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PCars has a Autovista mode?

That mode has less to do with hardware, and more to do with budget..:/

I'm talking completely opening up the car and showing everything.

It doesn't but they've clearly been incredible with their detailing the insides of the cars since you can break the cars apart in a crash and see the engines parts etc.

They even have stuff like the carbon fiber wings flexing in the wind.
 
It doesn't but they've clearly been incredible with their detailing the insides of the cars since you can break the cars apart in a crash and see the engines parts etc.

They even have stuff like the carbon fiber wings flexing in the wind and stuff.

The fidelity of the textures in game is very impressive, where as Forza and GT5 has to rely on showroom modes.
 
As someone accustomed to PC graphics, I actually did. I was watching my sister play Halo 4 and I thought about how horribly low res and jaggy the outdoor environment she was playing in looked.

and i watch my brother play far cry 3 on a top pc rig and am not that impressed *shrug*

sure there are differences, but i dont think they are that huge in the grand scheme.
 
The processing power to sustain a 1080p resolution with Halo 4 fidelity is just not possible on these current gen consoles. I don't even know what you were expecting. I always keep in mind the date this console came out, and why the later higher end console exclusives look the way they do.

What year the GTX 670 came out? Last year? Of course you would be spoiled by new hardware. It's natural.


Umm, yea I obviously understand that. I didn't even say I expected 670 quality out of Halo 4, just that I have become accustomed to higher fidelity graphics than what a 360 is capable of. I enjoy Halo 4, I just don't think it's an amazing looking game. Good for Xbox 360, but that's about as far as I can go.
 
Why are people using the PC version of an unreleased game as some kind of proof towards the power of the consoles? Developers have almost always shown multiplat games using the best version available; with effects that don't exist on consoles...

The Watchdogs demo was also the PC version. Wake up. Also, I don't know why you would compare Gears 1 PC to Gears 3 360. Why wouldn't you compare the same titles? As okay is Gears 3 looks, it's not exactly impressive unless you don't own a PC.
 
Why are people using the PC version of an unreleased game as some kind of proof towards the power of the consoles? Developers have almost always shown multiplat games using the best version available; with effects that don't exist on consoles...

The Watchdogs demo was also the PC version. Wake up.

You should wake up if you really think developers are taking this much effort to create a PC game.
 
Why are people using the PC version of an unreleased game as some kind of proof towards the power of the consoles? Developers have almost always shown multiplat games using the best version available; with effects that don't exist on consoles...

The Watchdogs demo was also the PC version. Wake up. Also, I don't know why you would compare Gears 1 PC to Gears 3 360. Why wouldn't you compare the same titles? As okay is Gears 3 looks, it's not exactly impressive unless you don't own a PC.

I do most of my gaming on PC downsampled, I love IQ. Gears 3 still looks great, even with the lack of AA. But yeah, the comparisons are all over the place, let'S wait for the games we get on the next xbox.
 
You should wake up if you really think developers are taking this much effort to create a PC game.

What the hell are you talking about? It's a multiplatform game, and the gifs floating around here are from the PC version, not the console version. The PC version is also what was shown at E3. So uh, again; wake up.
 
Why are people using the PC version of an unreleased game as some kind of proof towards the power of the consoles? Developers have almost always shown multiplat games using the best version available; with effects that don't exist on consoles...

The Watchdogs demo was also the PC version. Wake up. Also, I don't know why you would compare Gears 1 PC to Gears 3 360. Why wouldn't you compare the same titles? As okay is Gears 3 looks, it's not exactly impressive unless you don't own a PC.

That rule of thumb goes to this gen, not next gen. You will be pleasantly surprised come E3.



Maybe you weren't paying attention to the huge amount of tech upgrades the Unreal Engine 3 received from Gears 1 PC or Xbox 360 to Gears 3.

The PC version of Gears 1 just has better IQ and AF... Gears 3 has much better graphics.


What the hell are you talking about? It's a multiplatform game, and the gifs floating around here are from the PC version, not the console version. The PC version is also what was shown at E3. So uh, again; wake up.
Were you one of those guys in 2004 that seriously believed Far Cry on PC would not be surpassed graphically?
 
What the hell are you talking about? It's a multiplatform game, and the gifs floating around here are from the PC version, not the console version. The PC version is also what was shown at E3. So uh, again; wake up.

Console versions will look comparable. E3 isn't far away.
 
What the hell are you talking about? It's a multiplatform game, and the gifs floating around here are from the PC version, not the console version. The PC version is also what was shown at E3. So uh, again; wake up.

The game is aimed at the specs of the next gen consoles otherwise it wouldn´t look like that.
 
and i watch my brother play far cry 3 on a top pc rig and am not that impressed *shrug*

sure there are differences, but i dont think they are that huge in the grand scheme.

Agreed. Apart from the framerate I think the console versions stack up really well all things considered.
 
Were you one of those guys in 2004 that seriously believed Far Cry on PC would not be surpassed graphically?

No? What are you even arguing about anyway? Nobody knows what the next consoles are going to be like, and I'm not debating their power or lack there of. I'm simply saying that it's ignorant to be flashing images or gifs of the obvious PC version of a game and making wild claims that it's how the current console version will look due to some magical optimization that happened in the 11th hour of a system's life. It's like some of you are new to this or something.
 
pcars loda models rape both forza and gt, also that enzo model is so terrible in forza, what a joke

You missed the part where I said the car opens up.

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No? What are you even arguing about anyway? Nobody knows what the next consoles are going to be like, and I'm not debating their power or lack there of. I'm simply saying that it's ignorant to be flashing images or gifs of the obvious PC version of a game and making wild claims that it's how the current console version will look due to some magical optimization that happened in the 11th hour of a system's life.
That PC version could very well run on the next consoles, though.
 
ILM? I keep hearing real time; does that mean it was played with a controller/KB&M?

EDIT: Just looks like a video they showed. Do they show more of it where someone is playing it?

They showed the SW1313 presentation to the press with fraps running in the background [it was around ~30 fps during entire demo].
 
No? What are you even arguing about anyway? Nobody knows what the next consoles are going to be like, and I'm not debating their power or lack there of. I'm simply saying that it's ignorant to be flashing images or gifs of the obvious PC version of a game and making wild claims that it's how the current console version will look due to some magical optimization that happened in the 11th hour of a system's life.

Who said that Watch Dogs will look even remotely close to the gifs on the PS360?
 
No? What are you even arguing about anyway? Nobody knows what the next consoles are going to be like, and I'm not debating their power or lack there of. I'm simply saying that it's ignorant to be flashing images or gifs of the obvious PC version of a game and making wild claims that it's how the current console version will look due to some magical optimization that happened in the 11th hour of a system's life.

Let me give it to you in layman's terms. Watch Dogs will be "entry level" next gen graphics.

Think Project Gotham Racing 3 or Fight Night Round 3 when they were released.
 
You missed the part where I said the car opens up.

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It doesn't look like that while driving now does it?

Anyway, GT5/Forza looks amazing for what they have available for 6-7 year-old hardware.
 
It doesn't look like that while driving now does it?

Anyway, GT5/Forza looks amazing for what they have available for 6-7 year-old hardware.

You are correct. PCars can look like that while driving.

Now imagine a game like PCars with the budget of Forza or Gran Turismo.
 
That PC version could very well run on the next consoles, though.

Yeah, I don't doubt that. I was never arguing that either, I was arguing against it looking like that on the current systems which it was designed for.

Let me give it to you in layman's terms. Watch Dogs will be "entry level" next gen graphics.

On the actual next gen systems perhaps, but not on the PS3 or 360 which is what's being stated.
 
Could someone please summarise what the rumored specs for the ps4 are? Better, worse, similar ?

We know very little about PS4, but industry rumors tell us that both X720 and PS4 will have similar performance. The only concrete proof is interview with Sony's technology chief [early 2012] which mentioned focus on APU and stackable chips.
 
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why isnt the bonnet open? i wonder why ;) forza doesnt even model suspension either lol

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I think Forza and GT has car porn covered for next gen:)

Yeah, I don't doubt that. I was never arguing that either, I was arguing against it looking like that on the current systems which it was designed for.



On the actual next gen systems perhaps, but not on the PS3 or 360 which is what's being stated.

Of course. I never said anything about current gen systems running Watch Dogs like that. If Far Cry 3 is any indication, it will be a total slideshow with massive downgrades. Ubisoft isn't fooling anyone.
 
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I think Forza and GT has car porn covered for next gen:)

yes GT has very accurate models and great detail, the ONLY forza models with great detail are autovista, which is only a few cars. forza photomode models are ok poly wise but are nothing on GT5s premiums. also forza has trouble with the fact a lot of their cars which have been in the game since the first game still use the same FM1 models with much higher poly, and those models are inaccurate, see f40 for an obvious example
 
We know the inaccuracies with the Model Xanadu.

Please, there is a thread for Forza V GT5 talk already (models more specifically), use that if you want. We've been over this one loads times and we don't need another thread shitting up.
 
I don't see the point. PCars looks good. But it's not a great leap from Forza or GT5.

That has less to do with hardware and more to do with budgets.

it really is, you should play it maxed out before commenting, i play it maxed and it still looks amazingly better than forza 4 and GT5 in race
 
it really is, you should play it maxed out before commenting, i play it maxed and it still looks amazingly better than forza 4 and GT5 in race

You're not getting the point.

Budget.

Amount of cars.
Amount of tracks.
Absurd fidelity detail on environments.
Is everything coming together for you?

Do not be surprised if the next Forza or Gran Tursimo blows PCars away.
 
The Wii U was met with meager excitement and even now it's actually released and is kind of an after-thought (at the moment). Nintendo announced that and did the gradual tease strategy with the more "detailed" info at the next year's E3, and again, the console launch was met with meager excitement.
Teases are fine if you can deliver. Nintendo was really just yanking our chain. When it actually was revealed it was an extremely mediocre event. After 30 years in the industry they still thought a snoozefest 15 minutes on Luigi's Mansion was rocking the party.
 
what does that have to do with anything? who the hell needs 1000 cars anyway, the car to track ratio in forza and gt is shit

Licensing all those cars and tracks costs money.


It has alot to do with everything and why it took so long for a PC racer to look this good.

What PC racer prior to PCars had similar detail like Forza and GT?
 
It has alot to do with everything and why it took so long for a PC racer to look this good.

What PC racer prior to PCars had similar detail like Forza and GT?

for me even games like race 07 were much better looking than forza 2 at the time due to the vast improvement in IQ, but recent games like project cars and assetto corsa look much better than console games
 
for me even games like race 07 were much better looking than forza 2 at the time due to the vast improvement in IQ, but recent games like project cars and assetto corsa look much better than console games

Well it is 2013. It would be an embarrassment if PC games didn't look better than console games pushing 2005 hardware.
 
Well it is 2013. It would be an embarrassment if PC games didn't look better than console games pushing 2005 hardware.

i could be wrong but i doubt forza 5 will look better than project cars when cars is finished. GT6 maybe only because PD are masters at lighting
 
i could be wrong but i doubt forza 5 will look better than project cars when cars is finished. GT6 maybe only because PD are masters at lighting

Maybe.

But I seriously think by Forza 5 and GT6 it will be hard to tell the 2 apart.

You can nail photorealism easily. Project Gotham Racing 4 accomplished this before Forza 4.
 
I have no idea if this is relevant or not and I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread yet, but AMD renamed their OEM 7xxx-series to 8xxx.

Might or might not have any relation whatsoever.
 
Maybe.

But I seriously think by Forza 5 and GT6 it will be hard to tell the 2 apart.

You can nail photorealism easily. Project Gotham Racing 4 accomplished this before Forza 4.

the only time pgr looked amazing was in overcast weather, in sunny setting it didnt look half as good, and the iq was pretty poor too. forza horizon looks really good too but it has a horrible orange filter which takes a lot away from it to me
 
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