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WiiU "Latte" GPU Die Photo - GPU Feature Set And Power Analysis
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Nope. No.
darkness_s
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They never say it's on par with PC, all they say is that it's the best looking console version.
I think you misunderstood. They said they ported the PC version to the Wii U instead of the PS360 version and it has higher graphic fidelity. They didn't say that it was a perfect port.
here is about the same interview, same guy, but he says a couple of things more... He says... We added all the high textures and all assets from a high end pc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jmZ-I0TexFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jmZ-I0TexFY
Right they didn't say it was on par with the PC version, just that they used the assets/textures of the PC version and improved the lighting compared to the other consoles. No small feat any way you slice it though. And if WiiU does end up being merely 160SPU/176Gflops... those numbers would be even more meaningless than i always thought. Because what do those numbers mean when you can have clearly better looking games with inferior specs on paper.
Sure, but resolution, framerate, AA... could still all be better. So while using those PC features, doesn't actually mean "on par" with PC. For the record, not even Orbis & Durango will run games "on par" with PC versions.
Schnozberry
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Draw distance was improved as well. It will be interesting to see how people react to what Nintendo shows at E3. The mental gymnastics on display should be quite entertaining for people who want to continue to claim it's weaker than the 360 and PS3.
shinra-bansho
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I'm not sure what you're disputing. Iwata said that normal use will be ~40W depending on what's being used, accessories etc. If you're taking that quote directly from the translation post then you should have seen a quote similar to what I wrote.
Here is the direct quote from Cheesemeister's translation:
"Depending on the game being played and the accessories connected, roughly 40 watts of electrical consumption could be considered realistic."
The consumption will never reach 75W. I don't think any device is ever designed to draw the maximum it's power supply is rated at.
Again I doubt that Anand or Richard Leadbetter had a whole bunch of USB ports drawing power during their power draw tests - although someone's free to contact either of them. Plug in 4 USB devices drawing 2.5W each and you can be up at 42-43W while running a game.
megabytecr
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I think this game can clear SOME things up.
They said they were using pc assets (better textures I guess), better lighting and draw distance.
How this all comes together in the end we could compare the Wii U version with several pc configurations and have a somewhat idea of the Wii U power.
He said nothing of the sort. He simply implied that those saying it was no better than 360/PS3 were wrong.
Nah, that was definitely gloating. I assume he's forgotten that when the 'haters' go back to the drawing board, they'll find Durango & Orbis.
Hater confirmed. Anyway lets keep the investigation going
I am not comparing pc with wii U.. lol But its happy news, that wii U uses all assets from a high end pc... with reduced fps and resolution probably, 720p.. But what can you expect more from a console, this is the best news for a console.
I am a pc gamer to, now I also building my new rig, instead of spending my money to consoles, I dont have wii U yet, giving it some time. But I do need a console for its exclusives and I will end up buying one, especially nintendo, is the best candidate (maybe orbis, if they dont force u stay connected 24h be able to play). Today there is also a rumor about watchdogs is coming on wii U. If they have nice multiplayer, why not...
I will track wii U gpu, because I want this nightmare to finaly over.. I need to know what is inside.
TAS
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Yes..yes I am. And the reason is quite simple: for months Nintendo supporters had to sit through endless bashing and contempt from trolls and so-called 'experts' trying to convince us that there is something wrong with us for believing that Wii U is superior hardware.
What ? I thought I had been paying more or less attention and the concensus here was 350gflops plus whatever secret/custom sauce we dont know what is yet.
Silent_Ocarina
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It's been perpetuated that Wii U hardware is inferior to current generation hardware. And people have definitely used ports such as Call of Duty as ammo to sling mud at Wii U. In that sense, I think it's perfectly fine to throw around Need For Speed as proof to the contrary.
Of course, people will resort to dismissing it by playing the "Well, of course it's better than seven year old hardware" card.
Of course, people will resort to dismissing it by playing the "Well, of course it's better than seven year old hardware" card.
Thing is, there's likely ZERO people who think that Wii U is both more performant than 360/PS3 and near Durango and Orbis, so it doesn't matter.
I don't really give a fuck if Wii U is less powerful, more powerful or the same when it comes down to it, but I do get pissed off at all the trolls (not talking about you) that consistently visit Wii U threads and try shit them up with "HAHAHA 12.8GB/S bandwidth! Sub 360 confirmed" bullshit.
Schnozberry
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Yeah, and then they'll finally reach the mountain top, and be the ruler of all the pixels! Seriously, I want to gather a bunch of kids from third world countries and pay them handsomely to read these threads, just so everyone will finally realize what a bunch of absolute fucktards we all sound like sometimes.
blu
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That was a fast retreat. I was expecting you to stay your position a bit longer before reverting to the D&O safe haven. And you were on the right track with the 'better than 7yo hw' : )
sorry guys, but I dont believe in orbis/720 era... One of these 2 will fail and abandon industry for sure, or both... Its not about specs, its about policies and behaveur..
I do believe wii U is more powerful that ps360 in any means. Time will tell, if you now tell me that wii U is less, u cant prove it, so time will tell.
I do believe wii U is more powerful that ps360 in any means. Time will tell, if you now tell me that wii U is less, u cant prove it, so time will tell.
Can we please not go down this road yet again? There's plenty of other places to have this argument.
shinra-bansho
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More drama than Game of Thrones.
darkness_s
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You just described GameCube right there.
Schnozberry
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I'm tired of the argument myself. I wish more people didn't organize into gaming street gangs. Given the state of the video games business, I would think people who actually love games would want every game company to succeed, otherwise we're going to be stuck playing the same 25 franchises until the entire thing implodes.
Not for nothing but the longer you argue your viewpoint, one that's based on what seems to be some kind of minority mindset about the Wii U's oldish low performance hardware, the more you seem to validate the propping up of such examples like Need for Speed.
What volumes are being spoken, that's not already clearly understood? Especially by this thread, ya know?
megabytecr
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The system is a bit of a mistery because of Nintendo, they have their reasons I am sure and the Ealry Ports either had issues or where on par. That was enough for the haters to shit on the Wii U, which to me always seemed ilogical as most ports had budget or time constraints.
The fact that this NFS game was ported using PC assets tells a lot to me, and with more to come it will only get better. At the end games will finish clearing things up.
But yeah I second that you tech guys get back to being technical. Although the latest NFS news seems relevant enough for the sake of analysis.
My viewpoint? I said the Wii-U was a shade ahead of 360/PS3 as soon as the X trailer dropped. You're swinging at shadows. The only viewpoint I've expressed here is that gloating about getting one over on the 'haters' is ridiculous. Because it is. Direct your ire elsewhere.
Apophis2036
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Saltydave in yet another WiiU thread trolling, so very sad...
I said all along that as soon as WiiU proved itself more powerful than PS360 the trolls would simply change their tune to 'I should hope it's better than 7 year old hardware' and 'lololol PS4/720 are 5x more powerful anyway'.
So predictable
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I said all along that as soon as WiiU proved itself more powerful than PS360 the trolls would simply change their tune to 'I should hope it's better than 7 year old hardware' and 'lololol PS4/720 are 5x more powerful anyway'.
So predictable
.shinra-bansho
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I haven't played NFS Most Wanted for any platform.
Does anything in that video actually show some a sizable performance or graphical improvement over the HD 7th gen systems.
Does anything in that video actually show some a sizable performance or graphical improvement over the HD 7th gen systems.
Saltydave in yet another WiiU thread trolling, so very sad...
I said all along that as soon as WiiU proved itself more powerful than PS360 the trolls would simply change their tune to 'I should hope it's better than 7 year old hardware' and 'lololol PS4/720 are 5x more powerful anyway'.
So predictable
I'm just putting this out there, but not everyone who talks of the Wii U being weak is a troll. It doesn't matter how powerful it is to me, but it does to many people, and what they say and argue does not make them a troll. Some are trolls, sure, but not everyone.
I'm not sure what you are doing in this thread. And i'm not sure i get the point you are making either. For months WiiU enthousiasts had to hear about how it was "on par" with ps360. We were delusional for thinking early, quick, cheap ports had anything to do with them performing worse. The CPU was supposedly below ps360, the RAM, while twice (possibly more in the future) the amount was "crippled" due to low bandwidth, and now the GPU also seems to be "below 360" because "no way a more potent GPU could draw so little power"... and now we have a dev that is extremely well known with both PS3 and 360, who has its first ever WiiU game (also a port) eclipse both other platforms in, what appears to be, a quite considerable way, and we shouldn't be able to mutter as little as a: "HAH!"?
And what your reaction might have been to the "X" trailer is of no concern to this thread. You might have said WiiU is "slightly" above current gen, many others claimed it was not (RDR arguments, Just Cause etc...). And i don't believe the post you were responding to, was addressed to you, so that is a moot argument.
I popped my head in to see what concrete information had been gleaned and immediately read the nonsense that I replied to. Fair enough, I should've just rolled my eyes and moved on. If people want to celebrate 'besting' the 360 & PS3, they're welcome to.
I'm not even swinging.
Viewpoint as in, its ridiculous to point out where the Wii U is more powerful than 7 year old hardware while gloating.
In any event, my apologies if you feel I misunderstood you, but I was merely pointing out that counter arguing the one poster you did, is pointless in a thread like this IMO. He specifically called out haters that felt the Wii U was weaker, and since you aren't one of them, why volley with what you did?
The longer you continued to argue (and even bring up Orbis), the further you would be painted as one of these "haters". Especially since the great majority in this thread don't think the Wii U hardware is the balls or whatever.
Anyway, judging from your response to me, it seems like you're agitated and found my post to be another figurative body on the SmokeyDave pileup. Since I think you're a good guy, I'll not continue with a back and fourth, lest things really get sour.
Apophis2036
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I agree but there are 4 or 5 posters on this forum that go into every single thread with 'WiiU' in the title to do nothing but bad mouth it, be it hardware, software, preview, review or sales threads.
I don't have to name them, everyone knows who they are.
Absolutely obsessed with seeing a collection of electronic chips fail, as I said before...sad.
You have my sincere apologies. As I said, I should've just jogged on. I want no beef with you.
I suppose it depends how you look at it. Framerate and resolution/AA will always be better on PC and a year from now the best PC's will be able to play the same version of NFS at even higher resolution and faster framerates then todays best. But I wouldn't consider that to mean the PC version of NFS had been upgraded.
From my point of view I'd judge it more on the content on max settings. So if the WiiU version had the same assets (textures/models), lighting, draw distance, shadows, reflections ect as the max setting on PC along with a very playable framerate I'd consider both versions to be on par. But at the moment we really don't know that it does so I agree its currently not accurate to claim its on par.
No, I don't think that was the point of it at all. i can see how you would come to that conclusion though.
Oh I wasn't disputing just laying it all out again seeing as people were discussing it. Sorry I quoted your post - I can see how that came across as a reply to you specifically
I also wanted to point out that bit about the efficiency of a power supply unit not being calculated after the output is calculated. If a psu can output 75w then that's what it can output, full stop. Much the same as a 800w pc psu outputs 800w (although I know they're not directly comparable pieces of equipment)
The efficiency is based on what it draws from the wall (AC) by what it outputs as DC. So for example if it outputs 75w and is 80% efficient (ie 20% lost as heat etc) it will be drawing 94w from the wall to be able to output that 75w. At least that's my understanding?
And as you correctly point out, it's never going to hit its max as the WiiU will have been designed to consume within that 75w limit. It's still completely possible for it to get near that figure though, assuming everything running at full tilt and all usb/SD card, chargers etc in use. How near? Who knows.
That's true, and although they're not comparable equipment directly I believe the same principal applies (afaik?)
It's awesome that you entered the thread. It used to be focused on boring analysis of hardware but now its become the back and forth about power every thread longs to be.
To be fair, it's not your fault people flock to quote and argue with you, I guess.
Its becoming quite clear that many WiiU games made launch with developers not fully understanding the hardware.
-Alex Ward, Criterion
Maybe due to the delays, Nintendo decided to soft launch the console, with the hopes
of relaunching in 2013 with games that would separate the WiiU from current gen. Nintendo, after all, has the luxury of at least a year head start, and miight have even gotten two if MS and Sony got into any hardware problems.
Yeah, I realized I was picking on one person when there are what appear from my layman perspective to already be multiple camps of cheerleaders even among the people doing technical analysis. It's not Dave's fault he is so popular, but he must use his popularity responsibly.
TheRedSnifit
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Have there been any major updates since I last checked in?
Schnozberry
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I'm pretty sure Alex was referring to getting actual Wii U's in their homes to play, not the final devkits. Nintendo said at their investors meeting that full power Devkits were available mid 2012. I guess that doesn't mean Criterion got them then, but we know they were available at least.
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