Well gears 3 highres meshes look awesome too for example. I am not expecting a huge leap in terms of polycount because dx11 helps with smoothing out rough edges, and there still need to be other stuff rendered etc.
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Well gears 3 highres meshes look awesome too for example. I am not expecting a huge leap in terms of polycount because dx11 helps with smoothing out rough edges, and there still need to be other stuff rendered etc.
when i read it right:
Xbox 3 TV Box Edition has nearly the same Hardware but without the APP Block, so the lite version itself has only the System Block with 1,2TFLOP???
And the real xbox with System + APP block is > 3TFLOP ???
no idea xD
But Xbox lite + xbox3 with nearly same speccs would be nice, every app and graphical undemanding arcade games could work on both boxes without extra work.
And would be funny, Xbox3 lite = 2-4* WiiU :lol
If you look at one pic that shows mesh editor, vert count is around 41k for that low poly which is easy doable. Grayson Hunt from Bulletstorm for example was 30k verts and 41k tris.
rumor? i always thought it´s clear that this will come with really high chance
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013
it would make sense to release 2 versions and it would make sense to give them the same base hardware, only that the set up box does have less ram, no dedicated GPU etc.
i don't see the point.
WiiU is being bashed for not being powerfull enough.
Mobile specs are still growing fast every year.
MS better release the big ass box and wait 2/3 years to get a lite version out that runs the same games.
Much better than having a cloud only box as in the leaked docs.
I'd rather have a small form factor PC built by MS with Windows 8 Pro rather than an Apple TV sibling.
Windows 8 RT box makes sense too but is much restricitve in terms of software.
Also, isnt MS adressing the XBOXlite market already with Surface?
What I would kill for is an XBOX that runs the full Windows 8 (not RT) OS.
I'd pay good money for that as long as it's not cumbersome to switch between the console OS and Windows 8 because they can probably not make it as one. Maybe a very specific skin could be applied, ala Metro, which could easily switch to a regular Windows 7 OS.
That would kill any interest I have for a Steambox.
Can Crusher
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Pretty bad move to have 2 xboxes out there that are very different. Hell, the Xbox lite wouldn't even be able to play the kind of games we want.
I don't see how that business strategy could work, splitting the user base in such dramatic fashion will be terrible.
I don't see how that business strategy could work, splitting the user base in such dramatic fashion will be terrible.
Psychotext
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Sell it as a set top box through cable providers. They desperately wanted to do it this gen but the 360 was way too unreliable and power hungry.
Wouldn't be for games specifically, but it would have access to all their media / app related stuff.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It could be very smart, actually, but perhaps Xbox 360 could continue serving the function of a cheap media box, despite of Jeff Rigby's claims to the contrary (hopefully this doesn't somehow summon him into this thread), so we'll just have to wait and see what Microsoft decides to do about it.
Can Crusher
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They will have to be very clear in the marketing, in the name, in the look of the system. Otherwise, it will be like watching a car crash in slow mo.
Most people who didn't inform themselves before hand, walk into a store, look at that Wii U box and think it's a touchpad for the Wii.
This would be worse.
xbox360 as a cheap media box is really bad.
is to big, to loud and the OS is not that great.
MS want something smaller that works with W8 Kernel so it can use W8 Apps etc. and ALL other stuff beside the Real Games. Arcade and Casual games will still work.
SapientWolf
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It streams from Windows PCs out the box and it's not all that loud when a game isn't playing. I keep it around because my receiver does better with Dolby Digital than PCM.
The $99 360 will be their living room trojan horse.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It says that MS is going to have HW based backwards compatibility. That's neat, if true.
edit: Noooo, I double posted. My bad.
Can Crusher
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Yeah I've read some of his stuff before. Just seems like another enthusiast.
Why would sweetvar troll though? Something in there could be worth a look.
Word.
Baconsammy
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Too loud? They only make slims now, and those are dead silent. The quietest console currently on the market.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Arcade games require the same hardware as "real" games though. Splitting the market doesn't make sense, most of the money made on the platform is still through retail game sales. $99 hardware with no software return isn't worth investing in.
If you have a hard drive that is. I have a 4 gb console just sitting around and when it is on, it seems louder than even the original system.
Misterxmedia: MISTER PRO ELITE>> DID XBOX 720 make you WOW? I say WOW several times allready and keep watching this video. Hats off to all of you for bringing this to our homes.
I don't get it.
Mistercteam and MisterXmedia run a livejournal with quite possibly some of the worst garbage to ever grace the internet. It's SDF levels bad.
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/
Oh my f'ing god. Does he really believe that shit?
flipswitch
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haha lol dude seems like random guesswork
Ninja Moomin
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Thinking Aloud.... how would you feel if 'Halo 2 Anniversary' was a 720 launch game?
Many would be ecstatic; I think it's lazy.
This is where the shit some of you are posting about is coming from. There is no 'special block' in the Durango that makes it work at 3 + TF.
specialguy
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would love it?
and contrary to my reply to you in the other thread, i could see it being a small enough title to actually happen.
amstradcpc
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So why are devs telling aegis that Durango will have similar performance to a 680?
iceatcs
Junior Member
Maybe it meant a whole Durango. Not just GPU.
People say that there is a special block that makes Durango work LIKE a 3TF GPU. But comparing TF's is stupid. btw: I'm pretty sure that there is a lot of custom silicon/blocks in it that increase performance drastically.
Brad Grenz
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Maybe Arthur misunderstood, or they were misleading him, or they were talking about a specific function, or they were yanking his chain, or he misheard. Lots of reasons he could be wrong.
Only way to truly find out is by watching the game performance demonstrated on the actual hardware.
specialguy
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E3 hype ungggggggggggggggggggggggg
Anyways even at a lowly 1.2 TF, I now feel totally confident Watch Dogs is doable next gen, as a baseline.
Probaly only a 768 gflop 6670 would have precluded it (which I actually feared at one time and was an IGN rumor)
Maybe they meant in the normal 'closed box' sense. How you could get down to the wire and extract more from less in a console vs a PC GPU. Looking at what devs got out of 360 and PS3, I'm sure even a 12-CU console GPU will sing and go up to and beyond what people expect even out 680s today. But it doesn't mean that if you put a 680 caliber GPU in a closed box that the 12-CU chip would do as well as it.
I'm sort of skeptical beyond that. The talk about this magic '3 block' stuff etc. I think maybe people are over-hyping that (and I don't mean aegies necessarily, but people who are combining some of his comments with others). Of what's apparently been leaked about 2 of those 3 blocks, it's not adding up. A custom media/audio chip and a memory management/blitter unit? Neither of those things is going to substitute for shader resources. One will help with bandwidth to the GPU but that's not the same thing.
specialguy
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Yep agree. I suspect theyre being built up too much, and if/when we get final Durango details we may even be searching for them (EG, was that one of them? Maybe that?)
But, like I said, if they make 1.2 perform like 1.5, it's probably all MS needs to compete with PS4 which is all that really matter here in market terms.
The only real point of custom hardware would be to do more for cheaper over the life of the box. That had to be MS thinking. There's no point in and of itself.
If, and I say if, there is a "blitter", for example, it could be to mitigate the slow DDR3 RAM. MS then surely did a calc "hey, DDR3+ESRAM+blitter is cheaper over ten years than GDDR5, and is effective enough, and we need more RAM for our set top box plans". That's all.
Of course I HOPE for awesome stuff from the "custom" hardware, but that's all.
amstradcpc
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people and above all tech freaks like us like exhotic hardware...so Sony machines have always being hypped prior to launch although in the end from a graphical point of view ended underdelivering.
This, what i am saying, should be taken into account by tech marketing people: exhotic and uber promising sells more. You eliminate the expression "Bah!, it´s just another PC!" from the clients mind.
As MS see Xbox as a generic entertainment brand and not just games any more, I wonder if the next box will have a massive media campaign repositioning Xbox first then the new hardcore box sold as "Xbox Gamer" or some such shit.
So you'll get Windows PCs and possibly mobile along with set top boxes and a stripped down ATV clone "with Xbox" that includes streaming and basic Arcade games. Then the Gamer with optical drive and hardcore games.
Cable companies could offer it as an upgrade like Virgin do with TiVo.
So you'll get Windows PCs and possibly mobile along with set top boxes and a stripped down ATV clone "with Xbox" that includes streaming and basic Arcade games. Then the Gamer with optical drive and hardcore games.
Cable companies could offer it as an upgrade like Virgin do with TiVo.
Ninja Moomin
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What's the general feeling behind the rumour 720 will use some form of Windows 8?
Good, bad, ugly?
Good, bad, ugly?
Honestly, I have a feeling, all those 3tf+ computations would find it hard to compete with the console that has Oculus Rift or something similar...
Monumental
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It's downright guaranteed at this point, but most people probably imagine that LITERALLY as Windows 8 on PC, which is quite naive. It will obviously run a modified version of Windows 8 specfically built around the needs of the console (which we don't know), wrapped in a GUI that's appropriate for the console. Even the current 360 dashboard is a Metro variation, think something along those lines.
specialguy
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Halo 2 released in 2004. Seems more likely a Halo 2 Anniversary would release to celebrate 10 years, not 9.
A Halo trilogy pack would be cool, though. Or a Durango-juice'd Halo 4 at launch.
I don't expect AAA games as launch titles but rather titles like the ones that were 360 launch titles. (lots of sport titles)