Ugh, this was mentioned back then by Blu, he's just being thick as usual. He's taking real-world numbers and subtracting theorethical maxima to fit his agenda.
WiiU "Latte" GPU Die Photo - GPU Feature Set And Power Analysis
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Ugh, this was mentioned back then by Blu, he's just being thick as usual. He's taking real-world numbers and subtracting theorethical maxima to fit his agenda.
It came from a review site who played mario 2d... No hardcore stuff.
ugh.. is right... Yea my "agenda" since i never even came up with these numbers.
But please dont let this tech discussion get in the way, let me get my pitchfork too, oh wait...
too funny...
Then please enlighten me, how or why, in the name of fuck, you would argue that the drive draws more power than actually being tested in the SAME test that gave you your 33W to begin with, being a self-proclaimed tech expert?
And if the theoretical maximum is higher than what is shown in the test for this particular part, is it not a possibility, that the same can be true for other parts? Hence maybe the GPU could have a higher theorethical MAX TDP than what you are claiming, hence be a lot closer to known chips as the E6760 after customization? Not only does it "free" up 2.4W for the GPU going by your math; if the real-world power draw in comparable circumstances of, for instance, the E6760 is also not the same as its max TDP (highly likely i would say), those numbers are growing increasingly closer together. Making your entire "not enough power" meme, obsolete.
Oh yeah, I remember now - thanks. The interesting thing about those tests iirc, was actually that there's very little fluctuation between idle/playing.
Although that might have something to do with the fact the disc spins up in the drive even when not used I guess.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-is-the-green-console
euro gamer had a better test with more games. Front end to game had the same readings. It only drop to 29 while running netflix. So the front end has to be spinning the drive or something else.
So going by these figures looks to be 29 not running the drive to 32-33 with the drive. Or other thing are power down...
Better test would be a game that has a d/l version and disc base version.
shinra-bansho
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The actual quote is more along the lines of "depending upon what accessories are connected and what game is being played the Wii U draws ~40W."
I'm assuming when DF or AnandTech did their tests they didn't load up the USB ports with devices drawing power.
gingerbeardman
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Marcan is waiting for his GAF membership to be approved.
http://twitter.com/marcan42/status/300077876617834496
JohnnySasaki86
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Which sometimes can take over a month, correct? It did for me.
Pm a mod if you want his account fast tracked. With someone who they think can add to discussion they might see their way clear to fast track the process unless he's involved in shit that they don't like. Stumpokopow is reasonable and reads PMs.
Broken Logic
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Based on being an owner simply watching it work, I'm wondering if its just that the front menu has a quite a few things going on, miiverse stuff, icons, etc. Whereas netflix is probably more efficient because it doesn't worry about those other things, which would contribute to part of the difference in power consumption compared to that of the front.
Over a year for me.
The fuck? It took me less than a week...
tkscz
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3 months for me. If you PM a mod he can get his membership faster
Zoramon089
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So how do you explain
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-is-the-green-console
And then they show Xbox 360/PS3 functions covering a range of 11 watts...I'm just saying, why are we assuming a max simply from launch software?
To be fair, that's all we have to go on. It seems that the current software is LOCKED at 32-33w when playing games, regardless of how hard the gpu is being pushed. It doesn't seem likely we'd magically see more variance down the road unless for some reason early dev kits for launch software mandated a 32-33w draw...and there's no reason to think that.
Wii was the same way as the wiiu.
Just less power to work with so even running the UI must be almost running the console 100%.
We are just going with the facts we have in front of us. Would be great if people would add more data to the discussion.
then show your work.
Should be easy since the calculations are "horrible."
Hold on, im working on your sarcasm detector...its almost finished
3-4 years, 3 different emails :s
lol my bad....
wow
so that was sarcasm huh... So 5W is... nothing? Right? That's what you are saying? Well, since we are discussing the GPU being a 15W part or a 20W part, i'd say that is a substantial percentage. Wouldn't you? That's a 33% increase. Peanuts. But good to have you back. Do make sure to stick around this time.
Schnozberry
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I, for one, love these dick swinging contests about nothing.
Did we ever figure out which block the Tessellator might be in? Shin'en updated Nano Assault Neo with some new graphical effects, one of which being Tessellation.
Did we ever figure out which block the Tessellator might be in? Shin'en updated Nano Assault Neo with some new graphical effects, one of which being Tessellation.
tkscz
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Link and no we haven't
Schnozberry
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I'm not even sure I could quantify it. It does look like they added some more detailed textures on some of the enemies and tessellation from what I can tell. The update was pretty small, but then again, the whole game is 100MB.
Schnozberry
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Ok. I'm not sure if Tessellation was used for sure. I know Shin'en talked about using it, and now the ship looks much better in game. I could be seeing things. I can't go back to the old version of the game to check my eyes.
EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong. Shin'en's twitter clarifies he was talking about future games.
walking fiend
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@ShinenGames Hi, Some people on internet claim that Nano assault neo use tesselation shader. Can you confirm please?
@kensama59 No tesselation in Nano Assault Neo
@ShinenGames Thanks. And with the knowledge of Wii U hardware now, do you think this effect will be possible?
@kensama59 We'll be using it in future games.
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edit: followed up with some of the discussion; this Marcan dude, no what he does I mean, is insane!
I think this is probably the most thorough and low level technical discussion done for any console
Schnozberry
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Yeah, I edited my previous post to reflect I was wrong after I did some Googling. I hope the next game is Fast Racing League U or something. Their twitter also mentioned using tessellation and user interactive dynamic displacement maps, which is a hell of a lot more than they had to work with on the Wii.
Oh dear not this silly argument again. I really thought we'd sorted this out the first time it came up..
lwilliams3
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Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing your theory. In the meantime, do we know of Brazo and/or Llano have some unique performance quirks?
He said "WiiU is rated at 75w consumption. This consumption is measured at maximum utilisation of all functionality" He then went on to say normal use will be around 45w.
That quoted part is word for word from cheesemeisters translation.
edit: unless I'm reading the label wrong, the psu max output is 75w (15V, 5A).
You don't then calculate the efficiency. The efficiency is calculated from what the psu draws from the wall by what it outputs(max 75w). The AC rating is 230V 0.9A 50hz but I don't know what to do with those numbers.
A little off topic but I posted in this thread earlier how my Wii U had frame rate issues on the Wara Wara Plaza. Whenever I scrolled around the frame rate would drop and it'd chug.
A few days later and it seems to be working fine with zero frame rate drops or chugging. I'm thinking it might have been related to the Miiverse servers or my internet connection because someone else replied to me (somewhere else) that they had similar issues. I'm honestly so confused but as long as I don't have to worry about the hardware I'm kind of happy.
This is so weird.
A few days later and it seems to be working fine with zero frame rate drops or chugging. I'm thinking it might have been related to the Miiverse servers or my internet connection because someone else replied to me (somewhere else) that they had similar issues. I'm honestly so confused but as long as I don't have to worry about the hardware I'm kind of happy.
This is so weird.
Why are you posting this here?
ColdBlooder
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Yeah i want an in-depth analysis of the Wii U gpu, using NFS:MW U as a reference by USC-Fan. Van Owen is welcome to chime in aswell.
Does it still count as 1st gen Wii U software since it could have been out on launch or does that one count as 2nd gen Wii U software? March is also still launchwindows (Although the very end of it)
Zoramon089
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Can't wait for a new round of excuses discrediting NFS performing better. It'll be interesting reading the DF article
Seems they are taking advantage of the extra RAM and bw. Maybe also advance shader support.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Reading through the last 24 hours of posts has convinced me GAF needs a dedicated thread titled "Wii U Disc-Drive - Power Draw and Other Analysis".
Btw, has Nintendo given a nickname to the drive itself? Perhaps 'Bean Hopper'?
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Edit. You know, USC-fan, why don't you modify your Wii U by temporarily unpluging the power connector to "bean hopper" and then run a digital download game off the box? Than measure the difference in power draw before and after that change to know once and for all.
Btw, has Nintendo given a nickname to the drive itself? Perhaps 'Bean Hopper'?
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Edit. You know, USC-fan, why don't you modify your Wii U by temporarily unpluging the power connector to "bean hopper" and then run a digital download game off the box? Than measure the difference in power draw before and after that change to know once and for all.
What "extra bandwidth"? Isn't the system bandwidth starved?
I think we can at least put the bandwidth bottleneck bullshit to rest now...
Nope, serious. I just got up and came to my usual WIi U tech threads to find this nonsense. I call bullshit cause the folks on Beyond 3D and a few here too assured me the Wii U was bandwidth starved.
Moral Panic
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What "extra bandwidth"? Isn't the system bandwidth starved?
I think we can at least put the bandwidth bottleneck bullshit to rest now...
Did they say there was more bandwidth? I can't be arsed to watch the video now, but the summary doesn't say anything about having more bandwidth.
frankie_baby
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Franky_baby will gladly respond to your sarcasm driven post, then
my fingers dont have enough bandwidth to type more than one joke post per week
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
LOL *tips hat*
I doubt its 175gflops.
Today they posted an interview on utube from Need for Speed most wanted, developers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0eH3DmUgokk
They say wii U is on par with PC in need for speed, they ported it str8 from Pc and it runs perfect!!! in textures, effects, graphics, etc...
Today they posted an interview on utube from Need for Speed most wanted, developers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0eH3DmUgokk
They say wii U is on par with PC in need for speed, they ported it str8 from Pc and it runs perfect!!! in textures, effects, graphics, etc...
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