I don't understand what went through her head when she decided to assault the security guard. I mean, I can see how she felt like he couldn't do anything when she was yelling at him, but once you start assaulting him it's pretty obvious he's going to beat you up or tase your ass.
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Woman gets up in security guard's face, justice ensues
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The Incarnation
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Because you haven't experienced it, that's why you don't buy it. And because you don't buy it other people's life experiences are bullshit.
Just read youtube comments for a good example.
Or opinions about Lewis Hamilton or Serena Williams.
LaserBuddha
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I'm only responding to his posts and DY's, not someone else's that wasn't even quoted
My experience with reality says that no one of any color can get away with acting "ghetto" or whatever their race's equivalent is, unless that is the status quo of where they work to begin with. The idea that a white person would just be written off as having a bad day, yet the black person would be arrested for the same thing, is stupid. If I've ever seen race come into it, it's been when the manager was too scared to address the issue of conduct because he/she was white and the employee wasn't.
It wasn't a statement about personal experience, it was about a status quo, one that I think is bogus.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
You're entitled to think what you want, LaserBuddha. It's not a universal law of nature but it's really not bogus either. I'm not going to debate what would or wouldn't happen in specific scenarios, but I think it's an accurate enough principle to be true more often than not.
In terms of the event itself, she deserved to get tazed, no contest. The retailer really needs to get more security in that store as well if this kind of thing is becoming rampant and encouraging people to come back to harass the guard again.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Did he pull out an actual gun (not a taser) in the second video?
Also the morbidly obese butterball walking past the camera at the end of the first video was just icing on the cake.
Also the morbidly obese butterball walking past the camera at the end of the first video was just icing on the cake.
See, I really want these people to be punished. Maybe not shot with bullets, but tazed or the police to arrest them for threats, lying to police, child endangerment, and anything else they can be charged with that'll stick. Fucking idiots.
Yup and they tried to get cocky talking about how there was no bullet in the chamber. Cannot belive he didn't shoot the one threatening him with the brick OR the one that said "After they kill you, I'm going right in your pockets!"
curlyfriski
Banned
No, the Harvard prof's story is well known because he was famous already, and something that happens quite often (black people being harassed by the police) happened to someone who was on the metaphorical top of the heap--a famous public intellectual. You are seriously equating you not being aware of instances of racist double standards with racist double standards not existing.
GotEmRunnin
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Maybe i can explain it. It's a perception; be it a personal and or a societal one. Example I work at IBM. The motto here is THINK. In my current role we do a lot of strategic thinking on different projects. I can get "passionate" about an idea the same way a colleague of another race can. It's been 3 occasions where I've become passionate about my idea and I've been asked by my manager to stay after the meeting to which she'll ask me if I'm okay do I need to "calm" down where in my mind all I've done is stick to my idea and try to sell it to my peers. My colleague has a known bad temper slamming books, pins, etc,. when things do not go his way; there is no staying after the meeting and in most cases she'll debate with him minutes at a time. My voice may raise, his voice may raise with the inclusion of vulgarities but it's viewed differently by our manager.
You should Google: When keeping it real goes wrong.
Multiple examples will appear in video form that relate to this exact situation.
The Incarnation
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Perhaps, perhaps not. I once got told I was being too aggressive because I simply yawned.
LaserBuddha
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Yes, many times, probably even as we speak, black people are harassed by the police. Which has fuck all to do with what I'm talking about.
The part about me not being aware of double standards is a lie, and the part about me saying they don't exist is a lie. Stop lying. I'm saying I don't believe, as a rule, that acting like trash is considered okay for anyone, including white folks. While every scenario imaginable is out there somewhere, I don't believe that generally the black employee has to speak with perfect diction and tact or face severe consequences whereas the white person can act however he wants. That's a cartoon world. This security guard couldn't act like a hood rat because SECURITY GUARDS can't act like hood rats, it's unprofessional and counter-productive, and a bad idea for any number of reasons.
Was the person telling you this deaf?
SuperAngelo64
Banned
He'll probably get a slap on the wrist and moved to a different site, or fired over this.
You're never supposed to brandish and point a firearm (in private security) unless you are going to pull the trigger in the event that your life is literally threatened (armed offenders displaying intent to kill). This is the first thing they teach you in class. The only reason he pulled it is because he knew the police were on their way and he was keeping them at bay, it sucks, but you're not allowed to do that.
So even though a lot of you seem to be pulling for this guy, in all honesty he's probably going to get fired for this. I've seen it happen.
SneakyStephan
Banned
What am I reading.
US gaf: why does a mall cop have a gun in your country?
Why does he point a gun at people (no matter how obnoxious they are behaving?
It's hard to make out what they are saying with all the slang and mumbling but I'm pretty sure I heard the guard say 'you're going to die right here'.
I'd feel terrified if I lived in a country with so many loonies and many of them had guns.
Change your laws and your ways,seriously.
LaserBuddha
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The guy out on the sidewalk said that. After this video, I don't see how anyone isn't in favor of at least THIS guard having a gun. That tazer is great until he misses, or is dealing with more than one person.
He kept the gun aimed down, after being forced to draw it when the guy ran up with a brick. He was absolutely in the right, not just morally but procedurally. People tend to get moved after this stuff sometimes because of conduct, but mostly because of potential retaliation.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
1. Because we don't want to die. Sometimes it does get that brutal. It's not like we can just sign an application for McDonald's and someone gives us a gun. We have to have a livescan (background check) and training through a certified class (which usually costs around 400$, and then you have to renew it 4 times a year at 80$ a pop) to carry a firearm and the client (site owner) has to be in favor of it. Personally, I don't like guns. I see it as a tool for a job, like a drill, or a wrench.
2. See my above post.
curlyfriski
Banned
You said the Gates case was noteworthy because it was exceptional. I said it was noteworthy only because he was famous. How does that not have to do with what you said?
The point is that the actions of black people are interpreted differently than the actions of white people. A black person will be read as acting unacceptably in circumstances where a white person would not, and you can just read this thread for examples of that.
LaserBuddha
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Did you ignore the second part of that sentence you're referencing, where I said it shouldn't be used as an example of anything we're talking about? Maybe you should just let this go.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
OK. I don't think anyone will disagree on that.
No one will front you for that either because no one is arguing that. I believe what people are saying is that, for example, a black male will be more harshly judged for what is seen as erratic or inappropriate behavior, or even have their regular behavior interpreted as erratic and unacceptable, more so than, for example, a white male.
I think this is a fair assertion.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Brutal? Are we watching the same video?
This is a situation that warrants pulling out a gun or owning a gun for?
Idiots with fragile egos talking shit?
Why would anything happen to the mall cop if he didnt have a gun or draw a gun? What would possibly make you think that?
I'm sorry I just really can't understand the 'self defence' or 'protection' angle americans always seem to take.
Let's humor you and say it got out of hand and they were gona beat him up, that's worth killing one of them over? How do you even get to that kind of logic? Is a life worth nothing in American culture?
It's the 21st century, the rest of the world got over this vigilante justice mentality 200 years ago.
I'm not just taking a stab at you for the hell of it, being confronted with this video I just don't get the reactions or the cop pulling out a gun. It's like staring through a portal to some alternate reality where everyone is either scared of everyone or overly rash or both.
How can you function as a society when you are afraid of your fellow man in public.
curlyfriski
Banned
What are you talking about? It's a perfect example because it proves the underlying principle, that black people will be treated differently even if they're famous, a Harvard professor, and live in a nice neighborhood.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I said to read my above post. I said that in that particular situation he wasn't justified in brandishing his weapon.
But to answer your "Why would anything happen to the mall cop if he didnt have a gun or draw a gun? What would possibly make you think that?"
I've been working in unarmed and armed security in both inner-city and suburban sites for about 4 years now. Yes, a guard that is not armed will occasionally have their life threatened with a deadly weapon (knife, blunt object, etc.). The offender might have reasons for wanting to critically wound a or kill a guard from anything as crazy as being under the influence of a substance, or as minute as showing off for his boys.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I can't imagine a single reason for a mall guard or anyone to need a gun.
Unless you are out in the wilderness and might get mauled by a bear, or you have to protect a money truck for a bank why on earth would you need a gun?
NOONE here has a gun, NOONE, do you think we all get murdered and beaten to death and robbed on the street or something?
I've lived in some really poor neighbourhoods during most of my youth never heard of anyone having anything like that happen to them.
Sure there is more crime (smashed car windows by drunks or kids, stolen car stereos, some burglaries or shoplifting or pickpocketing) but I've never met anyone who is scared for their own safety.
I seriously can't fathom where this terrible fear of your fellow man comes from, it has to be a cultural thing, and it is all kinds of messed up.
Again, how do you function as a society (not very well judging from these kinds of videos).
Again, from the PoV of an outsider it's like I'm looking at some batman universe caricature. It's just ridiculous.
edit: read your security guard experience and I still don't see it.
Over here security guards (for a mall or a club, banks don't even have any and public event ones are unarmed too, not talking about armored transports obviously) have a walkie talkie and female ones have a can of mace.
The talkies use a channel shared with someone from the local police and they call for the police if something bad happens. Which is plenty of detterant over here.
My aunt (almost 60 now, 5'2" 100 pounds) worked as what is known as 'green police' here in the worst neighbourhoods for over 15 years and I've never heard her mention being afraid for her well being. Her job was to patrol the neighbourhoods at night, stop vandalism and break up disturbances and try to settle arguments between residents before they get too out of hand and be a liaison to the city/police for the resident's problems.
She sure didn't need a gun to break up some arguing hotheads or neighbours. The 'green police's ' job was to keep the peace for the kind of stuff in the video, things that aren't worth wasting the police's time with.
I'll have to show her these videos and this topic sometime to hear from her perspective.
To be fair, we also don't have the problem of people being afraid of the police here. Again I think it's a serious cultural problem that you need to solve.
Living in fear and feeling the need to protect yourself from fellow people in what is supposed to be a modern society can't be a nice way to live.
To summarise: I just don't understand where this notion comes from that you need to be afraid of or protect yourself from others, especially with something like a gun that can take a life in a second.
LaserBuddha
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That's fine, I thought the point was brought up to imply that this guard had to maintain a professional attitude because he was black, not because all armed security has to do that. it's also a really terrible idea for from a practical standpoint for a guard to argue on an even level with these kinds of people.
I'd like to take the opportunity to point out for Atlanta-GAF's sake that while Atlanta is bad, this kind of shit happens all over the south all the time. Statistics will say confirm crime is worse in some of the larger northern and western cities, but damn if we don't have shit like this happen every night in just about every club. It didn't seem nearly as frequent when I've visited Cali.
GotEmRunnin
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so I just watched the 2nd video. These guys have a huge problem. I could never be a security guard. I feel bad for this guy.
Death Threats.
Nosy People
Heckling
Intent to steal; I'm going straight in your pocket when you dead
Stay classy ATL
Death Threats.
Nosy People
Heckling
Intent to steal; I'm going straight in your pocket when you dead
Stay classy ATL
LaserBuddha
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I think when you grow up there you learn real quick that there's a 99% chance that these guys are full of shit when they talk about coming back to shoot you. You realize that they probably have multiple encounters like this per week and obviously aren't shooting all those people they are threatening. But you never know if/when that 1% will come.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I gave you a reason why.
The fact of the matter is that guns exist, and intent to kill exists.
In an ideal world there would be no guns, It would be awesome if one day they all just disappeared. But they haven't.
It could very well be a 'cultural thing', and believe me I'm the last person who will stand up and beat my chest over US culture and it's violent bullshit, but it really seems like you just want to wag your finger from the outside without actually experiencing what goes on here.
The_Squirrel_Menace
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And I thought my job is shit.
SneakyStephan
Banned
No, I see people claim he should have shot them or all that 'right to defend himself within the law' crap and from my perspective it's all crazy talk.
As I said, I've lived in some really poor neighbourhoods (with lots of those immigrants that everone in the world is apparently so afraid of but totally without being racist) and while there were fights and arguments and crime I never heard of people murdering eachother over petty arguments or petty pride in the streets, least of all in some mall in broad daylight with 50 witnesses.
It's ridiculous to me that this mall guard should have somehow been fearful for his life.
Was it white t-shirt and or white wife beater day or something?
Anyway, that video angers me to no end. Fucking despicable way to behave, and the kids are already influenced by the behavior of the parents. I honestly don't think they'll take any lessons away from this. They still look too young to grasp the concept of consequences for negative behavior. And judging by the behavior of the mother, I'm sure, at home, they are never disciplined in the proper way for their own negative behavior.
I'm glad she got the taser treatment, but I'm not hopeful of the kids getting out of this horrible home.
Anyway, that video angers me to no end. Fucking despicable way to behave, and the kids are already influenced by the behavior of the parents. I honestly don't think they'll take any lessons away from this. They still look too young to grasp the concept of consequences for negative behavior. And judging by the behavior of the mother, I'm sure, at home, they are never disciplined in the proper way for their own negative behavior.
I'm glad she got the taser treatment, but I'm not hopeful of the kids getting out of this horrible home.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Oh, well anyone who says that he had the right to shoot anyone in that situation is wrong.
His life definitely wasn't being threatened there.
If I were his supervisor I'd suspend him for brandishing like that.
Mammoth Jones
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No way on Earth is that job worth all that stress. Fuck that noise.
captmcblack
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The whole thing sucks.
The women were wrong to loiter and attack. The security guard instructed them to leave, told them to get their children, didn't provoke them, and only responded once attacked/threatened.
The guard wasn't wrong, but it's unsavory to have to hurt a woman (even a ratchet-y one like that), especially in front of her kids.
Those kids are just tragic; it's unfortunate that they are raised like that, and are going to grow up emulating their bird mother. Where is/are the father(s)?
The situation is even more tragic; I wish the black community could rally and make things like this unacceptable in America. I wish the American community didn't take these events to be reflective of all black people - women, men, youth, communities, etc - or all related cultures, like hip-hop culture, or culture in Atlanta.
I just wish it didn't happen...it's just unsavory overall, and there's no good way to handle it.
The women were wrong to loiter and attack. The security guard instructed them to leave, told them to get their children, didn't provoke them, and only responded once attacked/threatened.
The guard wasn't wrong, but it's unsavory to have to hurt a woman (even a ratchet-y one like that), especially in front of her kids.
Those kids are just tragic; it's unfortunate that they are raised like that, and are going to grow up emulating their bird mother. Where is/are the father(s)?
The situation is even more tragic; I wish the black community could rally and make things like this unacceptable in America. I wish the American community didn't take these events to be reflective of all black people - women, men, youth, communities, etc - or all related cultures, like hip-hop culture, or culture in Atlanta.
I just wish it didn't happen...it's just unsavory overall, and there's no good way to handle it.
Mammoth Jones
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Hi i'm Caleb
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Yeah pretty much.
Spring-Loaded
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Anyone want to make a wall of shame for this thread?
LaserBuddha
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I agree with you, but the same discussion has been had before about Islamic extremism, and it was determined that to ask Muslims to take action on it, or even speak against it, was considered insulting and bigoted. While, like I said, I agree with you, I wonder is this really a different argument, and if they are the same, which answer is the right one?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He's probably already fired for this, or he knows it's coming, which is why this is on liveleak & worldstarhiphop in the first place.
Lionel Mandrake
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Not a big enough paycheck in the world...
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
He's in Germany. His options for this are London or Rome. Maybe some parts of Paris.
There should be some certification process involved, at the end of which you are provided a commemorative Members Only jacket with an embroidered "He Can Say It" badge. However, with great power comes great responsibility... you can't go lending that out like it's a top hat.
I'd ordinarily suggest that you bomb one of the simp theads and ask "why so white culture encourages embarassing behavior that inhibits reproductive opportunities" in which you can also discuss when it's ok to use the "h-word", but I'm not sure if the passive-aggressive racists would recognize a dig at passive-aggressive racism.
Depends on the industry. While it's definitely true that redneck speech patterns won't be as limiting on your opportunities as AAVE, I've had to work on my own speech to be taken seriously in the business world. Sometimes it can be used as a weapon, though... I can go into an audit meeting and sound like I'm a bumpkin and then set people up to get filleted if they underestimate me. If I'm out at a rig for a review, reverting can also can be used to get a rapport with the roughnecks. However, if I were in finance, it wouldn't be tolerated.
Chris Rock wasn't lying when he said there are two types of black people. The problem is that the way it is now is likely how it will be for decades to come. There is very little positive reinforcement in music (a huge part of black culture) and a complete lack of the importance in education. And to say that you wish the black community could make things like this unacceptable is like saying you wish the white community would make mass killings in America unacceptable. It just doesn't work that way because there are so many factors involved.
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