Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529

Online play will continue to be free I think. Stuff like Spectate mode etc will be put behind a pay wall most likely which is reasonable I guess. They better not put Online play behind a pay wall.
 
Mr.Wreckless said:
The newest iPhones are more than 199 when they are first released.

Most phone models drop in price around the time they are going to announce something new.

iPads are around the same price and you get a lot less.
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Maybe you mean the higher capacity iPhones, but each new iPhone has been $199 subsidized for the lowest capacity model (16GB for the last 3 models) at launch.
 
UberTag said:
As a PS3 and Vita owner (chances are you're probably not in the 2nd category), I have a vested interest in Sony's ecosystem.

I know as a dedicated gamer that wants to see them not only survive this next generation but thrive, Sony needs to be far more adept at generating revenue than they have been in the past in order to fix their marketing, keep their first-party studios afloat and counter the aggressive subsidized purchase plans Microsoft will be rolling out for Durango this fall.

Microsoft generates over a half-billion dollars in revenue in LIVE subscriptions annually (I'm actually low-balling that number - it's probably well over that). This is revenue Sony could sorely benefit from having.

Frankly, I would argue that YOU have no interesting in supporting Sony by saying they shouldn't charge for online. Because instead of showing an appreciation for Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Polyphony and Sony's rich development culture and IPs, you're only coming across as being cheap because you don't want to cough up the equivalent of one game purchase/year to support their online infrastructure.

(Having an additional revenue stream in place could also help to stave off attacks like the one that took their entire network offline for a month and compromised thousands of accounts back in 2011.)
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This is the biggest corporate induced consumer guilt trip I've ever witnessed.
Incredible.

Really disgusting.
 
AZ Greg said:
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:P
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Since he wrote the essay the PS3 has shipped 60 million units,has shortened the Wii lifespan and now it's outselling the Wii and the Wii U worldwide 2-to-1...combined.In other words,the PS3 is cannibalizing Nintendo's profits and transferring the money to the PS4 while making sure that PlayStation is #1 for three straight generations.

To be fair, he was partially right about the US market. However,the PS3 will likely outsell the PS1 in US+Canada.Morover,the massive losses between FY 2006-2008 are due to decisions made nearly a decade ago by people who are no longer in charge.This is 2013.PlayStation home consoles will remain competitive,if they don't make bad decisions.

UberTag said:
Outside of Final Fantasy XIII (which already saw substantially diminished returns for XIII-2), there has been no HD-console market in Japan. Not a single million-seller.

By that measure the only answer to your question is they would lose it to the 3DS. Just like every other platform has. 3DS "one console future" has already taken over in Japan.
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I'm sure that FF,RE,WE,MGS,Tales,Yakuza,Gundam,One Piece,Musou,Disgaea,Atelier and others would sell millions on 3DS,the handheld whose tie-ratio for third party titles is 1 :)
 
Has there even been a part of Kotaku's rumor that claims online play will require a subscription?

Seems like a lot of logic leaps, not to mention stress put on a rumor.
 
Meelow said:
If this is true, hopefully it doesn't mean I will have to pay for online gaming.
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As long as online gaming is free, I don't care about the rest of the stuff. If I have to pay to play folks online, I'm done with console gaming period.
Even if that means leaving fighting games behind.
 
carl said:
Why would i want to control it with my phone?
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Why the heck not? I control my Apple TV by phone and Ipad all the time. It makes things simple, easy and effective. You can scroll through menus for movies, TV etc. Even better if it doubles up as a second controller. You might have three friends over and only two controllers.
 
KalBalboa said:
Has there even been a part of Kotaku's rumor that claims online play will require a subscription?

Seems like a lot of logic leaps, not to mention stress put on a rumor.
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Of course not.

We can only speculate like so: I believe current free features (like online play) will still be free but new features will get stuck behind a paywall.

There... normal speculation.

But we have people in here speaking as if what wasn't said is already written in stone. Same thing with negative rumors about the next XBOX. Silly to go that far into the field when it is unknown. Speculation about rumors is fine so long as it sticks within the realm of the rumor. Making decisions before an official announcement and calling the final nail is just crazy talk.

Either or - the meltdowns are rather fun whilst chewing delicious air-popped popcorn. Yum!
 
Wow Sony has been nailing it lately, and this would DESTROY them. 529 is far too much, and I can unfortunately DEFINITELY see this happening... How can they make the same stupid mistake again? Before anybody says "ohhh but 429", well ps3 had a 499 model, but all anybody talked about was 599 us dollars. Also the pay for online is horrible news as a sony fan, it's one of the main reasons I go playstation over xbox. Guess I was wrong to think sony had turned it around, but I'll wait and see.
 
SneakyStephan said:
This is the biggest corporate induced consumer guilt trip I've ever witnessed.
Incredible.

Really disgusting.
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How exactly do you expect Sony to survive? This isn't entirely about you. This is about a company surviving another console generation. If you haven't noticed, Sony has been beaten to hell over the last 5 years (in almost every possible thing they do as a company), and they're just now getting something restarted. If they can't turn a profit on the PS4 quickly, I don't see how they can make it through another generation. An easy way to ensure that income is to restructure your guidelines. It's a fresh start. People will bitch, but get over it. It happened with Microsoft when Sony announced free PSN. People still pay 7 years later, and you know what? Microsoft makes a killing on those subs.

TommyManberg said:
If this is what Gaf will be like when the PS4 is released I'm out.
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I was just a lurker for the last console introduction and man, it was great. It's some entertaining meltdowns. If you aren't willing to get your opinion torn into pieces, you just need to sit back and enjoy the show.
 
I won't believe any of this till I see it. Also this is kotaku right? The same place that said versus xiii was cancelled? I really doubt Sony would abandon PS+, one of their greatest services in recent years, for something that they pride that they don't do.
 
Sheroking said:
Few actually pay list price for cell phones though, they upgrade on the cheap with contract renewals. The ones who do are the equivalent of those who build thousand-plus dollar gaming PCs.

I don't see how anyone could reasonably expect less than $399 though. That's basically the market equivalent of $299 in 2001.
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Well I don't game on PC, but definitely never buy a subsidized phone anymore. Ironically, for the past 2 years Sony has been the only company that sells reasonably price mid-range smartphones unlocked. But now I've got the Nexus 4, directly from google....

hmmm, what is this thread about??

oh yeah, App for my nexus will allow me to que up my PS4 downloads? I'm all for it...

also, think Sony will keep gaming online free...but will offer just about every feature a gamer would want as PS+ package, including Voice Chat probably...

Still, it would satisfy mostly everyone that way, so I hope they can keep a free PSN.
 
Delusibeta said:
I'll have to admit, pretty much, yeah. They popularised the concept of DLC with Halo 2's map packs, they popularised patches for console games, they're the only company outside of a dwindling number of MMOs to charge for multiplayer and they're pretty much the reason why western developers left PCs en-mass in favour of consoles.

[Edit] Also, all those fucking adverts!
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LOL! This isn't true at all. Nice fanboy rage though.
 
Projectjustice said:
Actually, I think he makes a few good points. Gamers act like they should get everything for free. Never see such a group of people so against supporting a hobby they enjoy.
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Considering that we're probably headed for a market crash due to large amounts of hubris from all of the big companies, I can't exactly blame them.

[Edit] It's really easy to spot the Microsoft fanboys in this thread, when they deny that Microsoft popularised DLC, charging for multiplayer and the use of DirectX basically to lure developers away from PC.
 
There is a reason Sony hasn't officially announced any price points yet. This thread is an exact indication of feedback they oh so desperately need. Once the conference tomorrow is over, the internet's reaction to how "awesome" PS4 is, will either facilitate the higher price tag or institute the lower one. Either way, I expect a slightly premium price for the first year, and basic online to be free. The paywall will uncloak some neat features, but GAF needs to understand how terrible Sony is doing financially.

I just want everyone to be aware that Sony is very sensitive to any criticism leveraged. So if any outrageous price points are rumored, the negative feedback loop will eventually reach the people on top of the food chain. If you feel jilted, let it be heard.
 
I think most of GAF would pay those prices, but I doubt the mainstream audience will bite. I'm not saying it'll bomb at those prices, just that I would expect sales below many of GAF's expectations. There will be too much competition from the ever-growing tablet and cell phone markets in that release window.

Of course, I could be totally wrong.
 
What's the worst case scenario, realistically?

PS+ becomes the paywall for online. If it grandfathers in the freebie games, cloud saves, etc, it wouldn't be a complete train wreck, but it'd definitely raise the ire of some.

Having PS+ restrict Netflix/YouTube/web browsing would be a big slap to the face, though.
 
Bsigg12 said:
How exactly do you expect Sony to survive? This isn't entirely about you. This is about a company surviving another console generation. If you haven't noticed, Sony has been beaten to hell over the last 5 years, and they're just now getting something restarted. If they can't turn a profit on the PS4 quickly, I don't see how they can make it through another generation. An easy way to ensure that income is to restructure your guidelines. It's a fresh start. People will bitch, but get over it. It happened with Microsoft when Sony announced free PSN. People still pay 7 years later, and you know what? Microsoft makes a killing on those subs.
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Well, maybe -just maybe- I shouldn't throw money at a sinking ship making dumb decisions and putting themselves in the place they are in in hopes they'll learn they're lesson because I threw money at them.

I don't understand why it is the consumer's responsibility or obligation to pay or be pressured to pay a premium for them to provide a competitive service. UberTag's post reads like he's trying to sell me war bonds, and that doesn't sit right with me.
 
Delusibeta said:
Considering that we're probably headed for a market crash due to large amounts of hubris from all of the big companies, I can't exactly blame them.
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It isnt going to crash. The industry has changed and so has the global economy. The big 3 has to change the way they do business if they want to survive. If you dont like it, then dont buy it. No one is forcing you to.

upJTboogie said:
No they actually don't.
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Dam, amazing counter point!
 
I still cannot believe that we will learn about the prices tomorrow. It would be quite a surprise to get them so early before the launch. But what do I know...
 
enzo_gt said:
Well, maybe -just maybe- I shouldn't throw money at a sinking ship making dumb decisions and putting themselves in the place they are in in hopes they'll learn they're lesson because I threw money at them.

I don't understand why it is the consumer's responsibility or obligation to pay or be pressured to pay a premium for them to provide a competitive service. UberTag's post reads like he's trying to sell me war bonds, and that doesn't sit right with me.
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His post is sad, but it's not your responsibility or obligation to do anything and I don't think anyone has categorized it as a moral imperative. Just don't buy it. You were giving them 0, you will give them 0, and that's that. It's hard to voice your displeasure more vocally than by giving them $0. That is a big fat whappo.

I never understand all the consternation and indignation and commiseration and the other 'ations. Just seems like so many wasted cycles.
 
GopherD said:
Going to love tomorrow. Forward, back and then forward pedalling, gifs, meltdowns, jawdrops and maybe even a kotaku banning.
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I <3 you Goph, and we might have the same source, but I have not heard a single thing about price points being announced tomorrow. Am I wrong?
 
Bsigg12 said:
How exactly do you expect Sony to survive?
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It could stop burying its head in the sand over LG and Samsung, for a start. All the bravado about being a premium brand just hurts the company. You go into an electronics store and you see Sony stuff costing more than a Korean brand with fewer features and your mind is made up pretty quickly.

If Sony wants to dig itself out of the hole it made for itself, a good start is not releasing a flagship phone with last years specs and Gingerbread instead of Ice Cream Sandwich and then selling it as much as an iPhone.

Just for a start.
 
SneakyStephan said:
This is the biggest corporate induced consumer guilt trip I've ever witnessed.
Incredible.

Really disgusting.
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I take it you don't support a football team? I think most fans would be happy to see their season ticket price increase if they knew their team would have more success.

I want Sony to succeed. Partially because I've always enjoyed Sony consoles (including the PS3!) and games, and partially as their precess allows for needed competition. Giving MS a monopoly on gaming would be bad news for everyone.
 
This could be good. As long as the cheap model isn't gimped like the ps3 was. Seriously that 20gb model did more harm then good. Bigger hard drives pay for themselves. It's like virtual shell space.
 
Ugh, that price would absolutely terrible. I'm concerned that if the reaction to the PS4 is really good, Sony would get an ego boost and think it would be a good idea to release it at such a dumbass price like $429 / $529...

As long as online gameplay and basic online features remain free, that is alright. I just don't want them completely fucking over people like Xbox Live Gold does and putting Netflix access and stuff behind a paywall. That would be absolutely stupid and if they announce something like that tomorrow, I am going to be pissed.
 
thuway said:
There is a reason Sony hasn't officially announced any price points yet. This thread is an exact indication of feedback they oh so desperately need. Once the conference tomorrow is over, the internet's reaction to how "awesome" PS4 is, will either facilitate the higher price tag or institute the lower one. Either way, I expect a slightly premium price for the first year, and basic online to be free. The paywall will uncloak some neat features, but GAF needs to understand how terrible Sony is doing financially.

I just want everyone to be aware that Sony is very sensitive to any criticism leveraged. So if any outrageous price points are rumored, the negative feedback loop will eventually reach the people on top of the food chain. If you feel jilted, let it be heard.
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That method proved quite costly to the 3DS. I find it more likely that yields will determine price.
 
I don't want to pay $529, but I'm not going to flip out.. I'd be cool with a price point between $400 to $500.

And to those saying you can't compare cell phone prices because you can buy cell phones at 200 bucks, you're crazy. They are so cheap because they are subsidized and you are getting gauged by a contract on the other side. New cell phones are over 500 bucks. 500 home console is really not that big of a deal. Unless you want to pay 200 bucks for a console and pay 75-100 bucks a month for 2 years.....
 
Realistically how can Sony justify charging so much? They probably aren't using anything "new" or "revolutionary" to justify such a high price compared to the ps3 using Bluray and the cell processor. I just can't see the console costing more than 450 max.
 
Projectjustice said:
It isnt going to crash. The industry has changed and so has the global economy. The big 3 has to change the way they do business if they want to survive. If you dont like it, then dont buy it. No one is forcing you to.



Dam, amazing counter point!
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I should be able to get it for free because I can play the same exact game on PC online for free. Why would I pay for a version of game that doesn't allow me access to half it's features unless I pay more?

It'd be like if they made a new type of DVD player that only lets me watch half the movie unless I pay $50 a year to watch full movies.
 
upJTboogie said:
No they actually don't.
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Mature gamers don't...but I do think there's simply a lot of younger audiences riddled into this hobby and they are unfortunately LOUD. The DMC fiasco, the outcry against DLC instead of just not buying it. The PS3 ridicule and spitting instead of again, just not buying it. Other industry have there share of ridiculousness, (ever saw a discussion on Rotten tomato where critics/users don't agree?) but an industry that's still considered by many to be a "childish" past time doesn't benefit from the very vocal "entitlement" group, even if that is the minority.
 
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