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FindMyFarms said:
I'll be honest, I haven't seen too many outspoken garou fans. For what it's worth I really love garou, but most of that comes from a presentation standpoint. I really like the way the stages look, the music, the characters, and how everything animates. The characters just feel amazing as well, with regards to movement and weight. The combos are also really fun to do, as well as just performing offensive pressure in general due to the AC cancels. It's a really fun casual game and I love it to death, but at top level play the meta is pretty one dimensional. I really wish they'd hurry up and make a sequel :(

edit - i guess the right term is *finish* the sequel lol
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I myself have seen more love for Garou than ST or VF. Personally, I think RB2 is the best fighting game SNK has put out during that era.
 
FindMyFarms said:
That's almost ALL it emphasizes, "good reads." It's pretty much a better designed Tekken 4 without slops or random walls. There's almost no spacing or footsie game, which is a huge compromise in depth, especially in a 3d game, and almost all of the action is just two people in each others faces making guess after guess.

I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's ok. But it's not amazing in my eyes.
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I don't agree that it's almost all it emphasizes, but it's one of the things I like about the game. Paying attention to your surroundings can lead to instant round wins, knowing when you can go for a wallsplat can give you > 60% dmg combos... you don't have to think it's amazing. Many people don't. It's definitely not a game anyone plays because it's "cool" - no one gives a shit about VF.
 
Hitokage said:
Stop being a senile old man who rages at everything. People who don't play VF don't even talk about it, and everyone knows nobody plays VF to begin with, so you're just yelling at clouds here.
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Ok i know ive been pretty loud the last couple pages, maybe a little too loud. But the opinions that i'm being contentious with are the ones held be the older senile folks, the disgruntled FG dudes of the past. Literally the only thing i ever rage about in FG threads is old game pretentiousness, and ST/3s/VF are the trifecta of that. Yes VF doesn't have much of a player base, but almost all people you run into that play it will talk about how it's the best game ever. And there are a few of those in my scene.
 
FindMyFarms said:
Yes VF doesn't have much of a player base, but almost all people you run into that play it will talk about how it's the best game ever. And there are a few of those in my scene.
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Your argument isn't served as well when you make claims like there being no spacing in VF, unless you're just getting people riled up.
 
vocab said:
Kind of, but EVO hates 3s. Chun and yun get old as shit. Mov at 25th was awesome, but we never get that kind of 3s at EVO.
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Yeah, I love 3s, but I don't think that it's a very interesting game to stream due to the meta-game and tiers. Now if we were talking about taking the 38 best 3s players in attendance, split them into two teams, allow each team only one of each character in the roster and then have a big team battle. Now that would be something that I could get behind streaming 3s for.

Makes me happy to see these donations pile in for breast cancer research. That's the real winner here, whoever ends up in first place. And honestly, if you were someone who donated a ton of money to breast cancer research every year, then now would actually be a super smart time to make a donation to one of the games currently not in the the top two. Normally if you just donated 10,000 a year you just donate 10,000. But if you went right now and donated 10,000 to SkullGirls then not only would you have donated 10,000, but you would have also caused more donations from the ST and Melee communities to try to catch up and pass you. If you were smart with your donations and kept moving new games just slightly into first place (wouldn't want the other communities to give up) you could end up donating more like 20,000 from your 10,000 investment from all the other folks looking to match your bid. Who cares if you even like fighting games? It's by far the better bang for the buck as opposed to just donating raw.
 
FindMyFarms said:
Ok i know ive been pretty loud the last couple pages, maybe a little too loud. But the opinions that i'm being contentious with are the ones held be the older senile folks, the disgruntled FG dudes of the past. Literally the only thing i ever rage about in FG threads is old game pretentiousness, and ST/3s/VF are the trifecta of that. Yes VF doesn't have much of a player base, but almost all people you run into that play it will talk about how it's the best game ever. And there are a few of those in my scene.
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It's my favorite fighter - does that make me pretentious? I haven't shrugged off anything on the grounds that it's "not as good as VF". Is it impossible to genuinely enjoy a game?
 
oneida said:
I'm pretty surprised how little support 3S has gotten. Does the community still exist, or has it parted ways with EVO?
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Street Fighter III has never been popular in the U.S. It was the defaultish tournament Street Fighter game for a chunk of time only because it was the last release in the series before Capcom went dark.
 
oneida said:
It's my favorite fighter - does that make me pretentious? I haven't shrugged off anything on the grounds that it's "not as good as VF". Is it impossible to genuinely enjoy a game?
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He's talking about the people who foam at the mouth calling people 09'ers while slamming all aspects about newer games.
 
oneida said:
It's my favorite fighter - does that make me pretentious? I haven't shrugged off anything on the grounds that it's "not as good as VF". Is it impossible to genuinely enjoy a game?
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half health combos and rounds that rarely exceed 10 seconds put me to sleep zzzzzz! When's smash
 
oneida said:
It's my favorite fighter - does that make me pretentious? I haven't shrugged off anything on the grounds that it's "not as good as VF". Is it impossible to genuinely enjoy a game?
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No, of course not. but you obviously haven't seen other vf players/fans at large interact with other FG members.
 
Nils said:
He's talking about the people who foam at the mouth calling people 09'ers while slamming all aspects about newer games.
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I've never seen anybody even use that phrase on Gaf. lol

FindMyFarms said:
No, of course not. but you obviously haven't seen other vf players/fans at large interact with other FG members.
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Therein is the problem. Just like when people talk about the "GAF hivemind." I don't really care about other VF players/fans or other people in the FGC. I'm me, posting my opinions. Address those. Don't lump people in with some generic group just because of your own hangups.
 
Skilletor said:
Therein is the problem. Just like when people talk about the "GAF hivemind." I don't really care about other VF players/fans or other people in the FGC. I'm me, posting my opinions. Address those. Don't lump people in with some generic group just because of your own hangups.
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I'm sorry :(

Skilletor said:
I think it's just that things don't catch on. Look at VF. Amazing game, doesn't get play in 'murrica for the most part.
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To be fair this is probably where I misinterpreted your post. I just don't see why a game deserves to be played in america just because you like it, which is why I thought you were stating that VF is a "de facto" good game. My fault for that.
 
Maybe FindMyFarms has internalized all the hatred and disdain directed at Street Fighter 4 and is now lashing out at everyone.

As for Threi... well.. stockholm syndrome.
 
oneida said:
But there are a number of things that keep VF from being as popular here as it is in Japan (which still isn't nearly as popular as SF). (falsely!) Perceived difficulty, characters that are not innately likable, no big stupid fireballs and hit effects. Skullgirls plays in a familiar manner to games that are already popular and almost everyone agrees that it's solid. So what happened?
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Not everyone agrees it's solid.

Here's what I think happened: the game had such long combos, it took ages to learn them, and folks just didn't need to put in the effort given all the other fighters, and Skullgirls never got the critical mass becase of it. If Skullgirls had shorter combos (maybe a Sirlin design instead of a Mike Z design) it would have more numbers today.


The only time I get salty about VF hate is when folks call it hard, because that's just completely untrue in a genre filled with 1f links and half-minute combos. VF really harmed my ability to bother learning other fighters, I just get fed up too easily, and my other games have suffered. The only game outside of VF that I put effort into learning this gen was KOFXIII, and even then that died out when FS came out and I haven't touched the game since.

And yeah, 3S is the 2nd most overrated fighter of all time in my eyes. (if I stated my first people here would go apeshit)
 
Hitokage said:
Maybe FindMyFarms has internalized all the hatred and disdain directed at Street Fighter 4 and is now lashing out at everyone.

As for Threi... well.. stockholm syndrome.
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NO! just ST/3s/VF pretentiousness, which is an attitude that I might have unrightfully associated with the posters in this thread. But you cannot deny that it exists well and large.
 
alstein said:
Here's what I think happened: the game had such long combos, it took ages to learn them, and folks just didn't need to put in the effort given all the other fighters, and Skullgirls never got the critical mass becase of it. If Skullgirls had shorter combos (maybe a Sirlin design instead of a Mike Z design) it would have more numbers today.
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I winced.
FindMyFarms said:
NO! just ST/3s/VF pretentiousness, which is an attitude that I might have unrightfully associated with the posters in this thread. But you cannot deny that it exists well and large.
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Nah, I know what you're talking about. The kind that won't even give other games a chance and use "it's not like in third strike" as standalone criticism.
 
FallingEdge said:
I myself have seen more love for Garou than ST or VF. Personally, I think RB2 is the best fighting game SNK has put out during that era.
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RB2 would have been SNK's best game if they had finished it/QCed it properly. Sokaku infinite and some of the feint cancel shenanigans hurt it. (and I played the crap out of the game online) RB1 and FFSP are the best ones to me, RB2 is good despite the flaws, Garou is overrated.

MK9 didn't fail, its kept a community- and deserves its spot.
TTT2 failed because that's a game that is legit too hard, and is just more of the same.
Persona failed because of balance issues and kinda simplistic.

As for VF5, I think VF crew feel Sega Cup is more important to VF long-term than Evo, and they're probably right. If I can go to Sega Cup, I'll pass over Evo to go to Sega Cup.
 
FindMyFarms said:
NO! just ST/3s/VF pretentiousness, which is an attitude that I might have unrightfully associated with the posters in this thread. But you cannot deny that it exists well and large.
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It may exist, but as a big fan of all those games the players I have met over the years are people that genuinely love the games and are driven to play them out of love for the competition and the game mechanics. Sure there is a holier than thou attitude with some of them, but that attitude can exist in any hobby with anybody.
 
Exr said:
It may exist, but as a big fan of all those games the players I have met over the years are people that genuinely love the games and are driven to play them out of love for the competition and the game mechanics. Sure there is a holier than thou attitude with some of them, but that attitude can exist in any hobby with anybody.
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Trust me, it exists with those players, especially VF players more than another other base.
 
FallingEdge said:
lol I disagree 100%
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VF players do tend to stick with VF. It's often hard for VF players to be bothered to really get into other games, I've had that problem bigtime once FS came out, I dropped KOFXIII hard and didn't come back, and haven't really been bothered to learn anything else since FS came out.
 
I've seen guys on VFDC shit on P4A but I don't know that I've seen that any more frequently than I've seen VSav players trashing Marvel or Tekken players trashing SF or everyone trashing DoA... Could be confirmation bias, I don't know.
 
alstein said:
VF players do tend to stick with VF. It's often hard for VF players to be bothered to really get into other games, I've had that problem bigtime once FS came out, I dropped KOFXIII hard and didn't come back, and haven't really been bothered to learn anything else since FS came out.
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Oh no, I'm not saying that at all as yes, I get the idea that VF players stick with just playing VF as I am one of them. But every VF player I have met IRL and on VFDC has been more about expanding the community and not about trying to bash other games.
 
oneida said:
I've seen guys on VFDC shit on P4A but I don't know that I've seen that any more frequently than I've seen VSav players trashing Marvel or Tekken players trashing SF or everyone trashing DoA... Could be confirmation bias, I don't know.
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What's funny is the guy I consider the best US VF player is a big Persona player as well.

Besides, just about everyone shits on Persona. (and I say that liking the game on a fundamental level, though it does need an expansion/rebalance)
 
alstein said:
What's funny is the guy I consider the best US VF player is a big Persona player as well.

Besides, just about everyone shits on Persona. (and I say that liking the game on a fundamental level, though it does need an expansion/rebalance)
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It's actually the only other game I'm trying to learn right now.
 
I hope EVO does this again. I've never in my life seen so much hype and drama occur around a charity fund raiser.

Maybe next time, game communities can organize better and run more streamed fundraisers. Maybe EVO could support this by supplying media and artwork for streamers to use.

I think next year could have ore competitiveness with other games getting into the mix. It's clear that games need to be campaigned. Hopefully it encourages Ricky to stream CvS2 fundraisers. Or Justin to stream MvC2 fundraisers.
 
Codeblue said:
What it taught me is that people are more interested in seeing salt than the actual games.
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Do people watch tennis because it's a solid game or because of Maria Sharapova's ass? Were the KOF EVO GFs last year so amazing because KOFXIII is The Most Honest Fighting Game Today or because the narrative between Bala and CafeID was so compelling?
 
ST is old. Gimme some Vampire Savior instead. You kids don't know about that old Anime Grandpa.
Riposte said:
Next year they should just do it like this: "Biggest side tournament gets on stream".
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The donations aren't so bad an idea. It just sucks that we have only one slot. The last example of a slot being open like this is Melty iirc. EVO expanded to eight games and you'd think that it would go from something like 5 main games to 6 and two players' choices. Two would have made it less of a world ending scenario, I think.
 
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