you guys think 8 cores will be enough for the next 6-7 years ?
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Don't think that games use that much more in the near future.
Most games still mostly scale with the speed of the first two cores. Than there are games that scale good with up to 6 cores and over that there is not that much scaling. Most of the time CPUs with more cores also allow more frequency and power.
Also (except new Intel CPUs) CPUs have HT/MT/... ) whatever this is called for the CPU), so effectively there are already more cores available but most games just don't scale that well with more.
Most of the cores do graphics pipeline work (decompress assets, compiling shaders, ...) while the main games threads are not that easily to split.
Yes, you can increase the AI per character, but than you get into other limitations.
The more cores are involved, the more you must synchronize the work. And in real time applications like games, this gets a bigger problem the more things run in parallel. That's also why you often can identify one main thread that limits all others.
Most games still mostly scale with the speed of the first two cores. Than there are games that scale good with up to 6 cores and over that there is not that much scaling. Most of the time CPUs with more cores also allow more frequency and power.
Also (except new Intel CPUs) CPUs have HT/MT/... ) whatever this is called for the CPU), so effectively there are already more cores available but most games just don't scale that well with more.
Most of the cores do graphics pipeline work (decompress assets, compiling shaders, ...) while the main games threads are not that easily to split.
Yes, you can increase the AI per character, but than you get into other limitations.
The more cores are involved, the more you must synchronize the work. And in real time applications like games, this gets a bigger problem the more things run in parallel. That's also why you often can identify one main thread that limits all others.
PeteBull
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Im new 9800x3d owner myself, and it has so much performance, ofc depends what u targetting, if by any chance u wanna go 120 or even 240fps stable, then by all means go 9950x3d, personally im fine with stable 60 so dont forsee any difficulties at least till end of next gen so 2036?
Schmendrick
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It´s 2025 and we are just now seeing proper multithreading in new engines...sometimes.
18C16T will be fine for another gen.
18C16T will be fine for another gen.
hinch7
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Yeah, PS5 will be the baseline for several years yet. Despite the next generation consoles coming in a few years. And even then I doubt next gen will go more than 8 core 16 threads.
You should care more for IPC and overall performance in gaming than core though tbh. Some games don't even utilize more than a few. Going with an 8-core with 3D V-Cache is the way for games with one CCD. Going with more might even give you less performance as you're juggling with 2 CCD's that can and will have an negative impact when gaming. Maybe not that noticable in averages but your 1% lows and 0.1% which is noticable.
You should care more for IPC and overall performance in gaming than core though tbh. Some games don't even utilize more than a few. Going with an 8-core with 3D V-Cache is the way for games with one CCD. Going with more might even give you less performance as you're juggling with 2 CCD's that can and will have an negative impact when gaming. Maybe not that noticable in averages but your 1% lows and 0.1% which is noticable.
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KuraiShidosha
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I'm praying to god that those 12 cores are all equally sized and capable cores and AMD doesn't go down the retarded eco core route like Intel. What a stupid concept for a desktop processor.This leak from MLiD states Zen6 CCDs will now has 12 cores, so 8 cores may not be enough in the future. Especially if next-gen consoles also have 12 cores.
samoilaaa
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am6 is supposed to be 2027 ?This leak from MLiD states Zen6 CCDs will now has 12 cores, so 8 cores may not be enough in the future. Especially if next-gen consoles also have 12 cores.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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The 9800X3D will last 4+ years easily.
Xdrive05
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A million percent. 8 cores will be the gaming standard for at least that long, and there's no reason to think gaming will move beyond that as gaming is not that multithreaded an enterprise.
Things like 3d vCache will be WAY more relevant for gaming performance going forward. I would expect the next consoles to be 8 core devices either with 3d vCache, or at least the full 32MB (or the equivalent desktop chip for that time) L2 cache and not be cut down to laptop variants.
Things like 3d vCache will be WAY more relevant for gaming performance going forward. I would expect the next consoles to be 8 core devices either with 3d vCache, or at least the full 32MB (or the equivalent desktop chip for that time) L2 cache and not be cut down to laptop variants.
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Magic Carpet
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1: OS
2: Shader Stutter Loader
3: Denuvo
4: SSD Unpacker
5: Run the Game
I count 5, we need only 5.
2: Shader Stutter Loader
3: Denuvo
4: SSD Unpacker
5: Run the Game
I count 5, we need only 5.
diffusionx
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6-7 years takes us to a new console generation, so the question is how many cores will the PS6 CPU have? Because that will set the standard for those games.
nowhat
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Zen 6. The socket will still be AM5. Next year we should be getting the big boys in Zen 6 (Epyc/Threadripper), followed by consumer models in 2027.
winjer
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In a way that is true, mostly because UE4 and UE5 are really badly optimized game engines.
Only recently did Epic improve scaling with CPU core count.
For a long time, UE4 and UE5 were very limited by one or two main threads, and then the rest of the CPU had low utilization.
rodrigolfp
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I don't think so for 6/7 years. PS6 should have at least 16 cores, so...
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nowhat
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This is a theory that is sourced from my rectum, but I maintain that the reason we nowadays have multi-core-friendly game engines at all (outside first-party) is because of the weak Jaguar cores of the previous console gen. A single Jaguar core or two just doesn't cut it, no matter how high the clock speed or such.
MadchesterManc
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Haven't felt the need to move on from my 5800x3D yet, so something like a 9800x3D should be plenty for a good while when it comes to gaming. Can't see someone needing a 9950x3D unless they also do work on the machine that may require the doubling of cores/threads. Even if consoles move on from 8 next gen then it may not be an issue if you have a fast processor seen as something like a 5600X can generally offer better CPU performance with less cores than the consoles.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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I would recommend at least a case to get you through the next 6-7 years! 
Hawk The Slayer
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Maybe not for certain games but should be enough for most besides trying to high setting some of the most demanding ones would be my guess.
Wilhelm_85
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I would go with the 9950x3D if you plan to make it last for 6 ~ 7 years, but yeah, it's likely you'll still be able to run most major releases at 60 fps+ with some setting changes even with a 9800x3D.
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