Clay Davis
Member
that...that doesn't make a lick of sense.
EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
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that...that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Lambda Pie
Banned
as someone who only buys used, and sells them afterwards, i want to share my 2 cents:
last game i bought was Hitman, the newest one. i bought it for 20 2 weeks after it released. now, some might say "well, the makes of the game just lost one sale"...
...false.
had i not crossed paths with a dude selling the game for 20, i wouldn't even buy it in the first place. how can they lose a sale they never had?
needless to say, there are many more like me. also needless say is the fact that i won't support any system that doesn't allow the resale of games.
last game i bought was Hitman, the newest one. i bought it for 20 2 weeks after it released. now, some might say "well, the makes of the game just lost one sale"...
...false.
had i not crossed paths with a dude selling the game for 20, i wouldn't even buy it in the first place. how can they lose a sale they never had?
needless to say, there are many more like me. also needless say is the fact that i won't support any system that doesn't allow the resale of games.
Ol No Bones
Banned
I think since games will be all digital eventually it makes since to be on the cutting edge of that kind of service.
metareferential
Member
It's Microsoft we're talking about.
Not Sega in the 90's. Do you really believe retailers will cut Ms off?
-Pyromaniac-
Member
he's saying MS leaked this information to Edge to make things look bad, but in reality it won't be AS BAD. Kind of like the under promise and over-deliver. And because Edge is willing to take that hit microsoft will offer them exclusive information in return.
One of the many conspiracy theories here but honestly, I can completely buy MS being their source here. Why else be so confident?
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I tend to think that people will go with the console that allows them to trade in a game that they have finished or may not particularly like and vice versa they could buy games at a discounted price on PS4 as opposed to going to the next Xbox where you have to buy everything at full price and won't be able to sell it or make some of your money back if you don't like the game, are finished with it or you have more than 1 copy of it. I would expect there to be more sells on PS4 as opposed to the next Xbox as well
Also I believe this will allow Sony to push DD even harder. Gamestop would have no voice in their online endeavors if Sony is the main party contributing to their business' survival. It should also lead to retailers pushing the PS4 much heavier
Tell that to Micheal Patcher who seems to still catch headlines everywhere even though he is almost considered a joke now. Also it's not too much of a risk, if it ends up wrong they can just blame it on a bad source and move on.
This is probably the most nonsensical thing I'll read today, which is saying something.
The price for nextbox games would stay high though while Ps4 players could pick up cheap versions a few weeks after game x releases.
That and tons of website traffic heading their way. Regardless, Edge is the big gamings news spotlight source right now.
And Microsoft doesn't care about you. At all. Or any of the many more like you.
In fact, no publisher does, since you give them zero profits.
BibiMaghoo
Member
You think a company that exists due to second hand sales will support a console that blocks them?
You think they will encourage sales of a device that destroys their business?
I do not.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
What you are saying is an understatement. The used market factors in for about 20 percent of absolute console sales. Microsoft knows this.
If this is true, either they have a plan to retain them or figure the loss will be minimal in the face of the guaranteed sales.
If you're doing it at the behest of the third-parties, that's all you need. Publishers will either tell Sony to get with the program or fuck off. And as much as Sony fans love their first-party games, it would Vita in the US if it had to rely only on first-party games.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Bobby Kotick already threatened to stop supporting Sony once this generation.
Yeah, Microsoft seems to be making $599/N64 Cartridge format level blunders right now. If rumors of true of course.
soundahfekz
Member
Welp that guy isn't gonna last long. Been seeing him everywhere acting like Microsoft's PR team
Can Crusher
Banned
What does MS accomplish by leaking supposedly false bad news of this type?
If nobody buys the next xbox... maybe not.
The problem is you are saying you buy ALL games used, so that means you are a gamer that never buys any games new. So you are saying you wouldn't be a gamer AT ALL then if not for used? I find that hard to believe. You bought the console, logic would say you may not buy as many games new as you do used, but you would still buy some games. Which still has its drawbacks for publishers and developers. Extreme hyperbole on both sides of the argument doesn't help either side.
This line of thinking really doesn't help the industry at all. Used as a supplement helps the industry but not putting back into the video game ecosystem does nothing. Trade your games in and buy new once in a while.
This is a fair point. When's the last time a gamestop had a large selection PC games?
-Pyromaniac-
Member
yeah but he talks alot of shit. You know who would LOVE that to be true though? EA and Dice. Battlefield on both consoles ---> becomes the bigger game.
the idea is that they leak this bad info, but the reality of the situation is not as bad, so people have a "ohh so it's not AS BAD as before". Still bad just not as bad as maybe this article points out, so it makes the bad news more palatable.
FonkyByNature
Member
I'm pretty sure it'll happen.
Used games are a thing of the past for these huge corporations, they all want that Apple and Steam's digital sales. Microsoft and Sony will do it. Publishers and developers want it.
The thing i don't like is the always online to play games... that is crap but again, i don't believe Microsoft or Sony are that retarded to make it happen.
Used games are a thing of the past for these huge corporations, they all want that Apple and Steam's digital sales. Microsoft and Sony will do it. Publishers and developers want it.
The thing i don't like is the always online to play games... that is crap but again, i don't believe Microsoft or Sony are that retarded to make it happen.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Why not, it's a quid pro quo. MS leak the info to Edge on the basis that Edge get a world exclusive later on. MS get their message out and are able to seem like the good guy when the real info is out because expectations are so poor, Edge get to sell a shit ton of magazines when they have "Next Issue - World Exclusive Next Xbox Hands On".
Stuff like this happens in politics all the time, it's called preparing the ground. When our bank has to release bad news we do it as well so when the actual bad news comes it doesn't seem so bad.
OmnipotentO
Member
Unless Xbox is also copying Steam prices then the Steam comparisons have to stop.
Ol No Bones
Banned
I have similar buying habits with games as well but it still does the makers of the game zero benifit when you buy that game used. If games were less desirable in a no used game market publishers could lower price to sell them and benifit from that sale. I think a steamesque service is the best solution.
Diablo Rosso
Member
Yeah because it blocks their means to be profitable. Game stores make more from used game sales and a console that blocks them is directly against them.
ACH1LL3US
Member
I think right now... its shock to alot of people. I think once the dust settles this won't be as big an issue as everyone thinks it will be.
If they follow a model similar to Steam and not keep 3 year old games at $59.99 this will be ok. It will seriously effect Gamestop though, no doubt about that.
I for one would rather go all digital with either the new Xbox or PS, games are on the HDD and no swapping of discs.
Heh, I don't know that I'd call this brave since they've been able to get customers to rationalize putting online play and other already paid for services behind a paywall, and paying exorbitant markups on otherwise heavily commoditized components like HDDs, for seven years and counting. MS has found a segment of the market that seems willing to rationalize just about any arbitrary premium if it's marketed right and if this rumor proves true, it suggests not bravery but complacency to just stick with that segment. They're welcome to it.EDGE said:
SpaceBridge
Member
My god. This is really terrifying actually. That 3rd parties would be this anti consumerist.
Captain Tuttle
Member
You have a wonderful way of cutting through the bullshit and hyperbole. This needs to be considered.
How could the music industry even implement something like this?
giant_frying_pan
Member
I don't know if Edge is right or wrong here (and their online presence is somewhat removed from their core editorial print team if I recall correctly) but I hope for their sake that they did actually double-source this (at least).
As I said a couple pages back, I think it's possible it's this - but with the intention of throwing Sony off their launch announcement.
Although I'm not as convinced as you that they aren't already set on doing this. I actually think they are, and just want to force Sony's hand.
If that is the case, then I am never reading anything from EDGE ever again. Would be pretty stupid of them to not only hang themselves out like this for Microsoft, but to come right back with a solidifying back-up article to reinforce the previous one.
They are not affiliated with Microsoft, why would they sacrifice themselves and their future credibility in order to make the truth more palatable in the end? It would take some straight-up blind fanboyism to agree to throwing themselves on the fire for Microsoft like that. I would hate to think they would risk their own credibility in such a fashion, but time will indeed tell the tale.
snoopeasystreet
Member
If we lived in a world where you couldn't buy used games, would you
A) Quit playing video games
B) Suck it up and buy new copies
If this is true...I cant wait for all the articles calling people who are against this entitled and supporters of piracy.
"Its potentially a sad end to a tale brought about very much by the fans themselves. Anyone who played the old consoles must surely of seen how desperately they needed an injection of new ideas and modernisation which is exactly what the skilful Microsoft achieved.
Yet the fans revolted because Microsoft dared to reinvent its console for the 21st century and dared to change the way games are sold. Its really very sad.
A headline suggested by a colleague: Xbox fans destroy brand out of spite. That about covers it."
"Its potentially a sad end to a tale brought about very much by the fans themselves. Anyone who played the old consoles must surely of seen how desperately they needed an injection of new ideas and modernisation which is exactly what the skilful Microsoft achieved.
Yet the fans revolted because Microsoft dared to reinvent its console for the 21st century and dared to change the way games are sold. Its really very sad.
A headline suggested by a colleague: Xbox fans destroy brand out of spite. That about covers it."
So I like to actually have evidence and logic rather than assumptions and speculation and refuse to mindlessly hate without it?
BTW personally I do own a Windows gaming PC and I'm not going to lie I lean towards Microsoft products but I'm definitely interested in the next Playstation.
Simple create a account system using one of the known popular services and instead of selling the content they sell codes to connect the content to the account, no used CDs to rip. Allow the music to only be streamed with a online connection to the service.
I've seen this done before and I've seen the loss in credibility swept under the carpet, who knows I might be wrong and EDGE might actually see some real blowback here but I doubt it.
People seem to care less about credibility of their sources and more interested in how controversial the subject is.
Has anyone actually watched the Gamestop stock or did someone just look at it and proclaim that it's 7% down because of this story?
I think that is a far from the truth as you can get. They run a story which subtly mentions suppressed used games in Microsoft's next console which then proceeds to be reblogged, posted, speculated and analyzed in loads of different places and instead of letting the dust settle for a few days within hours they post a follow up staunchly backing up their claims with how confident they are. If this does blow up they are going to look incredible amateur. No one has forced EDGE's hand and if it is a bad source it is their responsibility as a news outlet to make sure they don't put out false or misleading information without at least some basic fact checking. I wonder what GameStop would say, after having close to 7% knocked off their share price due to this story, if it goes belly-up?
Dark Octave
Banned
What a trip.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
that of course is what makes it a conspiracy theory at this point. Would they be willing to put their credibility on the line for traffic? In this day and age who knows.
Don't think they haven't thought of it before. They just know better than to try it.
Uno Venova
Banned
....I would think the reason EDGE is so confident in their source is because it came through in the past. But double agent leaks works too.
And how would rentals work with this anti-used game protection?
Being a console warrior is a hard and creative work.
I can live with not used games part but always online is such a bad idea. It is almost debilitating.