Death Dealer
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Yeah Inquirer didn't know at the time how much Cell would contribute to helping RSX with geometry, vertex culling, AA etc.
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Yeah Inquirer didn't know at the time how much Cell would contribute to helping RSX with geometry, vertex culling, AA etc.
Sorry, not much of a tech head but I was wondering if these 4 CU's, which are more on the CPU's side, could be used for tessellation?
My limited understanding is normally the basic mesh goes from CPU to GPU, then the GPU handles tessellation. If these CU's are used for compute functions, it would make sense (to me at least) that these CU's do the heavy lifting all on the CPU's side of the APU, without clogging up the works between CPU & GPU
It would also make a bit of sense when they used the term "hardware balanced"
AltogetherAndrews
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Jaguar makes me all nostalgic about 3D Labs Wildcat.
amstradcpc
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Standard FPUs in Jaguar are doubled from 64 bits in Bobcat to 128 bits width.
Brad Grenz
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Just the RFID reader.
Gemüsepizza
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As many as on the next Xbox. Or do you honestly believe Sony will implement such a feature when Microsoft won't do something similar? That's absurd.
lightchris
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thanks.
GCN should have standard tesselation support in the triangle setup unit - I don't think it varies by the number of CUs, so it should have similar triangle setup and tesselation performance as a 7950 I think, its a fixed function unit.
might be possible to augment that with the 'spare' CUs if it isn't enough or you want to do something special
Brad Grenz
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Should be identical to a Radeon 7970 or 7870, adjusted for clock speed, no?
Makes sense. I assume the tesselation performance of a 7950 is pretty good? I guess it hasn't been used quite enough yet to really tell.
yes and yes. Its one area I'm interested in seeing be exploited - PC games seem to be mostly tinkering round the edges.
79xx series is supposed to be 'up to 4x' tesselation performance compared to 6xxx series.
there are some good white papers and developer docs online, they're fairly readable.
phosphor112
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XDR was about the same speed as GDDR5. But memory speed on a cpu has no really any performance gain since ddr2.
This whole post is all sorts of bad.
Try putting GDDR5 into a PS3 or 360 in 2006, see how much that costs and how much heat issues they'd get (more than they already have). XDR runs significantly cooler.
Also, Cell isn't a "CPU". It is very bandwidth limited. XDR was as cheap as they can get with the low power requirements and high bandwidth speeds.
I don't know how you can ignore such things, but ok.
Memory speed effect on APU A10 5800k test:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2106/1/
A modified or similar version of this APU is reportedly in dev kits. Memory speed does have a noticible effect on performance.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2106/1/
A modified or similar version of this APU is reportedly in dev kits. Memory speed does have a noticible effect on performance.
Can Crusher
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Pretty big difference honestly.
It's looking more and more like Sony was right, and bandwidth is the key issue.
TheRagnCajun
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So no ac wifi? I was kinda hoping ps4 would have it. Its sort of the barrier to wifi streaming of HD content.
velociraptor
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Now that is interesting.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I like how http://us.playstation.com/ps4/ redirects to frontpage.
phosphor112
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-Pyromaniac-
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people thought otherwise? I tuned out of this thread a while ago so I don't know.
Can Crusher
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There are no 4 year olds in Japan. Kids just go from 3 to 5.
Fixed.
Terbinator
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This is trivial to an extent though.
The GPU portion is obviously going to show massive increases in performance due to how hamstrung it is bandwidth wise (128bit bus means as much MHz as it can get is ideal) relative to its shading power.
If you look at the 1080p results too, the difference is minimal versus 720p.
For our purely academic purposes, we could do with them experimenting with various RAM pools too.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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ScepticMatt
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Consoles may be a lot more efficient and have extra hardware, but I still don't see how a 1.2 TF GPU should be outperforming a 4+ TFLOPs GPU.
In any case, I hope some of the extra power is put into image quality (shameless copy from Crysis 3 beta thread)
PS3/PC high
Sidewinder
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PS4 = PS3 system software update confirmed!! Gaikai??
phosphor112
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Touche.
Also, related to that bandwidth thing above.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-5.html
If the unthinkable does happen... Reserve your meltdown for E3.
Hmmmm. Don't think this was doing that recently?
nelsonroyale
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Crysis 3 on ps3 looks pretty poor...
phosphor112
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lol'd
Hahaha. I mean us.playstation.com/ps5 404s rather than redirects, for example. Whereas other bad urls redirect to the homepage. Strange their 404-catcher doesn't pick them all up. At least in my browser...
They're just working if you use .gif or something behind it.
But for ps4 you don't have to use that.
http://us.playstation.com/ps5 for example doesn't work.
-Pyromaniac-
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ahaha yeah it didn't work until I added .gif at the end.
Shitty compared to what though? I think that's what is missing from that equation. Shitty compared to the other GPU options at the time? Not at all. Shitty compared to Xenos? That's an exaggeration but that has more to do with AMD providing a better than expected GPU than Nvidia providing a lackluster GPU.
I really hope we get a Crysis 3 re-release on next gen consoles. If I knew it was a launch title for Orbis, I'd skip the current gen versions and just wait for that.
Looks like memory speed is even more important now than 3-4 years ago. It preatty much sums what i was talking about. With next gen games amount of things on screen will need fast ram. Without it your hardware will be starved.
30% difference is big deal. With closed system to metal coding it will be even more important.
4GB GDDR5 was 10/10 shot from Sony
It won't, but PC GPUs are severely underutilized. You can max out Crysis 2 on something like 800GFLOps GPU in terms of effects etc., and it's still probably the prettiest PC game. 1.2TFLOps should be easily capable of providing imagery pretty enough for the general audience, obviously gaming enthusiasts will stick to PCs but we've known it'd be this way ever since MS and Sony wasted billions while Nintendo was outselling them handily in 2006-2009.
Good news: sony joins the HSA Foundation:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30278-hsa-foundation-gets-few-more-members
The HSA (Heterogeneous System Architecture) Foundation is a not-for-profit consortium for SoC IP vendors, OEMs, academia, SoC vendors, OSVs and ISVs whose goal is to make it easy to program for parallel computing. HSA members are building a heterogeneous compute ecosystem, rooted in industry standards, for combining scalar processing on the CPU with parallel processing on the GPU while enabling high bandwidth access to memory and high application performance at low power consumption. HSA defines interfaces for parallel computation utilizing CPU, GPU and other programmable and fixed function devices, and support for a diverse set of high-level programming languages, thereby creating the next foundation in general purpose computing.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30278-hsa-foundation-gets-few-more-members
The HSA (Heterogeneous System Architecture) Foundation is a not-for-profit consortium for SoC IP vendors, OEMs, academia, SoC vendors, OSVs and ISVs whose goal is to make it easy to program for parallel computing. HSA members are building a heterogeneous compute ecosystem, rooted in industry standards, for combining scalar processing on the CPU with parallel processing on the GPU while enabling high bandwidth access to memory and high application performance at low power consumption. HSA defines interfaces for parallel computation utilizing CPU, GPU and other programmable and fixed function devices, and support for a diverse set of high-level programming languages, thereby creating the next foundation in general purpose computing.
[Clark Gable]
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The worst part of these new generations is that eveyone thinks they engineered these systems. No one has a clue what's actually happening behind the scenes except the people working on these machines. You idiots think MS is going to intentionally gimp their system? Reserve your judgment until official specs are released and games are shown.
AgentP
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I was trying to start a discussion about this back on the 18th, no one was interested.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46597467&postcount=7419
One can only hope. Vita was a mistake of a name for example. Let's see if they learned.