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EVO 2K13 Player's Choice: Donate money to breast cancer and get your favorite game in
- Thread starter El Sloth
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Priorities of tournament organizers, including those at Evo:
1. People in the brackets
2. People otherwise in attendance
3. The stream
Of course, there is some overlap because they aren't completely separate subjects, but in general people who are there take precedence over people who are not.
Riposte
Member
Sounds like fun to me.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This is me with DoA
Did you watch Apex 2013? If not, you missed out. What people saw at Apex 2013 is what you'd be getting at Evo and more.
Comments like this (even jokingly) hurt.
Stupid memes...
Everybody knows why people play DoA though, for the virtual boobs and dress up.
Though why people like that stuff is baffling in itself in a world with real boobs.
Dion Blaster
Member
No items, but I only saw FD once and the characters I saw were Falco, Marth, Peach, and Sheik.
I haven't played Melee in years but it was entertaining as hell to watch.
Items are banned for obvious reasons but aside from that, Smash is only as boring as you want it to be, friend.
That's a pretty varied cast of characters if you ask me. As for stages, there are at least 4 other stages just as legal as FD in the first round, with other options becoming available as counterpicks throughout the set.Apex 2013 Melee Top 8 said:
Really? Boobs on ninja girls.
Did you watch Apex 2013? If not, you missed out. What people saw at Apex 2013 is what you'd be getting at Evo and more.
Comments like this (even jokingly) hurt.
Stupid memes...
Sorry, the FG community is damn near impenetrable to me. Is it just 1v1 or are there more?
Don't forget in like top 16 for Melee there was a Ganondorf, Pikachu, and another Marth. I think there was one other character but I forget who (full results haven't been posted yet).
Edit:
There's Singles and Doubles. Doubles is 2v2 and Singles is 1v1. Doubles was pretty hype, too, but it happens first since the matches are generally quicker and less entrants (since you need to find a teammate to coordinate with). Not sure how many entered for Doubles, but I'm sure there were quite a few teams... though they did get through it in 1 day.
Edit:
There's Singles and Doubles. Doubles is 2v2 and Singles is 1v1. Doubles was pretty hype, too, but it happens first since the matches are generally quicker and less entrants (since you need to find a teammate to coordinate with). Not sure how many entered for Doubles, but I'm sure there were quite a few teams... though they did get through it in 1 day.
Professor Beef
Banned
Pretty much this. I'm sad MLP isn't officially in the running, but I completely understand why and I ain't even mad about it.
Case closed.
I guess you need to know at least a little bit about the gameplay, but I feel like the majority of gamers out there know some simple things about Smash Bros. IMO the big things about Melee are:
Directional influence: when you get hit/thrown in Smash Bros. games, you can hold a direction to influence which direction you are thrown from the attack. In Melee, how someone "DI's" will determine whether or not they get combo'd. Sometimes, bad DI will always lead to a combo. A lot of the time, the attacker needs to predict the DI direction and pursue accordingly in order to land a combo. A series of DI reads can lead to long air combos that are pretty exciting to see.
Teching: Players have to 'tech' (hit a shield button upon tumbling onto a surface) in order to prevent themselves from easily being combo'd. However they only have three options: stand straight up, roll left, or roll right. If your opponent reads your tech, you can still be combo'd. Again, long series of tech reads are pretty hype and exciting to see, and easier to see to viewers than something like an incredibly advanced Street Fighter read (stuff like punishing a crouch tech is completely invisible a lot of the time--to an average viewer it would just look like they weren't blocking and got hit).
Combos: because of the above, as well as varying damage percentages and other variables, combos are very dynamic in Smash. When someone lands a large string, it's pretty exciting to see, and was almost never a guaranteed combo. Because of DI reads and sometimes tech reads, the combo was possible--not "I opened you up so I can now do a gigantic combo that I can always do every time."
Probably a lost cause but this is likely why most people think the game is hype.
Brawl is not hype because the hitstun is so low that there are rarely any techs, and rarely any combos of any kind. Not to mention there is no edge game due to characters having powerful recovery options, high ledge invincibility, and the ability to 'snap' to grabbing the ledge from far distances at any point of their recovery attacks. The only time Brawl is hype is if the game is really close at the end. And any game with money on the line is hype in that scenario.
There's enough boobs on ninja girls cosplay on the Internet.
Though I do suppose they kind of work together, and people cosplay DoA characters. Still a fetish fulfillment simulator.
Says the guy talking about "real boobs" by comparison.
Goodie, watching more fighters in one match is better imo.
Additionally, a lot of these things are at the most basic level of Smash (all of three of these originated in Smash 64, for instance). They're not at all advanced techniques (well I guess you could consider DI as one but eh). There's a lot more stuff going on, too, in a single match than those three things but yes those are some of the big ones to understand when watching the game.
I think this video does an exceptional job at showing how much is going on for a single player just to accomplish a combo into an edgeguard.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Sand bag.
Ragingnight
Member
It is truly baffling that anyone would want to watch DOA. Its past iteration have failed and its latest iteration had less views than SFxT without the entrants.
I remember reading that the guy who won DOA4 when it was last there hated the game.
Ragingnight
Member
Perfect Legend? You mean the guy that shitted on DOA4 and only played it for the money?
The DOA5 community wants their game to be at EVO but for how many years have they not enter any majors/tournaments/locals? How can I support a game when their own dedicated community can't even support themselves? When was the last time DOA% had a decent turnout?
Nikkuthulu
Member
So I got a couple of questions.
Is there a stream archive or youtube that I could check out some of these Smash tourneys? Cause.. I'm really curious to what the big draw on them in a tournament setting. Namely does Apex has an archive? (though I'm not sure who streamed it this year.) How are they fought anyway? Like the usual Fox Only, Final Destination stuff (just with whatever character?) Or is there like giant free for all with people trying to team up on others etc?
Bout the Pony game. Is that like.. an official licensed game with Hasbro's ( I think that's who owns them ) blessings? Or is pretty much like the equivalent of a doujin fighter like Big Bang Beat? Is it even like a good game or just bronies being bronies?
Is there a stream archive or youtube that I could check out some of these Smash tourneys? Cause.. I'm really curious to what the big draw on them in a tournament setting. Namely does Apex has an archive? (though I'm not sure who streamed it this year.) How are they fought anyway? Like the usual Fox Only, Final Destination stuff (just with whatever character?) Or is there like giant free for all with people trying to team up on others etc?
Bout the Pony game. Is that like.. an official licensed game with Hasbro's ( I think that's who owns them ) blessings? Or is pretty much like the equivalent of a doujin fighter like Big Bang Beat? Is it even like a good game or just bronies being bronies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7v49k5FhY&list=PLfsHddFGhhKh4Xu_rMP1n_QIZhyRzqO8G&index=67
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LWjDzpZork&list=PLfsHddFGhhKh4Xu_rMP1n_QIZhyRzqO8G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzUohZJ4dAg&list=PLfsHddFGhhKh4Xu_rMP1n_QIZhyRzqO8G
Fresh Apex 2013 bread straight out the oven.
It's a doujin game, and "good game" is relative with Marvel around.
Serious answer: The devs are making a serious effort to make it good. We'll see if it shapes up.
I'd hardly call being attracted to boobs a fetish. It's pretty arguably genetic and functional for males, but that's another argument.
Ragingnight
Member
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jaxelrod/videos?view=0
8wayrun did top 8 for all the games IIRC.
From my understanding its 1v1 with specific levels banned.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I have about 8 friends who all meet every Sunday night at my house to play fighting games, not one respects smash as a legit competitive fighting game.
@the DOA comments:
I don't know anyone who would say that DOA is not a legit fighting game.
I'm not even arguing that DOA should or shouldn't be in there, I really don't care.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What does that have to do with anything?
Professor Beef
Banned
They weren't attacking DOA, they were attacking your poor argument.
Nikkuthulu
Member
Whoa that was fast. Awesome. I'll check out these streams and see what all the hype is about.
Well it's good the devs are taking the game seriously then. Guess if they weren't they wouldn't even realistically have the spotlight on it that they did.
Well it's good the devs are taking the game seriously then. Guess if they weren't they wouldn't even realistically have the spotlight on it that they did.
I see.
Ragingnight
Member
whats a "legit" fighting game? lol?
It has almost everything (if not everything) a 2d fighter has, spacing, footsies, zoning, execution, and all of that. How is it NOT a legit fighter?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Truly baffling.
My point is that you shouldn't be surprised or baffled if those who like boobs also like representations of boobs, especially if such representations are harder to find in real life.
I'll try to answer these as best as I can, I guess.
1. 8wayrun uploaded all of top 8 of Melee and Brawl to his youtube (he also has archives of the whole thing on his twitch.tv account, last I looked). Bifuteki streamed Melee Top 128 on Sunday (the archives should be available for free today) and CLASHTournaments streamed Brawl Top 128.
2. How are they fought... this is a broad question. Basically, the main events are singles, so 1v1. You have items off and a stage list. The stage list consists of Dreamland 64, Fountain of Dreams, Yoshi's Story, Final Destination, Battlefield, and Pokemon Stadium. I'm not going to go into a detailed explanation on why it's only these stages (there's a long, long, long history of it). The first match of any set starts off with striking stages to reach a single stage both opponents are comfortable with starting on. So, one player strikes BF, the next player strikes a stage they don't like or their character might not perform well on, then the other player strikes again, etc. until one stage is left. Characters are picked generally before striking, I believe. And then you play your first match.
The second match the loser is allowed to counterpick the stage and their character. But the winner can switch characters, so it's not an automatic win for the loser. The winner can also ban a counterpick (this is in Bo3, Bo5s are no bans iirc). So basically, there's a lot of thought that goes into just picking stages alone.
That's a really crude summary of the rules. You can find a much more detailed recommended but not official ruleset here
3. Let me clear up a common misconception started by a meme on youtube: there is no "fox only final destination". Yes, it can happen, but it's a very, very exaggerated look at the Melee scene. You hardly ever encounter Fox mirrors as the Grand Finals. In fact, Fox hardly wins tournaments (unlike Meta Knight, who wins almost every tourney hands down). He's just an extremely prevalent character, alongside Falco, Marth, Sheik, and Captain Falcon (who are just as prevalent, if not moreso).
It's just a horribly disgusting meme and I can't believe it still exists to this day. But maybe that'll change (doubtful D: ).
I don't think MLP fans should be worried at all. They pretty much have guaranteed representation at EVO at the indie showcase, just like last year I believe. Whereas Smash, DoA, etc. do not.
I'm actually really excited for the panels again this year, hope they get Chris G to talk about why Sanford and the East Coast should suck his balls.
I'm actually really excited for the panels again this year, hope they get Chris G to talk about why Sanford and the East Coast should suck his balls.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I bet there are at least a few threads on gaf debating whether smash is a fighting game or not.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Why do people like things I don't like???
Ragingnight
Member
That doesn't disprove anything I just said.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Thanks for playing.
If it has all of the bullet points that define it as a fighting game, why was it ever a debate?
Professor Beef
Banned
c'mon guys smash isn't a fighter it doesnt have healthbars or tits or anything
You're the goodest argumenter ever
Specially tits. It's a sausage fest!!!!!!
One of the few girls even dresses up as a guy!
We are never going to see VF5 again at EVO are we
Side tourney hopefully.