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ScraftyDevil

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At the very, very least, Gen I is the absolute worst mechanically and aesthetically. I'm not even going to get into the myriad of problems the games have beneath that.
 
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zroid

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ScraftyDevil said:
At the very, very least, Gen I is the absolute worst mechanically and aesthetically
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Yes. F those games. I still can't believe there are people who want it on the 3DS Virtual Console. -_-

If I had to I guess I'd play FR/LG, but I really have little interest in going back to anything pre-Gen IV.
 
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Even FR/LG feel extremely dated just because of how much they do to make the games feel like Gen 1 again.

It's one of the worst things about them. HG/SS went about it much better.
 
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Zeer0id said:
Yes. F those games. I still can't believe there are people who want it on the 3DS Virtual Console. -_-

If I had to I guess I'd play FR/LG, but I really have little interest in going back to anything pre-Gen IV.
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Unfortunately, a large number of Pokémon "fans" are trapped in the past and refuse to acknowledge the newer games as superior entities, mechanics-wise at least.

They're almost as bad as people who seriously suggest Pokémon MMOs or mobile games :p
 
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Honestly I can't touch even Gen IV nowadays. I struggled through my attempt at replaying Soul Silver. The speed kills me, the lack of infinite TM bothers me, and the need to bring HM slaves annoy me.

ScraftyDevil said:
Unfortunately, a large number of Pokémon "fans" are trapped in the past and refuse to acknowledge the newer games as superior entities, mechanics-wise at least.

They're almost as bad as people who seriously suggest Pokémon MMOs or mobile games :p
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I like to think that they're not Pokemon fans but more of nostalgia fans - that they only like their childhood memories more than the titles associated with them.

Also holy shit, there's a terrible Kotaku article about Pokemon. Oh god keep it away! Highlights include thinking dual types, EVs and IVs are new and that "new Pokemon are terrible because you have to catch more".
 
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zroid

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Haha is that the "let's rank Pokemon games" one? Having seen only the headline, I knew I wouldn't be wanting to go anywhere near that nonsense.
 
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SenorArdilla said:
Clefairy was almost Ash's first pokemon. Instead of Pokémon Yellow, we would have gotten Pokémon Pink.
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If I'm happy about globalization and focus testing for anything, it's that Pikachu ended up being the series mascot and not Clefairy.

I have trouble imagining the world where that didn't end up being the case.
 
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ScraftyDevil

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Well then!

Take a gander at this, but abandon all hope ye who enter.

Seriously, if you're a fan of the series' current state or get easily ticked off by Genwunners, avoid this article like the plague.
 
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injurai

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ScraftyDevil said:
Well then!

Take a gander at this, but abandon all hope ye who enter.

Seriously, if you're a fan of the series' current state or get easily ticked off by Genwunners, avoid this article like the plague.
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Kotaku...

that may be among the most atrocious things I have ever seen...

I feel like this Umbreon now...

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Kokonoe

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Zeer0id said:
Yes. F those games. I still can't believe there are people who want it on the 3DS Virtual Console. -_-

If I had to I guess I'd play FR/LG, but I really have little interest in going back to anything pre-Gen IV.
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Yeah, I can't believe people want games they like on the VC too. Darn those people, there is something obviously wrong with them.

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Unfortunately, a large number of Pokémon "fans" are trapped in the past and refuse to acknowledge the newer games as superior entities, mechanics-wise at least.
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I feel like I'm going to have to take off my gentlewoman's gloves.
 
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Kokonoe

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ScraftyDevil said:
Give me ten minutes to prepare, and we'll have a grand verbal joust.
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Well there isn't really anything to debate, you mentioned people are trapped in the past in response to someone who can't believe would want to play an older game on the VC.

As for mechanics, there are some things that are indeed more convenient like the item menu, but battling style is purely preference. With each generation some things improve while other things falter. Every gen has their issues with balance, but that doesn't stop someone from preferring that over the other.
 
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God you people are wayy too obnoxious about people liking Red/Blue


I mean I can't get back to the game either because I do find it outdated myself but wow, what the heck is your issue with people wanting it on VC?
 
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Kokonoe

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I wouldn't play Red and Blue competitively either, but I still enjoy the game myself. I still like Mario NES, I still like Zelda NES. Time hasn't changed that.
 
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ScraftyDevil

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Kokonoe said:
Well there isn't really anything to debate, you mentioned people are trapped in the past in response to someone who can't believe would want to play an older game on the VC.

As for mechanics, there are some things that are indeed more convenient like the item menu, but battling style is purely preference. With each generation some things improve while other things falter. Every gen has their issues with balance, but that doesn't stop someone from preferring that over the other.
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I was mostly being facetious, but I do have a problem with people who think Gen I is the Gospel and that the newer gens "tarnish its legacy" or whatever. People can want what they want; I have no problem with that.
 
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On a side note that Kotaku article is actually terrible


but Kotaku is AWFUL in general anyways, it's best to pretend they don't exist.
 
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zroid

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Yeah, I can't believe people want to revisit games they loved as a kid. So horrible of them!
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Who said it was horrible? People can do what they want. I just think those games are dated and far worse than the other games that succeeded them in every single way. I don't always understand why people want things, but I don't object to their right to want them.

I mean I certainly wouldn't buy a game on VC that I believe has been bettered in every way possible except as a curiosity.
 
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Zeer0id said:
Who said it was horrible? People can do what they want. I just think those games are dated and far worse than the other games that succeeded them in every single way. I don't always understand why people want things, but I don't object to their right to want them.
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The tone of your post rubbed me off the wrong way though, but okay.
 
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Zeroth

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Before people pile up on Kotaku (er, too late), it's worth noting that is a user contribution, the Kotaku writers didn't write it at all.
 
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Drago

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Don't ever google image search Lopunny

it will scar you, that picture is incredibly tame compared to some of the other things there
 
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SenorArdilla

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For those who really want to know:
Kotaku said:
1. Let us customize out characters, at least to an extent. I'm fine with you guys sticking with sprites instead of 3D models, but give us some degree of customization. Different hats and hairstyles, clothes, skin color, eye color, and maybe even a few facial-hair options (nothing burly, just something a 17-year-old or younger might grow). Just make sure we can alter the appearance later, and maybe include a nice "Default" option for those who prefer the old experience.

2. Remove that God-forsaken EV and IV systems. EV'ing was a horrendous system to begin with, but when coupled with IV's, they just completely ruined the game for the casual player. In the late 90's, that was the beauty of Pokémon; anybody could feel competitive, if they played smart. Now, you just have to do ridiculous grinds, cheat, or don't even bother. It feels less like a game and more like work — something I just can't support.

3. Quit adding new Pokémon. Seriously, just stop it for right now. Focus on either giving each Pokémon a fully-3D model, or just adding a lot more frames of animation for each one. If you can handle that for all 450-ish Pokémon, great. If not, just do the first 151 — I'm sure a lot of players would give an "Anniversary Edition" a shot!

4. Remove Breeding. I'm sure this would be a controversial change, but it really has had a negative impact on the Trading community. "Legendary" Pokémon have become the only ones of any significant value, and being able to just breed Pokémon A) just seems really weird anyways, and B) robs you of that thrill of the hunt.

5. After beating the game, let us make our own Custom Gyms! Let us have X amount of Gym Trainers for our Gym, allowing us to equip them with any Pokémon we possess, and give us a variety of Themes, and let us lay down different types of blocks. It may sound like a strange feature to request, but I guarantee it would take off. At the least, let us customize our house (or perhaps import it from Animal Crossing somehow?)

6. Keep the Story to a minimum. Mewtwo was really cool because he broke out of a lab, and was like a "secret character". Some of the later games, though, just feel... well, stupid. Arceus is a Pokémon that apparently created the universe? Other Pokémon can control Time and Space, and even save the planet when the sun goes out? Just keep it simple and a little more believable. Pokémon's strong suit was always in that, as a kid, you felt like you could really go out into the woods and maybe see a Pokémon — the more extraordinary you get, the less "magic" it has.

7. Rather than any Pokémon being trapped in the pokeball you threw at it (which I'll admit, does make sense), why not also give us the option to use a single, custom Pokémon? Give us a variety of stickers and such to customize it, or even just use the appearance of those ones we really like (such as the surprisingly-memorable Master Ball).

8. Add some kind of Co-Op element. Even if you're not able to traverse the entire world together, I'm sure there could be some cool ideas. Perhaps a "Dungeon" that only allows you to use pre-set Pokémon, and requires both of you to work as a team. You can split up to solve puzzles, but the moment one of you enters combat, you're both thrust into the same battle. Whether it's for a special Badge, super-rare Pokémon, or even just for fun, I'm sure it would be a blast!

9. Give us a true reward for hitting those "Caught 'em All" benchmarks. For example, if you catch all 150 from the original games, only then should we be able to catch our own Mew. Continue doing Events, if you must, but allow us to catch our own truly rare Pokémon, don't just hand them to us at some arbitrary time or location.

10. Don't tell us who we are. The more back-story you add to our character, the more bogged-down it feels. Just say we're students of some kind who were relocated to aid our game's Professor with some research. Let us develop our Rival naturally, like in the Silver/Gold games. Similarly, rather than purchasing a "Red" or "Blue" version, why not tie the Pokémon that appear to who your starter Pokémon is?
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To be fair, it's on "Speak Up". But, it's still a damn stupid article.
 
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