Goro Majima
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The guy running the hoax would end up in court if he came out and said that.
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Deadspin: (Notre Dame football player) Manti Teos Dead Girlfriend is a hoax
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The guy running the hoax would end up in court if he came out and said that.
theviolenthero
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If you met someone in 2009 why would your first twitter message to that person in 2011 read "nice to meet you too ma'am"?
https://twitter.com/MTeo_5/status/123459028067164160
https://twitter.com/MTeo_5/status/123459028067164160
HalfBakedProphet
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oh, a joke character
Te'os constantly changing story is the real hatchet job. When did him and his "gf" meet? Seriously, there are like 3 different versions. Was it in 2009? Their first twitter interaction several years later seems to contradict that
Edit: yes, right above me. Originally, they meet at the Stanford game in 2009. In this interview with ESPN, "he didn't know Kekua until 2010". twitter contradicts both
BobTheFork
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Read his other posts in this thread, he's dead serious.
Luckily for Manti, defamation suits by famous individuals have a significantly lower threshold relative to suits by members of the general public. Should be a shoo in, no problemo, slam dunk for the Heartbreaker from Honolulu.
Dude Abides
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No. Truth is a defense to libel plus he's a public figureso he'd have to show actual malice or reckless disregard for the truth, which he would not be able to do. And of course he'd never want to have to publicly explain his embellishments and why he continued the charade after he knew it was a hoax.
HalfBakedProphet
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mre, you might have one of the best tags ever
No, man. Te'o totally has this suit in the bag. Totally easy for public figures to win defamation suits, that's why it happens all day, every day. That's why all of those celebrity gossip rags have been put out of business.
I am just only assuming but maybe something got lost in the transfer or whoever runs the site or wrote the article read it wrong.
Either way can't wait to hear the audio now.
SerArthurDayne
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If I have learned anything from this thread, it is that this guy knows whats up. And I hear he has some quality lawyering skill, acquired from the great state of Florida. That is where the Championship game took place, too. So it is almost like he was on the scene as this developed.
Point being, I'm sure he is correct here.
Saint Gregory
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He's not getting away with anything, all we're witnessing right now is how much juice ND has as an institution in the USA. If Te'o had been unfortunate enough to have attended USC he would be getting ripped to shreds right now instead of having the media attempt to help him rewrite history and restore his credibility. From the beginning this has been about protecting the school's reputation and not Te'o's.
I would imagine that the NRA is in total awe.
You are fighting a losing battle. Every day that goes on it becomes more obvious he was in on it.
Of course the DM apology was motivated by the fact that he was about to be outed as Lennay on Deadspin. The issue in question is whether it was a legit confession/apology or one that was staged.
If we assume the latter, we have to believe that both of them would have been smart enough to come up with a plan of sending a fake apology DM, with the intent of using that as "proof" later that Te'o was not in on the hoax. And we also have to assume that Tuiasosopo would be okay with taking the fall for Te'o. What would be his motivation for doing that? Love? Money? Both?
The latter explanation, to me, requires too many assumptions and gets too deep into conspiracy territory for me. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.
HerbertFish
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I swear espn reported last night teo said it affected his play vs. Alabama. Espn has now changed that or am I crazy
wsoxfan1214
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Not a lawyer, but journalist. Libel doesn't work that way.
HalfBakedProphet
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that's how it was originally, now the article says "Te'o said it did not affect his play in the game, where Notre Dame lost to Alabama 42-14."
The original
supposedly the dms from RT to Teo
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0119/ncf_t_teolennaytweet_400.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0119/ncf_t_teolennaytweet_400.jpg
HerbertFish
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Okay, also confused here. Isn't @lennykay a parody account by that time? "Her" Twitter account was changed to something else back in September. Unless I don't understand Twitter.
Also, I could be mistaken, but isn't one of those over 140 characters?
That read like a terrible tease.
Kept going on and on about forgiveness and how he will tell him everything and right before he does it cuts off.
If the hotel lobby story is true, where he and or his friends showed on the day of the BCS Championship game and then one of them called Manti and joked with him asking "we are in the lobby is Lennay with you in your room?" ... then what remorse and forgiveness is he talking about? They were laughing it up as recently as a few days ago.
Kept going on and on about forgiveness and how he will tell him everything and right before he does it cuts off.
If the hotel lobby story is true, where he and or his friends showed on the day of the BCS Championship game and then one of them called Manti and joked with him asking "we are in the lobby is Lennay with you in your room?" ... then what remorse and forgiveness is he talking about? They were laughing it up as recently as a few days ago.
There's a certain point where insane fandom descends into actual insanity.
You are well past that point.
He repeatedly stresses that Manti was very believable. He is full of shit and sold his journalistic integrity in this case for access. I expected better from him
Ninja Scooter
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or maybe...he actually thinks Manti came across as believable? Maybe he's a good liar (would explain a lot) but that doesn't mean that Schaap sold out. Everyone wants so bad for this to be what they want it to be that you guys are willing to paint the picture as much ND and Teo's people are.
The parody account was created on 1/16, but I don't think any one knows the exact time. I think it is safe to assume it was AFTER the Deadspin story posted, which was at 4:10 PM EST. I don't know how Twitter time stamps their DMs, but if those are time stamped with EST, then these were sent prior to Deadspin's story. Which would mean it had to be from someone involved in the hoax, most likely Tuiasosopo.
ETA: ESPN has now made note of the correction they made to the article about the hoax affecting Te'o's play. They are chalking it up to a transcription error. Funnily enough, the Sportscenter app still has the original version of the story.
Saint Gregory
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How exactly can a story about the hoaxers being at his hotel be a transcription error? And people are still making those that see this as a cover-up into crazy conspiracy theorists?
BertramCooper
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I'm not one to beg admins for favors, but I've noticed there's one special poster in this thread who really needs an avatar. He/she currently lacks one and I think it's really unfortunate for him/her.
And it's purely a coincidence, but I came across this lovely jpeg.
And wowzers, it just so happens to be the perfect dimensions - the perfect dimensions for some special domer who has gone out of his/her way to prove his/her devotion to a very special linebacker.
Just putting it out there.
And it's purely a coincidence, but I came across this lovely jpeg.
And wowzers, it just so happens to be the perfect dimensions - the perfect dimensions for some special domer who has gone out of his/her way to prove his/her devotion to a very special linebacker.
Just putting it out there.
Dreams-Visions
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Oh you.
BertramCooper
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But hey, if anyone else wants it, go right ahead.
Whoever posted the joke the next day on that account would have to be the same person - or a person with access to the same account - as whoever allegedly sent these direct messages. As I understand it, the user information is retained for thirty days after deactivation, and the current Lennay account was created on the 16th. The parody account couldnt have been created after if the explanation is that Tui deleted the account right after sending these and someone else swooped it up. That would also have to be some incredible timing if this person was not aware the story was released or hours away from it.
It's also my understanding that you can only get a DM from someone you are following, which means he would have had to start following someone using a name he should have recognized was part of the hoax.
Saint Gregory
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Ah, I thought that the entire account had been removed but I see now that it was just changed to reflect the difference.
Strange thing is that CNN/SI still has it in the timeline from Brian Hamilton but that was probaly taken from the original ESPN report.
You would think that considering the impact that ESPN would have been sure to get the context correct in that case before it was reported.
Thing is, I actually believe Te'o got catfished. I also believe he embellished his relationship to avoid ridicule and maybe earn some sympathy. Believing he was a victim while being incredulous at some parts of the story (talking on the phone for hours, not going to visit etc.) aren't mutually exclusive.
I just think it's not Schaap's place to give his opinion after the interview in this case (he got access in exchange for unusual restrictions). He and his audience would have been better served just playing the audio and letting people reach their own conclusions. Te'o doesn't need a stenographer if he wants to talk.
Ironically some in the media are uncritically parroting the latest sob story which is what started this fiasco in the first place...
dskillzhtown
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The ESPN story has been updated a few times since it was posted. I canb't believe much of any of it.
BruiserBear
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The conspiracy theories cooked up in this thread are fun to read. People get so invested in these stories they can't just accept that their initial assumptions were wrong.
The dude has been embarrassed, and as soon as you realize that his explanation makes sense. Most people would lie a little to save some face.
That dude is a mess.
The dude has been embarrassed, and as soon as you realize that his explanation makes sense. Most people would lie a little to save some face.
That dude is a mess.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Still not sure where he wound up.
Saint Gregory
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If embarrassment somehow explains away all the incredible inconsistencies in not just Te'o's original story but in how the story has been reported over the last few days then I think you can apply the same reasoning of investment to youself.
And what is wrong with stating what he felt? You think they fed him the lines "believable"?
You sound like you made your mind up already anybody who even thinks he might be believable or makes a convincing case, and in this instance Schaap, sold their integrity.
They asked him of his opinion and Schaap answered. That is not considered selling out. Schaap also mentioned in the same report that its up to the audience to decide if they believe him or not.
Read my post after that
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