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[Valkyr Junkie]

Oculus Rift requires 60 FPS V synced + 3D.

Obviously it all depends on how good you want your game to look, but yeah...it requires a pretty decent machine.

Aren't the panels in the Rift fairly low-res?

 

[Racer30]

Added functionality on top of a service that is pretty much ESSENTIAL to everyday life. and the fact that Apple's

Spoiler

Steve Jobs

marketing is/was the best in the world especially when it comes to trying to make other products look inferior to their own.

Now I have a question for you what person buys a $90 phone then buys a $600 game console that's like buying a used Pinto and putting 24 inch rims on it.

Actually the 90$ phone gave me MORE features than the Iphone at the time. You dont make sense at all.

It wouldnt need to sell to those buying 90 dollar phones...it could sell to those 90 millions buying Iphones.

 

[Can Crusher]

Aren't the panels in the Rift fairly low-res?

I think they are 720p right now, with intentions of going 1080p.

 

[Racer30]

I disagree.

Ok...

 

[Donnie]

What's even funnier is when you read the posts in this thread when people was saying that we will be lucky if we even get 2GB of Ram in Next Gen Consoles

Don't think anyone seriously said that People did say 4GB was unlikely if it was GDDR5 though and personally I shared that opinion, though I did expect PS4 to come out well before 2014.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I proposed this 6 months ago here, and got slaughtered!

According to GAF this was doable in about 10 years.

what a great business plan. don't have internet? tough luck.

man, i'm out, this is just getting retarded.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Oculus Rift requires 60 FPS V synced + 3D.

Obviously it all depends on how good you want your game to look, but yeah...it requires a pretty decent machine.

probably a big reason Doom 3 was it's first real game

 

[TheExecutive]

Ok...

I rather enjoyed bluray.

 

[Risk Breaker]

I proposed this 6 months ago here, and got slaughtered!

According to GAF this was doable in about 10 years.

Hahaha, I can imagine.

I like physical media a lot, but man, I think they could push the hardware enough to make it worth it. I know it would be a risky decision, but obviously we would need bandwith caps to go away and digital prices to be cheaper.

 

[orioto]

The problem this time is that the consoles barely match the specs of a mid range PC a year BEFORE launch.

This will leave a huge gap at the high end side, and is a free ticket for someone like Samsung if they would want to enter the console space. I`m afraid the PS4 will be so mediocre that it will just fade away like Vita. It wont do anything special, will just be same shit, a little prettier...not sure that will go so well with building hype create "the next big thing".

I`m afraid for Sony at this point, everything is just mediocre. At a good pricepoint maybe, but that wont matter if people just dont care for it or other competition comes along and blows it away.

As Steve Jobs said, you`ve got to give the customers what they dont know they want. What Sony does here (IF the specs are right) is just trying to play it safe, and try to listen to everybody and comes up with something in the middle of everything. Mediocre. Never works in business.

As for Microsoft; they making this mistake shouldnt surprise anyone. Remember when the Iphone was revealed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

This clown doesnt know anything.

Except that's what they did with the Vita, and look. People still don't know they want it.
Now a new Playstation, there is a market for that, don't worry (except in Japan!)

 

[Racer30]

Hahaha, I can imagine.

I like physical media a lot, but man, I think they could push the hardware enough to make it worth it. I know it would be a risky decision, but obviously we would need bandwith caps to go away and digital prices to be cheaper.

I proposed they could make a base SKU digital only, with the possibility to buy a slot in drive add on. That way they could pack it with rendering centric tech only and sell it for 499.

That would be a 5GFlops machine.

 

[Orayn]

I proposed they could make a base SKU digital only, with the possibility to buy a slot in drive add on. That way they could pack it with rendering centric tech only and sell it for 499.

That would be a 5GFlops machine.

A Blu-ray drive is neither expensive nor terrible power hungry. It's not 2006 any more.

 

[Racer30]

Except that's what they did with the Vita, and look. People still don't know they want it.
Now a new Playstation, there is a market for that, don't worry (except in Japan!)

HAHA thats *NOT what they did with the Vita. They build something customers DIDNT want, that wont work

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

Actually the 90$ phone gave me MORE features than the Iphone at the time. You dont make sense at all.

It wouldnt need to sell to those buying 90 dollar phones...it could sell to those 90 millions buying Iphones.

but it won't, not at 600 because most of them won't be able to see the value in a 600 game console because the vast majority of people buying consoles can give 2 shits about graphics I sure as hell don't. Now can I please get the name of this magical $90 super phone?

 

[Razgreez]

I see, so your problem is you think the Oculus requires some super powered behemoth 5flops to pull off? It doesn't, a lot of what the Oculus is is just the right pairing of visual equipment and accelerometers. For a jury-rigged offering on the same page but without that field of view, cast your eyes over this offering:
http://www.iwaggle3d.com/2012/05/datura-hmz-t1-personal-3d-viewer-2nd.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1Bq-9zWvc

Thats with the PS3, current gen tech. The PS4 looking to go 6x-8x beyond, and you dont think it wouldnt be able to support the Rift? No, what Sony is rightfully hesitant about is the theoretical "Buy this $450 console, now buy this $300 headset" market.

Youre getting very confused with GAF tech thread posters and CES tech show aficionados with the rest of the population of Earth. One set is a very slim minority!

You forgot to add Dual-play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hykjEBYzCnE

A seemingly key element in improving immersion. Sony's rumored "break apart" controller really needs to mimic this

 

[Dragon]

Except that's what they did with the Vita, and look. People still don't know they want it.
Now a new Playstation, there is a market for that, don't worry (except in Japan!)

There may not be a home console market in Japan anymore going by how poorly the WiiU is selling there.

 

[Racer30]

A Blu-ray drive is neither expensive nor terrible power hungry. It's not 2006 any more.

It was the biggest cost driving factor in PS3 in 2009. At around 100$...the GPU/RSX was about 30/40$.

In PS4 the drive will most certainly be faster, and more expensive.

 

[Corto]

Based Dennis:

Dennis knows his stuff.

 

[orioto]

There may not be a home console market in Japan anymore going by how poorly the WiiU is selling there.

Oh yeah i agree.
And if there is one, a cheap PS3 will take it.

As crazy as it looks, if i was sony i would make PS3 and 4 game playable with Gakai on Vita.

 

[Racer30]

but it won't, not at 600 because most of them won't be able to see the value in a 600 game console because the vast majority of people buying consoles can give 2 shits about graphics I sure as hell don't. Now can I please get the name of this magical $90 super phone?

Most Nokias could to the same and more to that price..

But I`ll let Ballmer tell you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U&t=0m15s

 

[tzare]

HAHA thats *NOT what they did with the Vita. They build something customers DIDNT want, that wont work

a $600 console is what customers do not want.

 

[iceatcs]

It was the biggest cost driving factor in PS3 in 2009. At around 100$...the GPU/RSX was about 30/40$.

In PS4 the drive will most certainly be faster, and more expensive.

It's not 2009 any more too. It may be still expensive but I'm sure it isn't more than $100 since 12x BD is about $80.

 

[Risk Breaker]

It was the biggest cost driving factor in PS3 in 2009. At around 100$...the GPU/RSX was about 30/40$.

In PS4 the drive will most certainly be faster, and more expensive.

It won't be more expensive, but it will surely use up a lot of space.

 

[Fox_Mulder]

Based Dennis:

Who is he?

 

[Racer30]

It's not 2009 any more too. It may be still expensive but I'm sure it isn't more than $100 anymore since 12x BD is about $80.

Could almost get a second GPU at that price....Cell was 30$ too I think

 

[phosphor112]

I was being facetious, the information you're asking for is very difficult to obtain at this moment, there has been some vague info regarding de SIMD operations but not sure about latencies yet.

I found some general figures here.

EDIT: Gave up trying to compare the SIMD operations.

 

[Racer30]

It won't be more expensive, but it will surely use up a lot of space.

It will be more expensive than in PS3, because it will be faster.

 

[iceatcs]

Could almost get a second GPU at that price....Cell was 30$ too I think

Not really because you need media support for console (DVD is way too low and very slow and expensive). 6x BD is more like $40 or less.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Who is he?

Some random guy

http://neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=58226

 

[Racer30]

a $600 console is what customers do not want.

Because tzare says

 

[Racer30]

Not really because you need media support for console (DVD is way too low and very slow). 6x BD is more like $40 or less.

Ok....link?

 

[Orayn]

It will be more expensive than in PS3, because it will be faster.

There are new Blu-ray burners on Alibaba.com right now for $40-50, and Sony would be getting something less expensive than that for better prices.

 

[davious88]

HAHA thats *NOT what they did with the Vita. They build something customers DIDNT want, that wont work

Consumers want Vita, its just consumers can't afford Vita.

 

[UrbanRats]

Who is he?

A Gaf celebrity.

 

[Racer30]

Not really because you need media support for console (DVD is way too low and very slow and expensive). 6x BD is more like $40 or less.

We talked about digital only/download.

 

[iceatcs]

Ok....link?

Quite hard to find 6X but there is 10X for $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136252

We talked about digital only/download.

I don't see anything to do with BluRay rom. Please stay on topic.

 

[Racer30]

Consumers want Vita, its just consumers can't afford Vita.

Post of thread.

 

[iamshadowlark]

It will be more expensive than in PS3, because it will be faster.

It doesn't work like that.

 

[Racer30]

Quite hard to find 6X but there is 10X for $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136252



I don't see anything to do with BluRay rom. Please stay on topic.

I stand corrected

Anyways, it would be as much as Cell then.

 

[iceatcs]

I stand corrected

Anyways, it would be as much as Cell then.

You look more more fool every posts tho.
DVD is also $40ish too. So no point to replace them because you need them.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

It doesn't work like that.

it doesn't matter, there's something else! :lol

 

[Racer30]

It doesn't work like that.

How does it work, slower more expensive?

 

[Racer30]

You look more more fool every posts tho.
DVD is also $40ish too. So no point to replace them because you need them.

It wouldnt have DVD either.

 

[Orayn]

I stand corrected

Anyways, it would be as much as Cell then.

Adding Cell, RSX, and PS3's RAM would give the Orbis a bigger, more complex motherboard and change its power and cooling requirements.

 

[iceatcs]

It wouldnt have DVD either.

Then it wouldn't have games.

 

[Racer30]

You look more more fool every posts tho.
DVD is also $40ish too. So no point to replace them because you need them.

It wouldnt have DVD either.

And please, keep personal insults to yourself, ape.

 

[Racer30]

Then it wouldn't have games.

LOL

 

[iamshadowlark]

How does it work, slower more expensive?

No. Most Bluray players and drives are faster than the 2x one in the ps3. It's highly possible or even probable that it costs Sony more to make that drive.

 

[Racer30]

No. Most Bluray players and drives are faster than the 2x one in the ps3. It's highly possible or even probable that it costs Sony more to make that drive.

Ok, that I wouldnt know, but I`ll take your word for it.

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

Most Nokias could to the same and more to that price..

But I`ll let Ballmer tell you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U&t=0m15s

why should I give a shit what Balmer says when they keep putting up stuff that gets destroyed because of MARKETING hell they mentioned the Zune in the video I owned both versions of he Zune and where is it now? this means NOTHING!