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[BronsonLee]

He can try to refute the charge as fraud, doesn't mean that he'll be able to get back the money. Who cares, the whole donation drive was a stupid idea in the first place due to reasons like this. So if you want to blame, don't blame the guy, blame Mr Wizard and co for thinking it's a good idea to encourage people to buy their way into the EVO lineup.

How was it a bad idea? Donating to charity to get your game in is actually quite sound. The smash community assumed victory until SG brought it, and now ST.

Honestly? I hope SG wins. Smash and ST have/had their day in the sun. Give it to the community that did the most with the least.

 

[Busaiku]

Koogy, drop the bomb today!
Those 401ks got nothing on a booming apparel designer!

 

[SloaneRisette]

Koogy's gonna drop the bomb today.
Those 401ks got nothing on a booming apparel designer!

He'll donate $50k in "In Dust We Trust" shirts for dat GG 8th spot.

 

[blurrygil]

I like Project A Jackie cause of that sick outfit.

I should be playing that game right now.

I had SO much fun with this game BITD. AND it's sequel.

But man, it's like the equivalent of eating an entire family-sized bag of Funyuns...

 

[Deps]

The salt is delicious, lets go ST!

 

[IntelliHeath]

Yeah, ST is constantly changing. Players finding new information about O.Hawk loops just shows how much is still left to discover.

LET'S GO ST!

Oh WOW. I hope Thawk would win ST 2013.

 

[DiscoShark]

Refer to my comment when it comes to taking the entire charity as a competition, because that's what a very vocal base considers this to be. I wasn't talking about my view on this personally. If you didn't cherry pick that particular line you'd might have noticed that what I said was I don't see why I should feel bad for him donating to that particular game in this moment of time if it loses the race, assuming that was all he was in it for.

I'm glad it goes to charity, and that's what it should be considered. It's just a shame a lot of people don't, so this kind of instance was really inevitable.

No, I read what you said pretty clearly I think. The first line is something I agree with, if he wanted to make the snipe count, then waiting for the last possible moment was the way to guarantee that it would.

My objection is still with calling the tactic "low". Even if we remove the context of the charity there is nothing inherently low about waiting for the last possible moment before revealing your hand. It's not low if the donation comes from 1 person versus 1000. There are no rules here beyond ensuring corporations do not get involved. The possibility was known (or should have been known) to everyone before donating that snipes in this type of contest were a very real threat. And ultimately the person or people who've donated to ST haven't created a disparity large enough to make any community outright give up hope either, so I'm failing to see the big deal.

Apologies for the hostility in the last post but I'm still failing to see the point of the original comment, is your problem that this individual / group have single handedly made ST a viable candidate?

It's just a shame a lot of people don't, so this kind of instance was really inevitable.

It's just compounded when things like this are said, it's a shame that people decided to generously support a third party versus going with the top two contenders in the final day? What instance are you referring to that deserves a sense of shame?

 

[Fraeon]

I don't think ST and Melee are comparable in terms of how much exposure and support each has received. =/

Well, doesn't Smash have its own events with massive amounts of participants? ~400 at Apex and ~200 at a Europe only event like Melee Grande is nothing to sneeze at. Just because it hasn't gotten any regular FGC exposure doesn't mean none exists.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Well, doesn't Smash have its own events with massive amounts of participants? ~400 at Apex and ~200 at a Europe only event like Melee Grande is nothing to sneeze at. Just because it hasn't gotten any regular FGC exposure doesn't mean none exists.

Yeah Melee doesn't have the exposure in the FGC general community, but for it's had infinitely larger tournaments. ST has always consistently gotten low turnouts throughout it's life span in tournaments, and has never had anywhere near the actual community that smash has. The outspoken praise it gets from the casual vocal minority makes it seem a lot bigger than it ever actually was.

 

[Gunstarheroes]

So i've been following this thread for a while, but man, i'd be kind of bummed to see Super Turbo sneak up and beat the other 2. Those 2 both have scenes that i'd love to see get some exposure. Street Fighter 2 is probably the most boring choice out of any of them.

But hey, 6-figures for breast cancers. That's pretty damn sweet.

Edit: Not that editing the wrong number is gonna help me now, but i'll do it anyways.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

You kind of just told me exactly why the comparison does work. Both games have rules that are old as dirt, but are still breathing life because of new players playing the games in new ways. The tier lists are always changing, there's new technology all the time. This is my point - it doesn't matter that the games are old, because the players make it new.

Yeah, his analogy is a bit flawed in that he's comparing the metagame in baseball to the packaged Super Turbo game. Not to mention that a large team sport like baseball will have higher potential for variability because of the fact.

When was the last time the actual core game of baseball changed? I'm not talking about rulings made by Bud Selig like infield flies or replay for home runs. I'm talking about something like A11 football that fundamentally changes how baseball is played.

 

[alstein]

How was it a bad idea? Donating to charity to get your game in is actually quite sound. The smash community assumed victory until SG brought it, and now ST.

Honestly? I hope SG wins. Smash and ST have/had their day in the sun. Give it to the community that did the most with the least.

ST has had chance after chance, and it's largely the illuminati who wants this game anyways. Skullgirls would have benefitted so much from Evo exposure, but the fanbase is just too small, even if they are dedicated, and I respect that.

 

[FallingEdge]

Yeah Melee doesn't have the exposure in the FGC general community, but for it's had infinitely larger tournaments. ST has always consistently gotten low turnouts throughout it's life span in tournaments, and has never had anywhere near the actual community that smash has. The outspoken praise it gets from the casual vocal minority makes it seem a lot bigger than it ever actually was.

X-Mania? Superstar Cup?

 

[Busaiku]

But hey, 9-figures for breast cancers. That's pretty damn sweet.

ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS

 

[BronsonLee]

ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS

Are we trying to get a game into EVO or protect a mob boss?! [/SWAT]

 

[Fraeon]

ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS

Bison dollars?

 

[FindMyFarms]

X-Mania? Superstar Cup?

That's japan.

Also comparing the depth and variation of any pro sport to ST is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

[FallingEdge]

That's japan.

Still a part of the community.

 

[Fersis]

Smash is winning right now.

 

[vocab]

Hope st wins so I can watch findmyfarms flip his shit.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Still a part of the community.

The evo community? No, they're really not.

Hope st wins so findmyfarms flips his shit.

Haha nah I"m straight, we got good games like AE, Tag2, and KOF13 in it already, and of course that MAHVEL so I'm not too worried about the 8 spot. I just always gotta chime in when people come in praising ST to high heavens as if it's a fact that it's a good game.

edit - Yes in case there's any confusion, I am saying that Marvel 3 is a better game than ST

 

[oneida]

Also comparing the depth and variation of any pro sport to ST is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

All I've said is that the "old game" factor is utter nonsense.

 

[FallingEdge]

The evo community? No, they're really not.

Yeah Melee doesn't have the exposure in the FGC general community, but for it's had infinitely larger tournaments. ST has always consistently gotten low turnouts throughout it's life span in tournaments, and has never had anywhere near the actual community that smash has. The outspoken praise it gets from the casual vocal minority makes it seem a lot bigger than it ever actually was.

You do not mention EVO anywhere in this statement.

Haha nah I"m straight, we got good games like AE, Tag2, and KOF13 in it already, and of course that MAHVEL so I'm not too worried about the 8 spot. I just always gotta chime in when people come in praising ST to high heavens as if it's a fact that it's a good game.

ST is the best SF game! There will finally be a great SF worth watching.

 

[FindMyFarms]

All I've said is that the "old game" factor is utter nonsense.

To be fair, any game played for a long period of time will have "new stuff" being discovered. But with regards to ST, it's not like super hot stuff is being discovered left and right. The game has been figured out for the most part.

 

[prodystopian]

The evo community? No, they're really not.

Haha nah I"m straight, we got good games like AE, Tag2, and KOF13 in it already, and of course that MAHVEL so I'm not too worried about the 8 spot. I just always gotta chime in when people come in praising ST to high heavens as if it's a fact that it's a good game.

edit - Yes in case there's any confusion, I am saying that Marvel 3 is a better game than ST

Better game, ST or 3S?

 

[FindMyFarms]

You do not mention EVO anywhere in this statement.

ST is the best SF game! There will finally be a great SF worth watching.

1st comment - You're right, I didn't, my fault. I was mainly talking about the American community, I should have specified.

2nd comment - it's been in evo before, also *puke*

Better game, ST or 3S?

Oh god....what are you trying to do to me...

Good pre-sf4 capcom games -

CvS2
MvC2
Alpha 3 before jump cancels
that's it.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Lets go SC5!!! I have no more money to donate, but lets go!!!!!!

 

[atomic moth]

But ST isnt good so who cares. It's worth noting that the game was never *popular*. it always got low turnouts relative to other games, even at earlier evo's and the B series

The callings from the prophets have once again allowed the ST hating messiah to emerge!

You know it's okay to talk about other fighting games besides the one you seemingly hate the most?

 

[Kai Dracon]

Where are people watching the donation totals in real time?

 

[Skilletor]

Better game, ST or 3S?

No. Don't do this.

Not like this.

 

[blurrygil]

 

[LegatoB]

All I've said is that the "old game" factor is utter nonsense.

I know there's going to be some controversy over not having HD Remix and fun games that everyone else had, I-- I mean, it's just time to let those games go, and move on.

 

[NotLiquid]

No, I read what you said pretty clearly I think. The first line is something I agree with, if he wanted to make the snipe count, then waiting for the last possible moment was the way to guarantee that it would.

My objection is still with calling the tactic "low". Even if we remove the context of the charity there is nothing inherently low about waiting for the last possible moment before revealing your hand. It's not low if the donation comes from 1 person versus 1000. There are no rules here beyond ensuring corporations do not get involved. The possibility was known (or should have been known) to everyone before donating that snipes in this type of contest were a very real threat. And ultimately the person or people who've donated to ST haven't created a disparity large enough to make any community outright give up hope either, so I'm failing to see the big deal.

Apologies for the hostility in the last post but I'm still failing to see the point of the original comment, is your problem that this individual / group have single handedly made ST a viable candidate?

Apologies about not really picking right words either, I suppose "low" might have been a bad choice of words on my part. I wouldn't say my problem is so much with someone making ST a viable candidate as much as it is that if there's not that much general support to a title being given, but then one or two people with enough money manage to have it overtake a lot of other sporting candidates, it might just be a possibility that there just generally isn't a lot of people gunning for something to make an appearance. Basically, will a generous commitment for something that didn't stand strong at first generate enough hype? I've said prior I'm a GG fan and would love to see a resurgence, but I'm dubious as to how many people would actually hype it up if someone gave it $50k and put it in the lead.

If anything I suppose ST is a rather unique case if applied to my line of reasoning though, as it's clearly a game a lot of people will play if it gets in because of it's long history. It was just easy to assume otherwise that people weren't excited for it because it didn't receive that much money.

It's just compounded when things like this are said, it's a shame that people decided to generously support a third party versus going with the top two contenders in the final day? What instance are you referring to that deserves a sense of shame?

Just to be clear, that line was in reference to people considering this entire drive a competition; not a charity.

 

[Haunted]

They can't have Third Strike at Evo because it would make the other games look bad in comparison.

You want to see hearts break in real time?

 

[Busaiku]

Where are people watching the donation totals in real time?

The OP has links to all the donation pages.

 

[Skilletor]

I know there's going to be some controversy over not having HD Remix and fun games that everyone else had, I-- I mean, it's just time to let those games go, and move on.

Why?

 

[FallingEdge]

1st comment - You're right, I didn't, my fault. I was mainly talking about the American community, I should have specified.

2nd comment - it's been in evo before, also *puke*

1 - No worries.
2 - It is a beautiful thing. I really believe ST should be at every EVO. Along with VF.

 

[oneida]

To be fair, any game played for a long period of time will have "new stuff" being discovered. But with regards to ST, it's not like super hot stuff is being discovered left and right. The game has been figured out for the most part.

Come on, just agree with me because you know I'm correct. Even if there was new billiards technology that only gets discovered once every 100 years, no one would walk into a bar and be like "BILLIARDS?! This game is old as shit, we play darts in this town." ST is only what, 8 years older than Melee? Whatever. "Old game" argument is stupid.

 

[FindMyFarms]

The callings from the prophets have once again allowed the ST hating messiah to emerge!

You know it's okay to talk about other fighting games besides the one you seemingly hate the most?

Hey that's not fair I hate ST and 3s equally, but I especially hate that it's the *cool* thing for people to like ST, and said people typically don't know why.

 

[Riposte]

Next year they should just do it like this: "Biggest side tournament gets on stream".

 

[Skilletor]

Hey that's not fair I hate ST and 3s equally, but I especially hate that it's the *cool* thing for people to like ST, and said people typically don't know why.

I like ST because it's fun.

Next question!

 

[atomic moth]

Hey that's not fair I hate ST and 3s equally, but I especially hate that it's the *cool* thing for people to like ST, and said people typically don't know why.

It's way more hipster to like 3S.

People like ST because they like it. I've read your list of complaints about it and your story about "almost" beating Damdai, but frankly you could substitute any game in there and complain about that. Marvel has issues. AE has issues. KOF has issues. Yet they're liked.

I just think you harp on it too much.

 

[LegatoB]

Why?

I dunno, dude, ask Mr. Wizard.

 

[Tizoc]

No. Don't do this.

Not like this.

The Answer is simple:

Spoiler

HF

 

[prodystopian]

Oh god....what are you trying to do to me...

Good pre-sf4 capcom games -

CvS2
MvC2
Alpha 3 before jump cancels
that's it.

No. Don't do this.

Not like this.

I was just trying to bait Farms into a rant because I know how he feels about 3S.

 

[FindMyFarms]

It's way more hipster to like 3S.

People like ST because they like it. I've read your list of complaints about it and your story about "almost" beating Damdai, but frankly you could substitute any game in there and complain about that. Marvel has issues. AE has issues. KOF has issues. Yet they're liked.

I just think you harp on it too much.

St gets a ridiculous amount of love from a vocal minority. If someone bashes SF4 or Marvel, or what have you, most people won't say a thing. It's almost as if newer players have gotten trained into admitting that their game is bad and old games are better, it's a very common mentality and one propagated and forced upon by people that have been in the scene longer, but aren't exactly any smarter or more knowledgeable.

I only harp on ST whenever people come in with their holier than thou attitude of THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE AND ANYONE THAT DISAGREES IS WRONG, and typically, that's what ST "fans" do. And also because it's a bad game.

 

[Haunted]

Next year they should just do it like this: "Biggest side tournament gets on stream".

And forego the positive PR of having raised $120k+ for cancer research?


Next year they'll have the big 2 as fixtures and the rest dukes it out via donations.

 

[FindMyFarms]

And forego the positive PR of having raised $120k+ for cancer research?


Next year they'll have the big 2 as fixtures and the rest dukes it out via donations.

Or have donations to compete over which game becomes the main event.

 

[atomic moth]

I only harp on ST whenever people come in with their holier than thou attitude of THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE AND ANYONE THAT DISAGREES IS WRONG, and typically, that's what ST "fans" do.

Substitute ST with KoF and that's how I feel. But I don't just chime in with negativity. Don't tell people what they can and can't like.

I think you are ultra-sensitive to talk about ST. It's not my place to ask why but I am asking that you don't be one of the few that gunk up the conversation without anything positive to add.

Until then, to me, you're just the guy that hates ST.

 

[Owensboro]

They can't have Third Strike at Evo because it would make the other games look bad in comparison.

Realtalk: The can't have it because it's booring to watch people choose the same characters over and over. Now, if they instituted some kind of Team Tournament with rules along the lines of the way MOBA's work (drafting rounds where you eliminate characters and pick others), that would be fun to watch. I can only take so much Chun-Li.

Disclaimer: I say this as someone who is awful at 3rd strike. I just want to see people use the fun characters .