As i said some. But what you say is true. It will be mostly like you say. 1,3 to 1,9 is imo big difference. 600 Gflop is not small. It is more than PS3 or X360 can achieve.
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As i said some. But what you say is true. It will be mostly like you say. 1,3 to 1,9 is imo big difference. 600 Gflop is not small. It is more than PS3 or X360 can achieve.
Adding flops is not wise + there is stuff in Durango which is not included in the TFlops number but is in PS4's.
childplease
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So how much better are current gaming pcs to this.
? Don't try to put me into some console war camp. I am just comparing rumored specs and what developers could/would do if those rumored specs are true giving Orbis noticeable edge.
As of "silly arithmetic additions of processing power" it is no PS3 Xbox situation where both consoles were different. Both consoles are comparable. Right now we can discus from flops because only after development begins dev can comment on those design choices and efficiency of them
PS3 was stronger on paper but at the same time devs struggled to achieve that paper power.
Again i am just assuming current rumors. If that "special souse" will pack some power then i will change my statements. Taking my opinions as absolute fact in case of consoles which are still very much secret (even after leaks) is weird to me.
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Also hardware DSP and decompressor is also noticable upgrade imo fo Orbis.
iamshadowlark
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Source?
JohnnySasaki86
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This. People don't understand these discussions that happen in these rumored leak threads. Same thing happened in Timothy Lottes thread. Where everyone was getting extremely emotiional and upset and calling the guy a biased nobody, when hes the creator of FXAA. Yet all hes doing is giving his opinion based off rumored spec assuming IF they were true. Only difference was it was coming from a guy with a lot more technical knowledge then the average person on GAF. Which should of caused more respect, but yet it caused much more uproar lol.
Any links related to that claim?
AltogetherAndrews
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So what exactly is the real benefit of GDDR5 for games?
Zekra Dezivad
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How much RAM takes 360's OS? And PS3's?
WiiU's OS takes 1GB.
Durango is supposed to take 3GB
Orbis 500MB (half of the WiiU?)
WiiU's OS takes 1GB.
Durango is supposed to take 3GB
Orbis 500MB (half of the WiiU?)
No. It's based on the information I got. But my interpretation could also be wrong.
Do you know what bandwidth is used for? It has a lot of that
Orbis might be indeed noticeably more powerful, but things silly FLOps additions and deliberate ignoring of things like separate memory pools that reduce data traffic between GPU and the main memory when comparing memory design would suggest that you want one side to look much better.
Not as much of a stretch as you might think. Let's say that during development a game on one system averages 60 fps and on the other system it averages 45 - 50 fps. It's likely that for both versions, Vsync would be enabled therefore the 60 fps version would remain at 60 fps and the 45 to 50 fps version would run at 30 fps. Think back to Madden when it was 30 fps on PS3 and 60 fps on 360. It wasn't because the 360 version was optimized twice as well, it was because the PS3 version wasn't optimized will enough to reach a constant 60+ fps.
Wait, fast RAM is associated with better graphics and that is a fact, it's not a marketing buzzword or anything...
lol The gap won't be as big as that but Durango/Orbis are going to make games like X look not as impressive when they get unveiled.
So because the GameCube had much faster ram over Xbox it was more powerful ?
Blast processing was a buzzword associated with a faster CPU.
SniperHunter
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its ok bro, plenty of good looking games on wii u already. wont be like previous gen
Ok, I give up...
Chuck Norris
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JohnnySasaki86
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It didnt really, but I guess if you had to say it was when FP games started looking better on Sony's machine(Uncharted 2, GoW3, Killzone 2, ect)? So I guess 2009/2010.
When it comes to mulitplatform development, if one of the consoles was the lowest common denominator is was probably the PS3. But both consoles are two different with there own advantages and disadvantages to really say that though I think.
With these new ones there will be much more of a lowest common denominator because its much more of a apples to apples comparison.
Dude, you're trying way too hard. It'll only hurt. Just try enjoy the Wii U games you do get.
Anyway, Orbis seems better on paper for now. I wonder how much of that will change once we get no know more of the Durango innards.
Zekra Dezivad
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Thanks!
Yeah it was carnival of stupid.
Yes. Right now from rumors 14CU are for GPU (1,4 Tflop) and 4CU are for CPU (400Gflop +100Gflop from CPU)
There is a reason why PS2, X360, and rumored Durango use Ed/sRam. Bandwith is very important and rumored Orbis have full 4GB of super fast Ram instead of 32MB like in Durango or 10MB for X360. I know latency also is important which is lower in Ed/sram but 4GB of GDDR5 is pretty big deal.
Who said that ? And most of PS3 exclusives does look better (but not that noticable better like PS2 to GC)
Right. Also, just noticed the drive's specs. Wasn't the PS3's drive 2X CLV? Not sure what PCAV is :X
Nice ninja edit. You originally said for graphic showcases, you'll upgrade your PC which still sounds ridiculous.
You know very well that wont happen. Wii u games look marginally better than ps3/x360.infact some sites claim that CPU to be even less powerful than ps3/x360's. dont know how true that claim is but atm wii u doesnt have a game that showcases a next gen leap
ps4 would be atleast 10x as powerful as ps3..its SONY and wont be surprised if the magnitude is higher. SONY knows very well that they need to wow the public if they wanna sell ps4
and as for PC, that is on its way out. wait a year /2 and you will have powerful tablets that play all your games
What's the difference ? Why is that ridiculous ? Are you saying the ps4 will have better graphics than a high end PC ? If so for how long ?
gaming_noob
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G_Berry...what's your avatar from? I've been looking for the screaming driver scene from the movie "Oscar (1991 with Sylvester Stallone)" for a while now with no luck....and that man looks like him.
lol its not worth arguing with this guy.
SniperHunter
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you need to stop trolling. ok so you will stick with wii u and pc....what does that have to do with orbis specs? do you even own a ps3? i doubt it.....
FatalMuzza
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Have there been any updates on the Xbox specs? Or are we still rolling with 9 month old info?
Is tere a chance MS may have boosted the system significantly since then?
Is tere a chance MS may have boosted the system significantly since then?
Who's arguing ? I'm asking pretty simple questions.
Tractopoulpe
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So, now that we have the specs, which one of Durango and Orbis will be the more powerful ? I'm kinda lost in all these numbers I just can't understand haha.
Not sure what you're trying to argue. the Orbis/Durango specs we have so far obliterate the WiiU's in every single aspect. It's not just "faster RAM".
Pcav doesn't exist in bluray, which makes the leak ...interesting
Ehh.. Just write me into PS4/Orbis camp and deal with it and leave me alone.
Your assumption is even worse than mine. Comparing system from design perspective which is stronger is only possible when actual developers will start to work on them. Right now we have just dry power flops of similar hardware. From looks Orbis is the more powerful one. 600 Gflops is not difference which can be filled with "just" better design. You don't have any rumors to prove that Durango design is vastly different or better and will provide filler for this hole in performance.
And again as i said this x times. My opinion is for current rumors. If this "special souse" will have some power in it (from design or pure power) then i will change my statement.
In case you missed it both Durango and Orbis are few times more powerful. It is already Wii -ps360 difference on paper if rumors are true.
Chuck Norris
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You didn't ask a question, you made a laughable statement comparing memory bandwidth to blast processing
I'm not arguing anything . I know Wii u is weaker but the "real next gen" consoles were supposed to be like the leap from Wii - ps3 but its clear its MUCH closer this time around
A lot of the 'power' is more about how these things can be programmed and how data can be moved around between CPU and GPU than just raw numbers.
We will see in few years which where each machines advantages and pitfalls are.
Yeah, thought BD drives were CLV and that's that. Apparently PCAV is just a mix of CLV and CAV. Odd.
what games of durango/orbis have you seen?
im saying that the leap is BIGGER this time seeing this specs.
michaelius
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Is anyone seriously expecting smaller gap ?
720p vs 480p is 2,25 times more pixels to push
1080p vs 720p is 2,25 times more pixels to push
That's before we know if PS4 games will target 30 or 60 fps as desktop 7850 can push most current gen ports into 60 fps area without console like optimisations.
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Memory bandwidth is one measurement of a consoles specs much like a faster CPU ( blast processing) was also one measurement of a consoles specs.
GhostTrick
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That's not true in terms of numbers, and that's not even true in term of architectures/feature sets.