Proelite
Member
You WILL wish that everything including Orbis and PC had them.
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You WILL wish that everything including Orbis and PC had them.
I'd say that's their own damn fault for snubbing the core gamers who made the 360 what it is as soon as Kinect showed the first glimmer of viability.
MS didn't need to abandon new AAA game development, they chose to. Just like how Sony has needed to prove that their new hardware wouldn't be an obtuse piece of shit to program for.
Sony so far looks to be holding up their end of the bargain with all leaks pointing to a much more developer friendly design and API implementation, following the Vita which itself was much more developer friendly with far better day one API implementation than the PS3 (which also made huge strides on that front).
MS meanwhile hasn't shown a whole lot and didn't exactly inspire confidence with a few late gen new IPs on the 360. Now maybe they'll blow our doors off at E3 and dispel a lot of the negativity regarding their first party efforts, but that has to happen before we act like it's going to happen. They also need to prove some level of commitment to quality IPs that don't immediately set the sales charts on fire. Not every first party IP will be a Halo, you've got to live with that and actually do the leg work to build IPs. Show a real willingness to do that.
Honestly, I'd say MS missed the boat by not buying THQ whole-freight. The PC specific groups like Relic could have been left alone to make them profit while the console focused teams would give them an immediate infusion of proven talent and quality IPs. If they could have kept the Warhammer 40K license MS' marketing team could have made that franchise into another Gears or Halo. It was a perfect one pop solution to reverse that negative image overnight.
Instead I can't even think of many worthwhile franchises they could try to resussitate as "proof" of renewed core gamer commitment. I believe they've let Weisman take the Mech Warrior and Shadowrun IPs when he left, for example.
As mentioned, closest I can think of is this - but maybe I am wrong cause the video singnal is split up?
Is the projector behind the tv? It looks like its done like Philips does ambilight.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I don't see how they're going to leak some of this stuff without knowing some of the software/OS that it will be used with.
What did it say?
What did it say?
Karak
Member
Ceiling mount.
But the picture is also behind the rack on the left. Mh
No idea, in this shot it looks like the wall is projeted from behind, other shots are from front. Could be trickery/concept - videos are here: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/illumiroom/
yeah, I was only talking about the vocal minority. The masses don't care as the numbers show. I agree with everything else you posted.
Karak
Member
This part. Totally agree. But thats because I don't like the gladiatorial games tearing apart of THQ.
I got ya.
One thing that is so crazy to me is that, when we install home theaters and stuff its ALWAYS connected to either PC or 360. Now I am in America but I don't see any of these people stating anything about losing the hardcore and we do this with everyone from frat boys at collage homes to older couples. It just doesn't seem mirrored with the WORLD like it is mirrored in some places.
My personal thought is the fact that rarely do these people KNOW who made the game. 1st or 3rd party or even the rare 2nd party style creators. Only a small group care who made it...if its on the system its on the system. That extra knowledge pisses people off
Those who just play games to play games, even hardcore ones, don't bat an eye.
Saberus
Member
I'm a Sony fan but even quotes like this make me shake my head.
could this be the projected image that's on the outside of your TV?
I know, that was a DME (in a dma controller)
Megaton?
Proelite
Member
Hell no. Sega is a much better destination than MS.
Karak
Member
Well it was a cieling mount in the live demo. But you are right.
Tripp Daily
Member
I believe it said something to the extent of the display panes not having anything to do with the illumiroom tech. not 100% though
Mark of the Ninja, Deadlight, Minecraft, Joyride Turbo, Dust: An Elysian Tail, Trials Evolution, The Splatters and alan Wake's american Nightmare are games published by Microsoft last year. Sounds like quite a few games not named Fable/Forza/Halo. You sony fans sure love to convienently forget about XBLA. The Xbox 360 has plenty of "options" including retail, xbla and indie.
Karak
Member
I wasn't arguing between various companies. I was arguing that MS could have grabbed them and I would have liked them too.
If we are arguing about specific companies..than I would love to have had MY OWN company buy them
Though that would be a bit weird and in no way would they ever make a game again hahahahahaIt honestly does. If someone like me has a backlog...that means something
Yup, XBLA doesn't count, but it sure is great that Journey is winning so many GoTY (including GAF's)!
Journey deserves the wins, it's Sony-GAF's ignorance that is rubbish
Karak
Member
Agreed.
Its just stupid but their desire to use the Apple 2 GS as a platform MUST make sense somewhere.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Will it make my games look better? No? Then I don't really care about it.
Nice
Well they cannot acknowledge those titles because their "xbox has no games" argument goes right out the door.
Elginer
Member
agreed. There's plenty of play but for some people unless it's retail and a big AAA title it's shit. Sad but also true. Really, I wonder where the hell people get all this magical time to play so many games that they want EVEN more games. Yet, they complain when there is too much. There's just no winning.
oldergamer
Member
Again, when you don't officially know the make up of the hardware you don't know how much an impact that would make. Wait until you can clearly know the components in the machine before writting it off.
THis is the same BS that happened last gen and everybody that wrote "xbox 1.5" or "PS3 is sooo much more powerful" clearly wasn't correct.
I'm lost, did we know something more about the hardware than we did a few days ago?
Exactly. My backlog on the 360 is huge, and that's not even counting all the games on the PS3 and PC I have yet to finish.
They forget about XBLA because the roles of first party output are reversed there.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I am talking about new stuff that they add to the Xbox 3 compared to the old consoles. I am very happy with current audio output. I already have uncompressed 7.1. surround sound on my PS3, I don't need anything better. But why are they adding stuff like these display panes? I am primarily interested in gaming, I don't need such a feature.
Those display planes add nothing to efficency, they are just a flashy new UI thing.
Kun Aguero
Member
So what do they actually do then?
XBLA/PSN is a grey area where some gamers deny that AAA and 1080p games exist.
Why does everyone assume that the only xbox that is going to be released will be th 4-500 dollar one? If MS is gunning for the casuals, they won't be doing it with a a $4-500 gamebox.
I'd be very surprised if there isn't a stripped down casual box for $199-$249. It, most likely, will have all the 'cool' stuff like voice commands and kinnect2, but lack any grunt. Moreover, it could play all of the win8 app stuff as well as all of the xbox360 content + cut down 720 games. It would be very appealing to everyone except the core.
phosphor112
Banned
No, it's a projector on the screen, otherwise they couldn't project onto objects around the TV.
Anyway, the weird FOV makes that... not useless... but... dumb? You see a considerable part of the games ceiling on the wall behind your TV... just... odd.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I think they should remove controller support. That casual bullshit causes players to move around and that degrades performance.
"Core" gamers prefer two hours of Journey. Sorry. =p
Oh.. I've played The Witcher 2 last year too. Thanks to Xbox 1.5.
Tripp Daily
Member
Gemüsepizza;47141784 said:
You don't even know what they do. How can you take the opinion that you do need this feature?
I didn't know I needed a smartphone for business till I bought my android, and now I couldn't live without it (sadly).
Tyrone_Biggums
Banned
Basically ... /s
Gemüsepizza
Member
It's probably an overlay function for the UI. I don't think I need this. And I know what smartphones can do, that's why I bought one.
Funny that you only can bring up silly comparisons instead of valid arguments.
Seeings how Sony was turning out a ton of middling content, that seems unlikely. Even considering the significant rate of development inflation we've seen this generation.
Also, I didn't say they don't count, but they're a small segment of the industry, one that Sony is serving just like MS is. Where are the AAA retail games from MS? Are you saying that a bunch of XBLA games completely makes up for the lack of even trying to establish any new front line IPs in over three years?
XBLA games are great, but it's the same as MS turning out tons of FPS and racing games and nothing else. You aren't servicing a broad spectrum of the audience, and XBLA games aren't even analogous projects to front line AAA titles which games in a small subset of genres could at least be argued to be.
MS is asking their fans to live off of snacks, very delicious snacks mind you but snacks all the same, for three years with a few favorite entrees mixed in and the promise of them some day showing you some new entrees to try out. Meanwhile Sony's bringing the snacks and old favorites right along side a plethora of new entrees to try out with consistency. Who's the more complacent party here?
Primal, Siren and it's sequel, Mark of Kri and it's sequel, the previously mentioned Rouge Galaxy, two additional entries in the Sly series, The Getaway, Genji: Dawn of the Samurai, and the previously mentioned Shadow of the Colossus just to name a few.
This was back when Sony's first party was hit and miss, which further highlights the difference between their focus and MS' focus at this moment. Sony will release a questionable game and often give the developer a second bite at the apple if the concept or personnel are worth it. It isn't a boom/bust situation with every new release, just waiting to axe the IP and the studio at the first sign of missing mass market appeal.
It isn't a problem with their support for Kinect, it's that their support for Kinect cannibalized their core gamer support. That's been my point all along, hence why I pointed out how Sony effectively supported both EyeToy and core gamer IPs in parallel on the PS2. Neither got short changed and no core gamer IP had Kinect foisted upon it (such as Fable: The Journey).
And again we're back to you missing my main point. I don't care about the business sense behind it, I care about the games I get to play. MS isn't paying me dividends out of their annual profits, so I have no real interest in the financial aspects of their studio closures, I just care about their core game output, which is shoddy at best.
Sony has closed down studios this generation, but they've opened just about as many and have continued to push out core gamer titles at a good clip. MS shuttered damn near everything that was a core gamer studio, while having two of the three remaining core studios (Rare and Lionhead) make Kinect games.
They can start up all the new studios they want. I don't know what those studios are making or if there is a track record worth caring about with them. They're blank slates with a lot to prove, and most studios take a while to really find their stride. Sony has made and maintained those investments. MS bailed out on the option to make similar investments earlier in this generation and lived off of 3rd party preference far too much. There is no guarantee that will continue and without it MS has very little to bank on from a software standpoint.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Gemüsepizza;47141932 said:
Dude, we don't even know what it is. What is there to argue about?
eso76
Member
It does, I have no idea what it means though.
BTW, are we sure HDMI in isn't for kinect's camera itself ?
Felix Lighter
Member
I wasn't around here during last generation's transition. Things are really heating up.
Tripp Daily
Member
I think the interesting things with the illumiroom tech are the subtle things that it could provide and not so much the 'make my screen bigger'.
Examples:
- during the driving game demo when the car would go under a street lamp the illumiroom would project this light into your room as if you were actually driving.
- imagine that since kinect is reading your room that it can project bullet holes and dust onto the walls around you or an enemy throws a grenade and you see it projected onto the floor in front of you actually rolling around at your feet.
- imagine a survival horror game where something shines a light through a window and that light is projected in a realistic way around your room. (maybe you even have to dodge it since kinect can read your body as well)
These are the things that excite me about kinect. Is the tech there yet? probably not, but it will never get there if someone (Microsoft) pulls support for the whole system.
phosphor112
Banned
The example they used for Halo, the snow and stuff was cooler, but just "extending" the TV is really stupid. IMO.
Also, squeak about those display planes.
Me neither. But all that discussion and hunting for information is more fun than playing games...
