I'm looking forward to seeing what 1313 will look like with the non-placeholder character models. It blows away what I thought UE3 could do and looks better than Samaritan.
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I'm looking forward to seeing what 1313 will look like with the non-placeholder character models. It blows away what I thought UE3 could do and looks better than Samaritan.
Karak
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I love guys like this.
Ask him if he has heard the term "The dog won't hunt" In regards to the Amiga.
Something one of my ex coworkers at HP used to talk about alot.
He may not know it. It might have just been within my coworkers team WAY back before I was knee high
But I love those guys stories about old programming.
Agreed.
Neither console will have anything mind blowing in the specs. They're trying to be as cost effective and developer friendly as possible. We'll need to wait for games for our heads to explode.
specialguy
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oops. color me stupid...
Oh, I am in the same boat. Tech demos are promises that are seldom delivered upon until the twilight years of the console. They are utterly pointless.
Also, hopefully Epic may have learned a few things from UE3 when making UE4. Other middlewares are coming to prominence now such as CryEngine and Frostbite 2. As such, to remain competitive, Epic needs to do more than what was done with UE3.
Karak
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Yes. Those many one off engines may do some amazing things it is that competition in the game engine market that brings them all up to a WHOLE other level.
You'll see it
James Sawyer Ford
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specialguy
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i thought he was commenting that the specs do not include anything that blows his mind, as he would wish them too.
And if he's commenting on the OP specs, well theyre all wrong anyway...
James Sawyer Ford
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I think he's going by the specs in the OP
"they're missing something mindblowing"
his follow-up post also suggests that "we'll see something [mindblowing]"
he posted in the kinect thread. doesn't appear to know anything. not sure why he's coming out to hype something up he knows nothing about
Can Crusher
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He keeps insisting regarding the ram amount. But isn't he the guy who said Durango would have a Power PC cpu?
So are you going to dodge the question another time? Let me ask again: Do the performance ramifications of the current rumoured hardware meet your level of expectation given your past stance?
I am not a programmer. I can't tell you what the visual ramifications of the hardware are. Proelite however has mentioned Agnis Philosophy 720p. That's good enough for me
.Give him some time to ask his source (read posts on other sites) to give you his thoughts.
specialguy
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I am not a programmer. I can't tell you what the visual ramifications of the hardware are. Proelite however has mentioned Agnis Philosophy 720p. That's good enough for me
I'm not a programmer either, but I'm sure we'll be happy and I'm sure Watch Dogs is very doable.
You've got 5X the current gen flops in Durango (8X in Orbis) even looking at nothing else. You think the programmers of KZ4 and Halo 4 can do a little with 5X the power at a minimum? (will real world be more like 8X+)
I say more comparing to current gen and less to top end PC's is what we need to be doing.
alexandros
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But these facts both support my argument: the 360 performed well because it had high-end parts, not because of magical optimizations. From what we know so far, Durango doesn't have high-end parts.
There are many videos out there showing the same card performing admirably in various games. See a few of them from a different source.
So no, I too love PC's and all it takes is one year and they are ahead of the curve again but you don't get to rewrite history hombre!!!!
I don't want to rewrite it, I want to remind people of it
The Xbox 360 had some tech that was high-end, which is why it performed really well for a couple of years before being surpassed by mainstream PC parts.Thank you sir, I stand corrected.
specialguy
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If they look that good in game this will be my reaction
Face models will be awesome next gen...
Karak
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Can Crusher
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We'll just have to wait and see how Orbis and Durango perform. And what their final specs are.
Then we will have to wait and see if 4 years later, the card you bought last year, or the card you bought this year, will keep up. The cpu too of course.
Xbox 360 was high end, but nobody was saying it was high end. Specially with the PS3 in the horizon, I remember pretty well that not only wasn't it blowing anybody away in terms of specs, but there were clear complains like Xbox 1.5 or whatever for quite some time(in terms of graphics).
You can't call something that won't get an answer for like 3/4 years.
onimushroom
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I can't unsee it being Louis CK.
specialguy
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Maybe, but the 360 was actually maybe among the highest end consoles ever relative to PC at the time of it's release.
Honestly, it was in the same ballpark as the highest end PC GPU's of late 2005. We'll probably never see that again. You could honestly say no PC GPU in Nov 2005 clearly outclassed Xenos. Which is kind of amazing.
RSX was also in the ballpark of the highest end GPU's of 2005. Unfortunately PS3 released in 2006. The PS3 would have had to have a variation of the 8800GTX to be in the same place Xenos was in 2005. Instead it had a variation of the 7800GTX.
Pretty much this.
If rumors are to be believed these coming consoles are not even in the same realm, even less than months of rumors and speculation lead us to believe.
I love you too.
Xbox 1.5
WiiU <= PS360
Seems like this is becoming a habit for some people then.
I can't remember but did this kind of sentiment exist during the pre DC/PS2/GCN/Xbox gens? (Specifically NES and SNES gens, i don't recall any thing close that being present during the PS1/N64/Saturn gen)
My memory of the NES and early SNES era is hazy in regards to matters like this.
dragonelite
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I love guys like this.
Ask him if he has heard the term "The dog won't hunt" In regards to the Amiga.
Something one of my ex coworkers at HP used to talk about alot.
He may not know it. It might have just been within my coworkers team WAY back before I was knee high
But I love those guys stories about old programming.
Agreed.
Yep he mentioned the Amiga having a DMA engine.
He likes it when we ask those things.
Hell two co internship students are doing Arm Neon assembly just to get 10% more performance for some vision algorithms. Im doing OpenCL programming for vision algorithms both are SIMD related technology so we three are exchanging techniques.
They said a compiler is smart but it will waste some cycles and registers because it doesn't really know the true intentions what a programmer wanted or intended to do with the algorithm.
Learned more then i probably would at uni courses.
Can't unsee
I didn't realise that when I posted but you're so right.
Phonomezer
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I'm ready for the leak. Get those hits, Polygon.
alexandros
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I have no idea who was saying that but it was certainly not true, as other people above this post have pointed out.
Of course not, I'm just making a prediction based on available facts/rumors.
Looking back now it's obvious that wasn't true and for the more level headed or knowledgeable people then it wasn't true as well but there were still people who bought into PS3 hype (Or for trolling sake) and held fast to Xbox 1.5.
alexandros
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Ah, I see. Diehard fans never change, eh?
Ah, I see. Diehard fans never change, eh?
E3 2013 and the aftermath will be beautiful because of that.
The hell. Dude. First bad idea you have ever had
What if you get 2. The newer new?
Come on. We need something awesome for both of these systems.
The Refurbished Xbox?
Nah.
I wouldn't put it past them to totally fuck it up though.
Apple are doing it for producs release a year apart. Xboxes are 5+ years between models, it shouldn't be that confusing
Assuming the architecture is set up for read-modify-write to esram (int that something they missed in 360?) then that would be good. But then orbis with faster main memory could do the same. You'd probably have higher initial latency than esram, but if you are moving a big block of memory around like a frame buffer, that's pretty efficient.
I'm really curious to hear more detail on how the blitter fits into the architecture, and why we've not seen something like it on PC GPUs before now.
Exactly what I was thinking.
JohnnySasaki86
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whats the rumor? 1.2?
I'm calling it Xbollocks for now, based on the fact that everything we know about it is rumour or speculation.
You never know, it might catch on.
It depends what's doing the reading. I believe 360's daughter-die operators could read from eDRAM, afterall I'm not sure how blending would work if they couldn't (?)
If the blitter is there to primarily improve shunting of data between eDRAM and main memory it wouldn't be so relevant in a chip that deals with one pool of memory.
Anyone think they will update the audio capabilities of the next console?
Being able to do 7.1 or 7.2 would be great (for me) but I imagine those with that setup maybe a little small.
The ability to do uncompressed PCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio would be really good.
Being able to do 7.1 or 7.2 would be great (for me) but I imagine those with that setup maybe a little small.
The ability to do uncompressed PCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio would be really good.
Brad Grenz
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There is no blitter. That was just some people making Amiga jokes on B3D.
specialguy
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I have no idea, but if the next box has a separate audio chip as rumored you'd think so.
amstradcpc
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They tried something similar in 360 with MEMEXPORT which was an aproximation to geometry shaders in DX11. Surely they´ll expand over it.
specialguy
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There seems to be something more too it, but I'm not willing to vouch for it either way.
And it's not really called a blitter, but is something akin to one, supposedly