how much does it afflict you that next-gen (3DS/VITA/WIIU) is struggling so much?

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I am assuming nobody here cries or gets depressed over this but being quite honest, it annoys me and pisses me off that this starting generation is like a shadow of the one ending and it sort of hinders my overall enjoyment.

There could be an argument about how we are just at an early stage of it and time will put everything in its place but damn, the current landscape sucks.

hardware may be getting more powerful but many factors considered, aka product identity, quality and quantity of software, innovation proposal and barring a couple of mistakes like 360's RROD, I think each member of the fav five DS-PSP-WII-360-PS3 blew its predecessor handily out of the water (minus PSP of course and possibly with the exception of PS3).

720 and PS4 could save the party... but since those will be very high-end products with rather slow adoption rates, I think the next 2 or 3 years will be a barren wasteland with devs hesitating to jump in, moderate to miserable hardware sales and overall very small enthusiasm and excitement...that's neither inviting nor hype inducing. I hope I am wrong and that E3 and Q4 2013 indicate that next-gen is worth watching over.

when I think of this, all of a sudden the thought of digging old PS2 or DS games I may have missed sounds like a better idea than to get excited over products that won't deliver the way I need them to and NO, I don't mean I don't enjoy a console's games because the hardware doesn't sell, but because hardware doesn't sell, the product itself appears to be in a comma-like vegetative state with few releases and little to look forward to.

how does everyone else feel?
 
Despite 3DS is still actually having some difficulties especially in US (but it has a big lineup saleswise incoming, so...), it seems quite exaggerated to put it in the same category of Vita and Wii U right now, just saying.
 
Since 2006, economical crisis happened.
PS4/Xbox 3 will struggle too, maybe not that much, but people aren't willing to spend $60 per game and $400 per console that easily anymore.
 
73V3N said:
And those will struggle even worse.
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Why do you think so? I feel it's pretty clear that Nintendo never managed to create any kind of meaningful talk about their new current generation offering - meanwhile, even non-gamer people I know are asking about the next gen system PS4.
 
Industry contraction was inevitable. My only fear is that, as publicly traded companies, they adhere to the pressure to explore the greener pastures of mobile and tablet stuff at the expense of the quality of the games.
 
Plinko said:
Those will probably struggle next year, too.
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Like every console struggles a bit post-launch-window? Yeah.

Like Vita, Wii U and to a lesser extent the 3DS struggle for being fundamentally poor value propositions to the consumer? Probably not.
 
I love my 3DS and Vita, and it seems at least the 3DS is healthy (with Vita showing some signs of life with a price cut and new games in JP).

So for me, it have been fine, I have a ton of games I want to play on each.
 
73V3N said:
And those will struggle even worse.
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There is not a chance in hell of them struggling -worse-

Consumers have little interest (and the little there is continues to decrease) in the dedicated handheld market and have no interest investing into a not really next-gen console. They might struggle due to various factors but theres actually demand here unlike the case for 2 of the systems mentioned in the OP.
 
3DS struggling? Lol.

Vita is a 300 dollar device without $1 games in an era of $200(contracted) smart phones with $1 games.

Wii U is a piece of hardware more or less equivalent to the current generation without a gimmick for casuals a la Wii Sports and without a reason for core consumers to buy it.

Both of them have had terrible advertising.

The 3DS is doing very well now, and the PS4/720 won't have any issues selling.
 
I think the op meant that the 3ds started off struggling before it finally picked up. It seems like just yesterday the 3ds was $250 and was "doomed" in the face of the upcoming Vita. Honestly I am expecting the next Xbox and ps4 to start off struggling as well.
 
TriangularDuck said:
3DS is absolutely not struggling, video game "analysts" are basically the world's worst people.
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I'm sorry to tell you this, but the 3DS isn't doing all that great - as is evidenced by the continuing sales decline in most markets as well as the lack of meaningful support by major publishers.

Sheroking said:
I could see the PS4/720 struggling in the sense that some people consider the 3DS to be "struggling".

The days of 70 million install bases are over, IMO.
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Considering current generation consoles are the ones to achieve such high install bases in a post-smartphone world this is dubious.
 
darkside31337 said:
There is not a chance in hell of them struggling -worse-

Consumers have little interest (and the little there is continues to decrease) in the dedicated handheld market and have no interest investing into a not really next-gen console. They might struggle due to various factors but theres actually demand here unlike the case for 2 of the systems mentioned in the OP.
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Do you realize how silly you sound? The Wii was "not really a next-gen console" and consumers had a lot of interest in it.
 
Next gen hasn't started yet though. But it does bother me that Vita is doing so bad when it's such a perfectly designed system.

73V3N said:
And those will struggle even worse.
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Really? PS4 and 720 are going to do 55k and less? Highly doubt it. Sounds like you're just doing some wishful thinking.
 
you're pointing at a very important issue that a lot of fanboys forget to talk about.

The last 3 launches have been meh at best.
I guess people do not see the need for a change now. For most people, the graphics are still good, they have their communities on their consoles.
Also mobile phone and tablet gaming. People just playing time to time or non player parents buying video games devices for their children nox don't understand the price of retail games.
Iwata was right. For my mother, there is no difference between doodle jump and a mario game. So why paying 40 euros?
I really think that PS4 won't be a storm. Lessons from the vita have to be taken. Ok it is not the same market, but look at the vita in Japan, which is now a handheld market.
The next box I don't know. But it will rely on marketing. And on the Price. The price is now far more important than 6 years ago. Economic crisis and all that.
 
73V3N said:
You really think Wii U is struggling because of 3rd party support A.K.A games that are also available on other consoles?
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The Wii U is struggling cause it's releasing 7 years too late when the other 2 companies are releasing new consoles this year. It also had abysmal advertising.

Stop trying to blame it on the economy. Consumers just aren't stupid.
 
netBuff said:
I'm sorry to tell you this, but the 3DS isn't doing all that great - as is evidenced by the continuing sales decline in most markets as well as the lack of meaningful support by major publishers alone.



Considering current generation consoles are the ones to achieve such high install bases in a post-smartphone world this is dubious.
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"meaningful support by major publishers alone" I guess you mean western support? Western publishers have never really "meaningfully supported" handhelds. They haven't for years. The support has come from Japan. I don't understand how people have such a skewed view of the world that really doesn't lineup with reality.
 
OP you should inform yourself a bit more, 3DS is doing fine.

Plinko said:
Those will probably struggle next year, too.
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I agree. Price but also the high probability of an extented cross-gen strategy will lead to a slow adoption rate. Especially with the missing backwards-compatibility like PSP-PSV there won´t be a lot of incentives besides for the most loyal fans, while hightech-nerds will bet on more capable PC-hardware anyway.
 
Gannd said:
"meaningful support by major publishers alone" I guess you mean western support? Western publishers have never really "meaningfully supported" handhelds. They haven't for years. The support has come from Japan. I don't understand how people have such a skewed view of the world that really doesn't lineup with reality.
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I mean, really, what "meaningful support" from Western publishers did the DS, Gameboy Advance or even the Gameboy Color have?
 
Metalmurphy said:
The Wii U is struggling cause it's releasing 7 years too late when the other 2 companies are releasing new consoles this year. It also had abysmal advertising.

Stop trying to blame it on the economy. Consumers just aren't stupid.
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Explain the Wii please.
 
Mpl90 said:
Despite 3DS is still actually having some difficulties especially in US (but it has a big lineup saleswise incoming, so...), it seems quite exaggerated to put it in the same category of Vita and Wii U right now, just saying.
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but the 3DS is nowhere near the level of a Nintendo DS, not in any aspect of their existences

putting software aside, an area where the DS clearly crushes 3DS, the nintendo DS was like a never before seen piece of hardware that could do stuff no other hardware could, it blew the gameboy advance out of the water and its product proposal was strong enough to compete against the PSP and even won. All of this being cheap and accesible and nice looking.

3DS on its own is o.k, maybe even very good but compared to DS, it's just a mere shadow, lets not kid ourselves. It is definitely not in the vita/wiiu situation but meaning it will decently survive through out the generation doesn't not mean it's doing very well.

and again, sales is a factor but as a gamer, my annoyance comes from the lack of industry support, 3DS game shelves are tiny and barren compared to DS 2006-7.

Karsticles said:
The 3DS is shaping up to be on par with the DS, and that's a great thing.
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this is insanity.

as already said, not even close.
 
Lumping together all hardware created in the previous 3 years and the next two as "next gen" is pretty absurd, as is the idea that they are all failures.

Yeah, the Vita did bad. But the new gen Ipad, Iphone 5, and 3DS have all enjoyed sucess.

Yes, the Wii U has performed abysmallly, but the idea that you can automatically conclude the new Sony and MS systems will perform poorly as well just because Nintendo's did is flawed logic at best.

I am suspicious that this thread and the OP is just attempting a covert way of taking the responsibility off Nintendo for shitting the bed with Wii U. Nintendo did a terrible job with the Wii U all around from conception, to marketing, to software thus far. But the onus is on them. There isn't some industry wide trend that is responsible for the Wii U's failure thus far. Nintendo is solely and totally responsible.
 
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