Lance Armstrong plans to admit doping to Oprah (USA Today)

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JonathanEx said:
Did anyone see this ad the UK Sunday Times ran in the Chicago Tribune?

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damn. hopefully they sue the shit out of him.
 
Incontinentia Buttocks said:
Why does he get so much praise for Livestrong? Did it actually fund cancer research or was it only an awareness raising venture?
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Awareness. They stopped dealing with research (which was a tiny part of it) a long time ago. It's feelgood bullshit that has no useful measurable impact beyond making people feel like they are doing good.
 
Incontinentia Buttocks said:
Why does he get so much praise for Livestrong? Did it actually fund cancer research or was it only an awareness raising venture?
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It's an awareness/support charity. By and large, it did not fund cancer research. I would imagine that perhaps it made some occasional grants or donations toward research, but its mission does not involve cancer research.

Nobody is arguing that Livestrong hasn't done any good whatsoever, but there appears to be a widespread misconception about what they actually do. And they haven't exactly done much to inform people otherwise.
 
Stinkles said:
Awareness. They stopped dealing with research (which was a tiny part of it) a long time ago. It's feelgood bullshit that has no useful measurable impact beyond making people feel like they are doing good.
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I don't think there's anything thing wrong with awareness raising charities but mainly for issues that need their awareness raised.
 
Plus of course there are a lot of people making money from those sorts of charities (you have to pay other companies to raise awareness)... but that's just basic capitalism, which is good.
 
legend166 said:
And then you get the people who say it should all be legal anyway. It takes about 5 minutes of thought to realise what a horrible, horrible idea that is.
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Damn, well where are you when these threads pop up and everyone and their bro pleading to make doping legal? I'm usually alone on this one.
 
Matt_09 said:
Armstrong defence force?

Even if that it true, how do you account for his continued deceit and lying since the allegations came against him. He seems to have no remorse what so ever and this Oprah interview has to be the most cynical PR stunt of all time. The questions will be light weight and designed not to criticise him, but allow him to feign remorse - which he seems incapable of. (he seems like a total sociopath).

If this interview is to have any credibility what so ever, Oprah must ask him to name names and discuss who he supplied and was supplied by.
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Oh I'm totally on board with him being a huge jerk. I was just reading through a lot of posts that got increasingly passionate about him betraying the sanctity of sports and all that, which I find to be a ludicrous ideology that flies in the face of reality and the incentive structure for high-level athletes.

Even if he was a huge jerk, he had access to methods of performance enhancement that other teams doubtlessly used as well, and beat them over and over. He remains a remarkable athlete, whether or not he's a terrible guy personally.
 
grumble said:
Oh I'm totally on board with him being a huge jerk. I was just reading through a lot of posts that got increasingly passionate about him betraying the sanctity of sports and all that, which I find to be a ludicrous ideology that flies in the face of reality and the incentive structure for high-level athletes.

Even if he was a huge jerk, he had access to methods of performance enhancement that other teams doubtlessly used as well, and beat them over and over. He remains a remarkable athlete, whether or not he's a terrible guy personally.
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A remarkable athlete made that way by PED.
How can anyone still defend this asshat?
 
grumble said:
Oh I'm totally on board with him being a huge jerk. I was just reading through a lot of posts that got increasingly passionate about him betraying the sanctity of sports and all that, which I find to be a ludicrous ideology that flies in the face of reality and the incentive structure for high-level athletes.

Even if he was a huge jerk, he had access to methods of performance enhancement that other teams doubtlessly used as well, and beat them over and over. He remains a remarkable athlete, whether or not he's a terrible guy personally.
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History won't see it that way. Of course he was a great athlete (he has the physical ability), that is the tragedy of it. He could have been a legend anyway by winning fairly.

I don't see what enjoyment he would take from winning knowing he had cheated. Also saying other did it means nothing. His ability as an athlete is judged on his achievements, which are being stripped away. So I don't think he is a remarkable athlete or should be remembered that way, but he had the potential to be.
 
Welp.

Justice Department Takes Aim at Armstrong

Justice Department officials have recommended joining a federal whistleblower lawsuit aimed at clawing back sponsorship money from former professional cyclist Lance Armstrong, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department has been weighing the matter since 2010, when the suit was filed by Armstrong's former teammate Floyd Landis.

All whistleblower suits are kept under seal, and neither the Justice Department nor Landis have acknowledged the suit's existence or the allegations. However, according to a person who has seen the lawsuit, Landis alleged that Armstrong and team managers defrauded the U.S. government when they accepted money from the U.S. Postal Service.

The Justice Department and Landis declined to comment.

The contract with the Postal Service required that the team refrain from using performance-enhancing drugs. Landis and, more recently, several other former teammates, said in affidavits that Armstrong was at the center of a sophisticated doping ring and knowingly flouted the contract.

The deadline for the Justice Department to join the suit is Thursday, the day Armstrong's much anticipated interview with Oprah Winfrey is scheduled to air. On the show, which was taped Monday afternoon, Armstrong admitted to his own use of performance-enhancing drugs, according to the Associated Press.

Landis sued on behalf of the government under the Federal False Claims Act, which allows citizens to sue for alleged fraud against the government, according to people familiar with the matter.


Under the law, the government can intervene in Landis's suit, essentially pursuing the case on its own behalf. If it doesn't, Landis is free to carry on the action on his own. As a whistleblower, Landis could collect 30% of any money the government recovers.

The Postal Service paid a total of $30.6 million to the team's management company to sponsor the team from 2001 through 2004, according to a sponsorship agreement reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The contract said "negative publicity" due to "alleged possession, use or sale of banned substances" by riders or team personnel would constitute an "event of default," as would a failure to take "action" if a rider violates a morals or drug clause.

Under the False Claims Act, if Armstrong and others are found to have violated the act, they could be on the hook for triple the amount of the total paid under the contract. That could mean damages of roughly $100 million.

Recently, Armstrong's legal team has been in negotiations with the Justice Department in an attempt to settle the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The person said the negotiations between Armstrong's team and the Justice Department are far from being settled, with the two sides nowhere near an agreement.

Other defendants in the suit, according to the person who has seen it, include Thom Weisel, the former chairman of the management company that owned Armstrong's cycling team, and Johan Bruyneel, his longtime team director. A lawyer for Weisel said he couldn't comment. Bruyneel didn't return calls seeking comment.

The case has been investigated by the Justice Department's commercial litigation branch, according to several people familiar with the matter. Robert Chandler, a Justice Department attorney, has been interviewing potential witnesses in the case, according to people familiar with the matter. The case isn't related to a criminal lawsuit that was dropped in February.

Whistleblower attorneys say that to win, the Justice Department wouldn't have to prove that the Postal Service lost money—only that the defendants in the suit knowingly misrepresented themselves in the contract with the Postal Service.
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HGH at 10? Holy fucking shit. That's pretty harsh.

I had some friends with growth problems in school... but I think they were given something different. I can't for the life of me remember what it was though.
 
Psychotext said:
HGH at 10? Holy fucking shit.
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It was prescribed by my endocrinologist. I was on it for 13 months and grew 7 inches during that time. I wasn't using it to gain muscle, but that was a side effect. And I was a gymnast at the time so muscle growth occurred rapidly. I remember my biceps being twice the size of my bony arms during that time.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
It was prescribed by my endocrinologist. I was on it for 13 months and grew 7 inches during that time. I wasn't using it to gain muscle, but that was a side effect. And I was a gymnast at the time so muscle growth occurred rapidly. I remember my biceps being twice the size of my bony arms during that time.
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How tall are you?
 
Glad it's finally over. All of the evidence pointed to Armstrong being dirty and now the truth comes from the horse's mouth.
 
Cipherr said:
Pfft. Im willing to bet they aren't able to 'dry him out' the way they would like too. He would have found ways by now to put money away to secure his future comfort. He is still likely to die a millionaire and live a comfortable life. Its probably to late to try and turn him upside down and shake him at this point.
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What if Nike and others sue him for similar reasons ?
 
Bombadil said:
How tall are you?
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5'7" and I'm done growing

I was almost a foot shorter than my peers in 3rd grade, which is why I was put on HGH to avoid constant teasing and mental scarring by classmates at a young age. If I grew up during those developmental periods being teased all the time, it would have affected me negatively today.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
5'7" and I'm done growing

I was almost a foot shorter than my peers in 3rd grade, which is why I was put on HGH to avoid constant teasing and mental scarring by classmates at a young age. If I grew up during those developmental periods being teased all the time, it would have affected me negatively today.
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Are you joking with us or serious? You were put on growth hormones because kids teased you in school? Surely there was an underlying medical reason for it right?
 
Cipherr said:
Are you joking with us or serious? You were put on growth hormones because kids teased you in school? Surely there was an underlying medical reason for it right?
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My pituitary glands weren't releasing hormones at a sufficient rate needed a boost, and after having a lot of blood work done, it was determined that HGH could help activate them. Like there was legitimate concern for me having dwarfism at the time which is what led my parents to finding an endocrinologist for me to see.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
My pituitary glands weren't releasing hormones at a sufficient rate needed a boost, and after having a lot of blood work done, it was determined that HGH could help activate them. Like there was legitimate concern for me having dwarfism at the time which is what led my parents to finding an endocrinologist for me to see.
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Any side effects to that?
 
Bombadil said:
Any side effects to that?
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Nothing I can remember. I just grew....

Since I used it well before all the athletes started getting in trouble for it, I had no idea it also made you stronger, but when I think back on it now yeah I definitely got some muscle during that time as well.
 
Yeah, it's a little late to be trying to get that money back. The only remedy they ever had was voiding the contract if he got caught while it was still in effect.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
My pituitary glands weren't releasing hormones at a sufficient rate needed a boost, and after having a lot of blood work done, it was determined that HGH could help activate them. Like there was legitimate concern for me having dwarfism at the time which is what led my parents to finding an endocrinologist for me to see.
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Ahhh ok, that makes sense!
 
Feature said:
Hope everyone sues him so he'll go broke as fuck and then put in jail. Scumbag first class.
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Sues him for what? He made his sponsors millions and there have been widely accept rumors of him doping for years.

What legal grounds can people attack him on?
 
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