zeopower6
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I never said that...
PlayStation Vita Sales See Massive Spike in Japan (nearly six times increase)
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I never said that...
test_account
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That isnt saying much unfortunately. I'm sure that Nintendo will have more games indeed, but are those enough to move hardware for a longer period of time?
Sure, i didnt mean to say that there wont be more Nintendo games, i'm thinking more about how long it will be between the games, and also how big of a sales potential they will have to move hardware. We'll probably have Mario Kart this year, next year might be Smash Bros and Mario 3D, and Zelda in 2015. Concidering that 3rd party support seems to be pretty much absent at this point (i think it will be a bit better though), are those games enough to keep the hardware selling at a nice pace?
It's not like Super Mario Bros and similar games are exclusive to 3DS, you can also play it on DS, and Wii U,Gameboy, etc.
Toukiden, is a new IP from the Dynasty Warriors studio, coming summer 2013. I'd think that'd be rather big Vita-game in Japan, even tough it's also cpming to PSP.
Gundam Breaker, God Eater 2, and Eiyuu Densetsu: Sen no Kiseki, also figured prominently on the last Vita-stream from SCEJ, dunno much about the last Manga-property, but the first two games are pretty popular amongst people who like Japaneese games.
We'll not see much news until TGS for the fall-releases, for either 3DS or PSV.
However we know Final Fantasy X HD, is also coming to Vita, that will probably sell a few copies.
When legitimate negativity about the Vita and its prospects gets dismissed as "doom and gloom" for the 2923rd time, it's tough not to take that as the implication.
Talking about Vita or 3DS?
Sure, because Nintendo titles actually sell systems, unlike anything Sony has outside of Gran Turismo. I'm not exactly sure why they're so damn scared at putting a mainline title on a handheld, but Nintendo will definitely support the Wii U with their top teams. And we still don't know the full story of third-party support, since they said they'll be announcing more partnerships at GDC. While I'm not optimistic, it'll do fine.
That's not even remotely the same thing, and you know that. The fact of the matter is, you can pretty much get all of those games on other systems that people already own. They're not going to do that much for the Vita.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Way to not even read what he wrote. His post said exactly that!
Father_Brain
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How is PS4 supposed to move Vitas? Very few people will be eager to buy a $200 (assuming a Western price cut by PS4 launch) accessory for a $400 console, and even if PS4 remote play works at all over the Internet, its physical requirements make it less than a natural fit for a handheld device.
The operative word is "exclusive". Thus far the bigger multiplatform games that have launched simultaneously on other platforms have not fared well on Vita (Little Battlers and AKB come to mind most recently).
There is evidence to support a conclusion that it will never recover and it is inane to dismiss that as "hateful" "doom and gloom."
Pachterballs
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tearaway by media molecule.
test_account
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That is true, but i think this brings up an interesting point actually. It would also mean that the Vita negativity (even if it is legitimate) has been pointed out 2923 times as well. How many times will it be pointed out that the Vita is not selling well? (this aslo applies to all system that isnt selling well for that matter).
WiiU
In Japan specifically, there havnt been too many 3rd party games out for the WiiU yet. But hopefully it will improve.I hope you're right. I hope for Nintendo's sake that the WiiU sales will pick up soon. And i agree that the 3rd party situation will probably improve. If not at GDC, maybe at least at E3 or Tokyo Game Show.
I think so. I expect Wii U sales will be decent or better as soon as the heavy hitters start releasing. Advertising will be a huge factor though.
but regardless, we're off topic. Wii U is in a completely different situation than Vita at the moment.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Good to see. Don't know if it's only temporary but it's a good sign.
This proves that a price drop and good games will sell it. More Japanese support will = to hopefully more localized games. It could carve a nice niche in the west like the PSP. That's all I ask for.
This proves that a price drop and good games will sell it. More Japanese support will = to hopefully more localized games. It could carve a nice niche in the west like the PSP. That's all I ask for.
Father_Brain
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Besides the blatant "wait for Vita Heaven/E3/Gamescom/TGS" goalpost-moving here, are you saying that fall releases won't be announced until the fall? Huh?
game looks fantastic to me and it might review well, but it doesn't look like a system seller. and past experience with Vita games that use the rear touch pad make it very clear that the touch gimmicks in tearaway will be an issue.
test_account
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I hope you're right about the WiiU situation. We will probably be able to tell better once Mario Kart is released (that seems to be the first really big hitter for the WiiU).
knighthonor
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What cause Vita sells to increase?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
He said stating it would probably not recover is "not hate". In that very post!
I agree with what you said but I can only assume he's talking about how the exact same posters come into every single Vita thread to make sure no one misses the fact that It is doing poorly. How many times does it need to be stated? I really couldn't give a shit if it fails and I own one.
If you don't want discussion of how the Vita is doing poorly then maybe stay out of a Vita sales thread? It's not rocket science.
WiiU
I see. Sorry, somehow missread it.
Senran Kagura + price drop + slow week to be honest.
I don't think it was a slow week. Everything seems to have gone up, even if it is statistical noise. There were also many new releases. I think it is an average week.
I'm pretty sure it is WW HD, Mario Kart, and 3D Mario. Along with Smash Bros which we know for sure is NOT coming out this year.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Thanks, genius.
I'm talking about trash posts like "Vita's dead, let it go" and the general trend of posting in every Vita thread, not just this one.
Mario Kart and 3D Mario will be shown at E3, one might release this year. Wii Fit U could still be a thing, and Retro's game can't be too far off. and they might not be heavy hitters, but Pikmin 3, Yoshi, Wonderful 101, Monster Hunter, Lego City Undercover etc are coming this year.
ArtHands
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Most probably a temporary one. As pointed out, this spike is due to price cut, phantasy star online 2 AND senra kagura spinoff. This is vita's biggest weeks since hatsune miku/persona 4 release.
Its momentum will slide down a little bit for the next few weeks with soul sacrifice and tales remake, follow by a larger slide after this month.
You make it seem like there are lots of posters doing that in this thread, but there aren't. In the first (2) page, I only see two posts coming off like that. Not going to say there aren't more posts in the later pages, but I don't think this thread is like the other ones and has many people happy about the Vita's current sales.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49199505&postcount=4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49199343&postcount=2
metalslimer
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The generalization when people feel their system of choice being attacked is to jump and claim that people are extremely happy about the affair. People have become so emotionally invested in video game consoles it's almost scary to watch how some people will actually believe there is mass hatred conspiracy when people make fun of failing pieces of electronics all the time. Neither Vita, Wii U, kin, blackberries, etc. should be exempt. Being very pessimistic might not make for good discussion about something, but it's completely ludicrous to claim that pessimism stems from people wanting a device to fail.
There aren't many people on neogaf that are exempt from this behavior. I'd rather it be in your face than that subtle burn.
BronsonLee
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RE: This, coming from my unreliable memory, I can place a whole hell of a lot of people here that show up in every Vita thread and either doombring or white knight, just from their position and their avatar. And I rarely even read them. They stick out.
IT'S THE CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS
It's 50k times larger, HEYO!
I'm genuinely surprised that everyone jumped on the bait
Well did you read their posts in this thread?
You wouldn't know what they are saying in this thread. Would you name names and link to posts? That makes for a far credible evidence than just stating it.
CosmicQueso
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That's the bet Sony is making. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. And you don't know more than anyone else what the price of the console will be or what kind of price cuts might be offered or what additional features may be added to make the PS4-Vita thing attractive. And clearly, people have no problem spending $1,000+ on tech they like, so your "very few" comment is off as well.
One week of increased sales in Japan due to a price cut doesn't mean this thing is the second coming of the NDS. But like I said, your burial party of the Vita is really going to have to wait a couple years at least.
usually when people are being very pessimistic about vita, they are also thinking how Wii U will bring it next holidays. it is pretty hard to find someone completely impartial in sales threads.
I doubt that any console warrior thinks there is "mass conspiracy", thats simply dumb. Masses will buy or not buy something and not care if it failed or not... Masses is not few posters on gaf.
But do people like doom and gloom and bomba! threads no matter what about? yes. this is probably only industry in the world that will extinguish itself. Level of self destruction found in gaming media of any kind cant be found anywhere else.
If 720 and PS4 fail, I fully expect gaming media will gloat about it, not understanding that ultimately, it is their doom also.
BronsonLee
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Well did you read their posts in this thread?
You wouldn't know what they are saying in this thread. Would you name names and link to posts? That makes for a far credible evidence than just stating it.
No, I forgot how to read
Sure, why not. I'm having Vietnam flashbacks vis a vis this vs the Vita Heaven 2 thread anyway.
You I recognize. Metalslimer too. Wynnebeck and a few others as well. This is normal though. If I go into a PCGaf thread, I can expect to see some people there too. Same with a Media Create thread.
iLLmaticV3
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Pretty good PSO2 sales, considering its free-to-play. I'm really interested to see if Soul Sacrfice gives Vita a bigger sales boost than P4G.
Father_Brain
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Vita clearly isn't tech consumers like, though.
Okay, let's say there's a $300 PS4 SKU at launch. Still $500 for hardware alone. I don't think I'm going far out on a limb to question how many people would be willing to pay that much.
Lord Ghirahim
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62.5k units is not a positive thing, unless the price cut went completely unadvertised.
That's not what the post you quoted says.
I mean those who bring doom and gloom and such and use their posts in this thread as an example. I'm mainly talking about this one, since I think this thread has been one of the better Vita threads since there isn't as much doom and gloom.
I know I sure as hell didn't post that way in the Vita Heaven 2 thread or in any thread. Metalslimer is someone who is one of the regular Sales-Age posters. I think the reason why people jump on him is because of his assertive opinions, but I think he is unbiased. Wynneback definitely doesn't do that.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I haven't even said people are happy about it failing! How does saying 'the same people are always saying the same shit' amount to me believing in a conspiracy?
I've made it clear my thoughts on the Vita and how/why it was even released in the first place, as much as I enjoy it. And I wasn't really referring to this thread as much as others - but like I said you'd be blind to not see the general negativity about the Vita on here.
BronsonLee
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I talked about notable Vita posters, not just doombringers. I said I recognized you, I never said why. I also left out a good chunk of people. It's really more of the same, in terms of a Vita thread. This dance has been done before.
Anecdotal, but all of this Wal-Mart's Vita shelf space was either hidden on the back wall or next to old DS accessories and bargain bin PS3 games.
GhostOfLawlight
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As the Vita userbase increases, so will software sales, which means more software support.
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