Didnt even think of this. I have a 50GB bandwidth cap during "peak" hours, which are 5pm thru 1am, which is also the same chunk of the day where I play my games. If an online only system is introduced, they need to have some kind of preload so I can get my games during off peak hours...or Im screwed on game release days and will have to download everything the next morning while Im at work.
EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
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Didnt even think of this. I have a 50GB bandwidth cap during "peak" hours, which are 5pm thru 1am, which is also the same chunk of the day where I play my games. If an online only system is introduced, they need to have some kind of preload so I can get my games during off peak hours...or Im screwed on game release days and will have to download everything the next morning while Im at work.
So did Nintendo receive the same amount of pressure before the release of the Wii U? I don't remember reading anything about them even considering not allowing used games.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
All these rumors are starting to hurt certain business (as seen with GameStop). Hopefully what Sony has to show regarding PlayStation 4/Orbis will trigger Microsoft's lust to release information and thus can we have actual information instead of mere guesswork.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
The WiiU is missing out on huge games like GTAV.
googleplex
Member
Actually I can see this working for both Sony and MS if they are selling new activation codes for like $20.00. That way used games can still be sold but publishers and platform holders still get some money. This would collapse the price of used game sales but not do away with then entirely. It'll force Gamestop to sale used physical disks at a lower price if the consumer has to buy an $20 activation from Sony or Microsoft.
Gamers could still buy and sale used games but re-sellers would make less profit.
Gamers could still buy and sale used games but re-sellers would make less profit.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
If this all pans out I am fucking sick of MS. God fucking damnit.
Halo. =(
Halo. =(
They would be foolish not to have a preload system, as CoDbros would likely down XBLM on release day.
Gamestop is already allocating a fair amount of shelving to code cards. Two of the nearest ones have almost half a wall(15ft) of shelving dedicated to DLC, MMO cards, etc. Kinda crazy, but that will likely be the norm in the future.
lololol buy a cd, get a code good for one cd player...fml
iceatcs
Junior Member
I won't be surprise some stores will rearrange more shelf for them.
I think it will affect the balance between publishers and retailers. Digital age has change a lot but not yet full break this balance.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
In politics this is known as preparing the ground.
This is a controlled leak of information from MS to Edge, the purpose is to put a ghastly idea out there that people deem unpalatable and then when MS announce much less draconian measures (such as mandatory online passes/activation codes at $10-15 for used games) people are more willing to accept it.
There is absolutely no way MS launch a box with no second hand games and always online DRM if they are not 110% sure that Sony are also doing it.
This is a controlled leak of information from MS to Edge, the purpose is to put a ghastly idea out there that people deem unpalatable and then when MS announce much less draconian measures (such as mandatory online passes/activation codes at $10-15 for used games) people are more willing to accept it.
There is absolutely no way MS launch a box with no second hand games and always online DRM if they are not 110% sure that Sony are also doing it.
Makes even the good old Atari 2600 look good, does it not? Just turn the thing on and play it, with no strings attached. Because it's yours and you have that right. This is pathetic, if true.
Ol No Bones
Banned
I really don't see the problem as long as new games are digital day one. I would be willing to buy an Xbox without an optical drive.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Lol, enough with the "they just want hits" , bs. Every article on every website is posted to generate hits. Websites cannot exist if they post articles that no one wants to read.
EA and others would likely put the most pressure on Microsoft because the Xbox has the most to lose if EA, Activision, and others withdraw support. The threat could have been empty, but Microsoft may not have wanted to take the chance with their limited first-party portfolio.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
They did think of it - CDs. Problem is they were circumvented by a new format ad refused to try to catch up.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I could see that. Also would explain why Edge is so confident in their source if it's someone from MS.
Well despite all the doom and gloom I don't think just because publishers want to strong arm platform holders into trying to eradicate used game sales that I'm going to make purchases at the same frequency as I do when I have a free reign and I'm sure I'm not alone. Actions like this and with the continued bloated budgets is just asking for another crash.
Answer me this if you know the title you buy is going to stay at a higher price or close to mrsp/rrp for longer due to no secondhand market and once you've finished with said title you have no ability to sell, pass on or gift it to anyone that you are going to be as willing to part with your money? I can see people being very diligent with their purchases which could have a serious knock on effect which could lead to contracting the market.
Answer me this if you know the title you buy is going to stay at a higher price or close to mrsp/rrp for longer due to no secondhand market and once you've finished with said title you have no ability to sell, pass on or gift it to anyone that you are going to be as willing to part with your money? I can see people being very diligent with their purchases which could have a serious knock on effect which could lead to contracting the market.
Why does MS give 2 fucks about system wide used game online passes? If they want they could just put them in their 1st party stuff...
MisterHero
Super Member
If their long-term history has any input, Nintendo would be pushed into NOT supporting blocking used games. They lost a case over rentals in the NES days. I don't see why that should be different now.
this is because of rockstar choosing larger userbases. it's the same reason it won't be for ps4/720.
So the ones that are most likely to buy used won't care? Because it damn sure isn't the GAF/internet message board demographic making used games so profitable for Gamestop.
Not fully ignore the other console but exclusive content. That could be very believable.
I meant CD-Keys with linked accounts.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
It will be more difficult for Sony to do this because of the Japanese market. Really interesting to see what Sony does in the next few days.
That said, I find it highly coincidental that this info is coming out now, just two weeks from Sony's announced reveal.
Ah. Technology wasn't there at the time.
They were completely blindsided with the mp3 revolution.
That said, I find it highly coincidental that this info is coming out now, just two weeks from Sony's announced reveal.
Ah. Technology wasn't there at the time.
They were completely blindsided with the mp3 revolution.
Crazyorloco
Member
Yup, I think that's one of the benefits in it for them...to eventually make all games digital releases. Which I like, especially for those hard to find games. But damn I like having a physical copy of my games more, I don't like the long wait to download 10+GB games. I like having them instantly. I'm in the u.s. virgin islands and the fastest speeds here are 5 mbps. Plus you can trade in games, save storage space on the console, let a friend borrow a game, sell it to a friend...etc...
Edge sounds mighty confident. I say this is actually going to happen.
I'm not on a 100MB connection (Less than a third of that actually) and in the time and cost it would take me to go, buy the game, and return I can download a 30GB-50GB game.
Not to mention the sheer convince of getting games digitally now. You can buy and download new releases before stores even open, or set it to download while you're at work or school and have it done when you get home. Hell, I can pull out my phone and buy shit that'll be waiting for me when I get home. It's pretty awesome.
And most people can and will do the same. Internet speeds and coverage areas will only improve while these new consoles are out.
Please do not attempt to answer personal questions directed at others. Especially when you missed the point of the question completely. Thanks!
Ol No Bones
Banned
A potential win for Microsoft if the price is lower than ps4 games. If they can keep the price at 50 bucks and ps4 are at 60 than ps4 is in trouble.
Clay Davis
Member
was the rumour ever related to microsoft? I only ever remember there being talk abut sony doing it. this is really coming out of nowhere, which is why I don't believe any of it.
This is one hypothetical for a game crash for those who love what MS is doing. Let's hope that happens.
Windows 8, GFWL, PC Live Gold subscriptions, tying free services elsewhere to Xbox live gold. Nothing surprises me by any company in the gaming industry anymore. Even worse gamers embracing the anti-consumerism and attack on consumer property rights and actually DEFENDING the companies like they are their best buds doesn't surprise me either.
Honestly saying consumers would fight this and go PS4 to teach them a lesson or go Wii U if both embrace this is part educated/experience guess and part hope. The gaming consumer base has disappointed me so much this gen and has left me in disbelief so often that I just couldn't be sure what they would do.
Puppet Shadow
Member
This will make for some good times here on Gaf. At this point, I think I'm more looking forward to this years E3 more than any other. Meltdowns and bitter tears ahoy!
zomgbbqftw
Banned
For those wondering why Edge would sign up for something like this, expect them to get something like the world exclusive reveal/first hands on of the Next Xbox in return.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
It's possible. Maybe MS did "sell their souls" to get more exclusives. But the idea that big publishers would keep big games away from the other big competitor is crazy talk.
flyinpiranha
Member
And this is what scares me the most. The fact that they are standing steadfast.
No used games will definitely affect my overall gaming purchases in a huge way. I would eventually get the next Xbox for some marked down "new" games I would 'have' to play but unless Sony does the same thing, I will be playing everything on a PS4.
Now, if they both have this draconian DRM then I'm not sure what I'll do ... probably buy a better Video Card (6870 is showing its age) and continue to HDMI-out to my TV with a wireless 360 controller.
This is a dangerous bet they are taking. MS must have some serious 3rd party exclusives in order for this to work or they know Sony is taking the same steps.
Still hoping it's all false though.
Diablo Rosso
Member
Not if retailers don't bother stocking the Xbox games to begin with.
I'm curious if this is a test balloon sent up by Microsoft. They can't directly contact Sony; that would be colluding. But this may be their way of letting Sony know that they have something ready to go. As others have said, I think both companies WANT to lock out used games, but neither is willing to do it unless the other does it as well.
So by leaking this now, they're practically forcing journalists to ask the questions at the Feb. 20 event. That'll be Sony's chance to respond. If they come on board and announce that they'll be locking out used games as well, then Microsoft has the green light and this actually happens.
If Sony instead pivots away and pledges to allow used games, Microsoft can back away from this system and claim it was just an unfounded rumor.
So by leaking this now, they're practically forcing journalists to ask the questions at the Feb. 20 event. That'll be Sony's chance to respond. If they come on board and announce that they'll be locking out used games as well, then Microsoft has the green light and this actually happens.
If Sony instead pivots away and pledges to allow used games, Microsoft can back away from this system and claim it was just an unfounded rumor.
True, but that wouldn't stop a company like Amazon from capitalizing on potential sales. Hell, Amazon's winter PC game sale was incredibly popular this year. Short of Microsoft not letting anyone else sell digital Xbox games - which is entirely possible - I think the possibility is there.
Can Crusher
Banned
EDGE is going far with this, leading me to believe that this is actually true.
For talking bad about Xbox?
For talking bad about Xbox?
What's the consumer protection for things like this in Japan? I know the EU has a pretty large leeway for what consumers can/cannot do with purchased goods.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Publishers might be very happy with Microsoft's decision, but one thinks they might have forgot the crucial other half of that equation... I don't trust shit from Edge, for the record.