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[AlucarD.eq]

Woao..

36834 ssbm
35500 st
29760 sg

:/ This is not going to end well for one of those communities

 

[commanderpepper]

Realtalk: The can't have it because it's booring to watch people choose the same characters over and over. Now, if they instituted some kind of Team Tournament with rules along the lines of the way MOBA's work (drafting rounds where you eliminate characters and pick others), that would be fun to watch. I can only take so much Chun-Li.

Disclaimer: I say this as someone who is awful at 3rd strike. I just want to see people use the fun characters .

No 3S would be hype if they would just ban Chun-Li from the tournament.

 

[Busaiku]

:/ This is not going to end well for one of those communities

Super Smash Bros Melee and Skullgirls communities will have blown all their funds to get their game into Evo, so they won't actually be able to make it out to Evo if their game does get in.

 

[FallingEdge]

Super Smash Bros Melee and Skullgirls communities will have blown all their funds to get their game into Evo, so they won't actually be able to make it out to Evo if their game does get in.

lolololololol

Regarding all this ST, 3S, AE, best SF game talk, in the end, it doesn't matter. I just like talking about these games with ST being my favorite. Seeing ST there will be great and fun to watch but even if it doesn't make it, no big deal.

 

[commanderpepper]

Super Smash Bros Melee and Skullgirls communities will have blown all their funds to get their game into Evo, so they won't actually be able to make it out to Evo if their game does get in.

Mr. Wizard's master plan?

 

[oneida]

I'm pretty surprised how little support 3S has gotten. Does the community still exist, or has it parted ways with EVO?

 

[Haunted]

Bold prediction: this is not going to end well for two of those communities.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Super Smash Bros Melee and Skullgirls communities will have blown all their funds to get their game into Evo, so they won't actually be able to make it out to Evo if their game does get in.

I wish people would quit spewing this bullshit idea. There's 5 months between now and EVO for the players to get money for the trip.

Bold prediction: this is not going to end well for two of those communities.

Capcpom fans still have SF4, MvC3, SFxT and possible SF2&3 side events to look forward to.

 

[alstein]

Or have donations to compete over which game becomes the main event.

I suspect it will be 2-3 games that get in via donation next year, then eventually all games.

It would be interesting if they used donations to see which games get in, with some of that going to pot bonus.

 

[schwupp]

I'm pretty surprised how little support 3S has gotten. Does the community still exist, or has it parted ways with EVO?

dead long time ago

 

[vg260]

When does this end? I thought it was on the 29th.

 

[scytheavatar]

I'm pretty surprised how little support 3S has gotten. Does the community still exist, or has it parted ways with EVO?

The OGs generally don't give a damn about all the streaming and main stage nonsense, anyone who still play 3S would know that there will be a 3S side tourney there and they can have fun in it without caring about the 09'er "hype". The CvS2, MvC2 and GG community probably all felt the same way too which is why you don't see much donations for them.

 

[aggro crag]

Bold prediction: this is not going to end well for two of those communities.

I think it'll hurt SG a lot. Not many tournaments are running SG as a main game. And I don't hear about side tournaments running anywhere, besides places where Mike Z shows up.

Melee will still go on strong. There's a strong online community and tournaments that happen for it. Who knows what their relationship to EVO will be like in case they aren't the 8th game, though.

 

[oneida]

I think it'll hurt SG a lot. Not many tournaments are running SG as a main game. And I don't hear about side tournaments running anywhere, besides places where Mike Z shows up.

Melee will still go on strong. There's a strong online community and tournaments that happen for it. Who knows what their relationship to EVO will be like in case they aren't the 8th game, though.

There are fewer SG players than MK players at my fight night and there's two MK players

 

[Judderman]

Good pre-sf4 capcom games -

CvS2
MvC2
Alpha 3 before jump cancels
that's it.

 

[BadWolf]

I'm pretty surprised how little support 3S has gotten. Does the community still exist, or has it parted ways with EVO?

Japan dominates in that game too much.

 

[SloaneRisette]

There are fewer SG players than MK players at my fight night and there's two MK players

So does one person just do netplay?

 

[enzo_gt]

When does this end? I thought it was on the 29th.

Got extended to midnight tonight.

So does one person just do netplay?

It's like the single guy who shows up to Next Level on Wednesdays to play TTT2 so he plays arcade mode.

 

[oneida]

So does one person just do netplay?

No one plays SG.

I'd like to see SG win, because it seems like a good game.

 

[SloaneRisette]

No one plays SG.

I'd like to see SG win, because it seems like a good game.

Knew I should've Kappa'd.

And at this point, I'd be happy to see any of the Top 3 games win, even though I'd only enter Smash or Skullgirls. As long as good players come out any of those games will be hype.

 

[Retro_]

No 3S would be hype if they would just ban Chun-Li from the tournament.

That's stupid though

She's in the game. Learn to deal with her or don't play

That'd be dumb as hell if we started banning shit because it's boring to watch.

 

[Haunted]

Japan dominates in that game too much.

It's not like an American has ever won SFIV at Evo. And Infiltration will win this year.


edit: for what it's worth, it's not in contention for this, it's Melee vs SG vs ST.

 

[vocab]

Japan dominates in that game too much.

Kind of, but EVO hates 3s. Chun and yun get old as shit. Mov at 25th was awesome, but we never get that kind of 3s at EVO.

 

[scytheavatar]

I think it'll hurt SG a lot. Not many tournaments are running SG as a main game. And I don't hear about side tournaments running anywhere, besides places where Mike Z shows up.

Hate to say this, but you can't hurt what that's already dead, and SG is more or less dead. As someone mentioned in SRK they tried to run a fundraiser tournament just recently and only 2 people showed up.

 

[oneida]

This is a question better suited to the general fighting game thread, but if a good game doesn't get the attention that everyone agrees it deserves, does that signal that there is an oversaturation of 2D fighters? Or does this just mean that digital distribution of new IPs is a rough environment for a niche genre like FGs?

 

[FindMyFarms]

Substitute ST with KoF and that's how I feel. But I don't just chime in with negativity. Don't tell people what they can and can't like.

I think you are ultra-sensitive to talk about ST. It's not my place to ask why but I am asking that you don't be one of the few that gunk up the conversation without anything positive to add.

Until then, to me, you're just the guy that hates ST.

Yeah, surprisingly it didn't' happen this time but typically ST love goes hand in hand with modern day bashing and I'M BETTER THAN YOU, so I have no problem hopping in every time. More often than not ST adoration also comes with blind praise and pretentiousness, which I don't feel merits a compelling conversation, but rather a counterpoint to try to bring them back down to earth. You can also substitute ST with 3s here. It's like the obnoxious sports fan that just comes in blubbering nonsense, why the hell would I bother having a rational discussion with them?

As for what I am to you, I am whatever you say I am, or something like that that eminem said.

This is a question better suited to the general fighting game thread, but if a good game doesn't get the attention that everyone agrees it deserves, does that signal that there is an oversaturation of 2D fighters? Or does this just mean that digital distribution of new IPs is a rough environment for a niche genre like FGs?

To be honest I think it's a good indicator for the times. It means that there's more good games that people can support than time alotted in a nationals tournament. Meaning, that if there's a game you like, there's a high chance you can probably find people to play it with, which wasn't always the case.

It's not like an American has ever won SFIV at Evo. And Infiltration will win this year.

True but overall america has been pretty even with japan the past 2 years.

 

[Skilletor]

This is a question better suited to the general fighting game thread, but if a good game doesn't get the attention that everyone agrees it deserves, does that signal that there is an oversaturation of 2D fighters? Or does this just mean that digital distribution of new IPs is a rough environment for a niche genre like FGs?

I think it's just that things don't catch on. Look at VF. Amazing game, doesn't get play in 'murrica for the most part.

Yeah, surprisingly it didn't' happen this time but typically ST love goes hand in hand with modern day bashing and I'M BETTER THAN YOU, so I have no problem hopping in every time. More often than not ST adoration also comes with blind praise and pretentiousness, which I don't feel merits a compelling conversation, but rather a counterpoint to try to bring them back down to earth. You can also substitute ST with 3s here. It's like the obnoxious sports fan that just comes in blubbering nonsense, why the hell would I bother having a rational discussion with them?

As for what I am to you, I am whatever you say I am, or something like that that eminem said.

That didn't happen and yet you're still harping on how shitty ST is, lol.

 

[Threi]

I just think you harp on it too much.

No way. If you think a game is ass then say it, fuck if people get upset. That just means they need to grow some thicker skin. The worst kinds of people are the ones who want to talk crap about other games but can't take it when people talk crap about the game they like.

And I personally love ST.

 

[oneida]

I think it's just that things don't catch on. Look at VF. Amazing game, doesn't get play in 'murrica for the most part.

But there are a number of things that keep VF from being as popular here as it is in Japan (which still isn't nearly as popular as SF). (falsely!) Perceived difficulty, characters that are not innately likable, no big stupid fireballs and hit effects. Skullgirls plays in a familiar manner to games that are already popular and almost everyone agrees that it's solid. So what happened?

 

[SloaneRisette]

But there are a number of things that keep VF from being as popular as it is in Japan (which still isn't nearly as popular as SF) in the States, though. Perceived (falsely!) difficulty, characters that are not innately likable, no big stupid fireballs and hit effects. Skullgirls plays in a familiar manner to games that are already popular and almost everyone agrees that it's solid. So what happened?

The way I saw it was that it came out in the middle of a bunch of majors last year and it wasn't going to be getting into Evo, so everyone just wanted to focus their efforts on their main game(s).

 

[jett]

Good pre-sf4 capcom games -

CvS2
MvC2
Alpha 3 before jump cancels
that's it.

 

[scytheavatar]

This is a question better suited to the general fighting game thread, but if a good game doesn't get the attention that everyone agrees it deserves, does that signal that there is an oversaturation of 2D fighters? Or does this just mean that digital distribution of new IPs is a rough environment for a niche genre like FGs?

Skullgirls got a ton of attention when it was released, it's pretty ridiculous to say that it didn't get the attention that "everyone" agrees it deserves. But it's hard to maintain interest for a game with 8 characters, especially when you have all the hiding behind gigantic assist crap pre-patch and the wait for the patch killed everyone's interest in the game. Fighting games just don't suit the scale that the Skullgirls team targeted, and lots of promises like those 8 free DLC characters was always going to be broken when it's a struggle to get the game out in the first place.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I like ST because people tell me its a good game.

I'm a sheep.

 

[FindMyFarms]

I think it's just that things don't catch on. Look at VF. Amazing game in my opinion, doesn't get play in 'murrica for the most part.

That didn't happen and yet you're still harping on how shitty ST is, lol.

Fixed

Well hey, it's been happening for years, I got some catching up to do.

I like ST because people tell me its a good game.

I'm a sheep.

At least you can admit it...90% of people that like it are in that boat. The other true ST lovers are people that enjoy the game because it's fun and fast, but will admit it's not a well designed game. Anyways Im done talkin bout ST!

 

[oneida]

Skullgirls got a ton of attention when it was released, it's pretty ridiculous to say that it didn't get the attention that "everyone" agrees it deserves. But it's hard to maintain interest for a game with 8 characters, especially when you have all the hiding behind gigantic assist crap pre-patch and the wait for the patch killed everyone's interest in the game. Fighting games just don't suit the scale that the Skullgirls team targeted, and lots of promises like those 8 free DLC characters was always going to be broken when it's a struggle to get the game out in the first place.

Retention is probably a better word than attention, I guess.

 

[Skilletor]

But there are a number of things that keep VF from being as popular here as it is in Japan (which still isn't nearly as popular as SF). (falsely!) Perceived difficulty, characters that are not innately likable, no big stupid fireballs and hit effects. Skullgirls plays in a familiar manner to games that are already popular and almost everyone agrees that it's solid. So what happened?

Why play something similar to what I like with a fraction of the characters, I suppose.

THat's why I didn't play it. Team format with 8 characters, none of which I particularly like, made me quit playing.

Fixed

Well hey, it's been happening for years, I got some catching up to do.

I hardly think it's necessary to type IMO after every single one of my posts.

 

[enzo_gt]

All the internetz FGC has taught me is that there is absolutely no correlation between what makes a game "good," "fair" or "honest" and what makes one fun.

 

[oneida]

Why play something similar to what I like with a fraction of the characters, I suppose.

THat's why I didn't play it. Team format with 8 characters, none of which I particularly like, made me quit playing.



I hardly think it's necessary to type IMO after every single one of my posts.

Yeah, I think the style turned me off from it as well. I don't really care about the small roster - I tend to only pick 1 character in FGs and enjoy mirrors - but the whole art deco looney toons thing did nothing for me.

 

[scytheavatar]

But there are a number of things that keep VF from being as popular here as it is in Japan (which still isn't nearly as popular as SF). (falsely!) Perceived difficulty, characters that are not innately likable, no big stupid fireballs and hit effects. Skullgirls plays in a familiar manner to games that are already popular and almost everyone agrees that it's solid. So what happened?

Who are the "everyone" who thinks that the game is solid? The patch notes for each character in the Skullgirls patch was longer than that of SFxT 2013...........

 

[FindMyFarms]

All the internetz FGC has taught me is that there is absolutely no correlation between what makes a game "good," "fair" or "honest" and what makes one fun.

This is a pro marvel argument in disguise....I know your tricks!

I hardly think it's necessary to type IMO after every single one of my posts.

Nah but VF is the last game in the pretentious trifecta, and is a recipient of the same "they told me to like it so I do" treatment that ST and 3s get, so I just had to make sure that an unknowing person you're replying to understands that it isn't a de facto good game, and that that's an opinion.

 

[kirblar]

This is a pro marvel argument in disguise....I know your tricks!

Nah, it's deeper than that. Take Ultras/X-Factor and comeback mechanics in general - even though competitive players loathe them, players as a whole actually really like them. It goes towards the "I don't want to get 10-0'd every set" thing that drives players away from games.

 

[enzo_gt]

This is a pro marvel argument in disguise....I know your tricks!

You know my minion-ness too well!

In my defense, I like ST and I couldn't care less whether it has random damage or not.

I like a lot of games with bullshit in them, maybe I've just adapted to filtering that shit out and enjoying what is underneath.

 

[oneida]

Nah but VF is the last game in the pretentious trifecta, and is a recipient of the same "they told me to like it so I do" treatment that ST and 3s get, so I just had to make sure that an unknowing person you're replying to understands that it isn't a de facto good game.

Ah please, VF's emphasis on good reads over match-ups and "rule exceptions" doesn't take a Top 8er to appreciate. Nor is being a VF fan a particularly luxurious thing... Barely anyone around here plays it.

 

[FallingEdge]

Nah but VF is the last game in the pretentious trifecta, and is a recipient of the same "they told me to like it so I do" treatment that ST and 3s get, so I just had to make sure that an unknowing person you're replying to understands that it isn't a de facto good game, and that that's an opinion.

Garou would like to say hello.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Ah please, VF's emphasis on good reads over match-ups and "rule exceptions" doesn't take a Top 8er to appreciate. Nor is being a VF fan a particularly luxurious thing... Barely anyone around here plays it.

That's almost ALL it emphasizes, "good reads." It's pretty much a better designed Tekken 4 without slops or random walls. There's almost no spacing or footsie game, which is a huge compromise in depth, especially in a 3d game, and almost all of the action is just two people in each others faces making guess after guess.

I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's ok. But it's not amazing in my eyes.

The pretentiousness comes from the fact that literally EVERY vf "player/fan" I've ever met will state that their game is better than yours, as a fact. And that's super common amongst the VF community.

Garou would like to say hello.

I'll be honest, I haven't seen too many outspoken garou fans. For what it's worth I really love garou, but most of that comes from a presentation standpoint. I really like the way the stages look, the music, the characters, and how everything animates. The characters just feel amazing as well, with regards to movement and weight. The combos are also really fun to do, as well as just performing offensive pressure in general due to the AC cancels. It's a really fun casual game and I love it to death, but at top level play the meta is pretty one dimensional. I really wish they'd hurry up and make a sequel

edit - i guess the right term is *finish* the sequel lol

 

[Skilletor]

Nah but VF is the last game in the pretentious trifecta, and is a recipient of the same "they told me to like it so I do" treatment that ST and 3s get, so I just had to make sure that an unknowing person you're replying to understands that it isn't a de facto good game, and that that's an opinion.

There are no de facto good games. Everything is opinion.

It really seems like you're arguing just to argue at this point.

 

[Hitokage]

Nah but VF is the last game in the pretentious trifecta, and is a recipient of the same "they told me to like it so I do" treatment that ST and 3s get, so I just had to make sure that an unknowing person you're replying to understands that it isn't a de facto good game, and that that's an opinion.

Stop being a senile old man who rages at everything. People who don't play VF don't even talk about it, and everyone knows nobody plays VF to begin with, so you're just yelling at clouds here.

 

[Codeblue]

All the internetz FGC has taught me is that there is absolutely no correlation between what makes a game "good," "fair" or "honest" and what makes one fun.

What it taught me is that people are more interested in seeing salt than the actual games.

 

[Threi]

There are no de facto good games. Everything is opinion.

Ding ding ding

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Come on, just agree with me because you know I'm correct. Even if there was new billiards technology that only gets discovered once every 100 years, no one would walk into a bar and be like "BILLIARDS?! This game is old as shit, we play darts in this town." ST is only what, 8 years older than Melee? Whatever. "Old game" argument is stupid.

Didn't you hear? 18 years is the cutoff for a game being too ancient. 16 is barely OK.