

If I could teach Prototype to be about on par with me in a week after he never really played 2d fighters ever. Im pretty sure arc sys games are not too complex.

maybe its prototype being good at fighters lol. I tried to teach people the basic of P4A and they felt like there was just too much shit to learn.

 

[QisTopTier]

maybe its prototype being good at fighters lol. I tried to teach people the basic of P4A and they felt like there was just too much shit to learn.

He's smart we debate about tons of stuffs these days fighting game wise. but trust me he FUCKING SUCKED BAD at first. If you can find the write up god's did after playing me about how I am in fighters. proto is pretty much the same way. Just with his own playstyle.

No but seriously when BBCP comes out I'll host lessons for gaffers this time around. I just gotta brush up on my teaching skills as most of my playing comes from instinct on the spot.

 

[Infinite]

I liked that arc games had additional sub systems and options you have with meter.

 

[toddhunter]

I still can't believe they would be dumb enough to release P4A in PAL land as is. I expect a 2013 update with say Yukari, junpei, fox and shinjiro soon. PAL people get a dlc code with the game.

Given it comes with balance changes and the like, it could be really good.

At least that is what I would do given the opportunity.

 

[QisTopTier]

I liked that arc games had additional sub systems and options you have with meter.

They are there to make it so everyone has a counter to something even if their move set doesn't hold one. They are normally minor though and they are there to just give them a small chance than no chance

 

[Conceited]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

 

["God's Beard!"]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

motown

 

[jbug617]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

I listen to podcasts while playing.

 

[SolarPowered]

so many people here thought it wouldn't be included at evo.

True

That had more to do with the game than Capcom's influence though.

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

Guilty Gear all the time and it stings. I can't believe how shitty that HD port was.

 

[toddhunter]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

I just loop this:

http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=Cf_qfX9cKsQ

 

[QisTopTier]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

http://chiptune.rainwave.cc/

 

[Solune]

what music do you guys listen to while playing at home? i swear Taylor Swift is making me a better AE player.

I don't listen to music while playing games as I prefer to listen to in game music. If I'm training though, it's gotta be progressive or instrumental.

https://soundcloud.com/sarah-howells/first-state-ft-sarah-howells

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsoGFNWh84Q

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Since I have little else with which to entertain myself at 3AM, I went ahead and made a chart of past and present official Evo games. Doesn't include borderline, semi-official stuff like last year's SF2 Tournament of Legends or VF5 side tournament.

Dat 11-year MvC2 streak.

And I still can't believe MKDS was a thing.

 

[WesternHeretic]

MVC2 being at EVO was more reliable than fucking Mariano Rivera in the post season.

Wasn't one of the Tekken 5 > Tekekn 5 DR? I'm pretty damn sure we didn't play 5.0 4 years in a row.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Dat 11-year MvC2 streak.

And Justin won seven of them.

 

[WesternHeretic]

And Justin won seven of them.

Poor Chunksta. Two 2nd place finish both to Justin.

 

[toypop]

Topanga Z-league Nemo vs Frieda FT10 is about to start.

http://www.justin.tv/topangatv

 

[Westlo]

I don't know. It's not hard for me to justify SFxTK as a 7th-stringer.

7th stringer? If the update is half decent if will get the 3rd most entrants unless atlus do some Mai and chie tshirts lol.

Final Round made 2013 an official game as well, it's in the Fall Classic too.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

7th stringer? If the update is half decent if will get the 3rd most entrants unless atlus do some Mai and chie tshirts lol.

That's what I'm saying though. I mean, I would honestly still prefer that it die a miserable and lonely death, but when you expand the list of official games to 7+, it's kind of hard to make a definitive case against it...

 

[alstein]

Counter hits are so good in P4A.

Persona to me lacks depth in terms of fancy combos, since they made that part easy, but I don't think the game is lacking in strategic depth (though Mitsuru/Aigis push that some)

As for SFxTK being 7th string- I think that will go to KOF this year

My predicted ranking for entrants: AE/Marvel/Persona=Tekken/SFxTK=MK9/KOF.

Persona will do well because it's a game that doesn't require a lot of lab time, so folks can just play without having huge time investments, so lots of folks picked it up as a secondary game. That's a big reason why it does well at majors (and maybe doesn't do as well online)

 

[Conceited]

I listen to podcasts while playing.

Man, I don't know how you can do this, I've tried it before and I'll get really into a match and then 10 minutes has gone by and I don't remember a single word that was said in the podcast.

 

[Alfredo]

It's kinda funny, that out of the current line-up, MK9 is the longest standing game at three years in a row (if you're separating AE from 2012, which most people seem to do).

 

[Horseress]

About SfXT being at EVO again, I just want to point something out:

Some of them kinda tastes like chicken! And all the salt just makes it more tastier! <3

 

[Kikujiro]

I'm actually sad for the lack of SCV, last year's showing at Evo was pretty hype.

 

[El Sloth]

About SfXT being at EVO again, I just want to point something out:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdqfasZTnK1rj88wro1_500.jpg[/IMG

Some of them kinda tastes like chicken! And all the salt just makes it more tastier! <3[/QUOTE]
Careful, Horseress. All of that can't be good for you.

 

[Horseress]

Careful, Horseress. All of that can't be good for you.

I know, it may be bad for my health, too much salt, BUT IT'S TOO GOOD!