VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)

GhaleonEB said:
Each one of those things alone doesn't bother me that much. My 360 is always connected (when it's on), I install most games as the HDD space is ample. Kinect just sits there for the most part. But put them together and...
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That's not really the issue. I'm sure everyone's PC was connected to the internet when trying to play Diablo III or SimCity. It's not *your* internet connection that's the issues, it's the availability of the servers you have to authenticate with / connect to that are.

While Live has been far more robust than PSN over the years, it's not bullet proof, and still has scheduled maintenance times (which always favour the US, so in my timezone, are the hours I can play games).

Angelus Errare said:
And we know this how? Neither MS nor Sony have had their E3 conference but yet everyone in this thread knows exactly what Sony and MS are doing.

You guys are a trip.
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Mandatory installs for the PS4 was never rumoured (as far as I know). Nor was it mentioned after the PS4 was announced.

The requirement for mandatory installs has been rumoured for the Durango by multiple sources, and this XDK leak just adds more reason to beleive it's true.
 
WordAssassin said:
Uh, yes it does. Both the Basic and Deluxe systems come with sensor bars. Are you crazy?
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Depends on your country mate. Some basics do not.

As for the rest? This is steam on a console. If not with a partnership with valve, it is by design. The halo games are all coming to steam, the 720 will adopt exactly the same model.

Buy a game, install from disc, activate your code online. There will no doubt be an offline mode of some sorts once activated.
 
strata said:
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OMG SONY PATENTED THIS SO OBVIOUSLY THEY PLAN TO IMPLEMENT IT

God.
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Sure, I do not say that they will implement it. But they are obviously thinking about it and the Kinect only state is making sure they can make it happen.
 
I will be very surprised after being rumored by different sources that 720 won't be always online.

Thank god PS4 isn't that way.
 
PAULINK said:
All games install? Dear god what has bluray done? They better make these hard drives HUGE
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Not really. Taking into account both the small PC games and huge PC games you aren't looking at full BR sized games yet. Not even close. The overall size of the medium is massive, games don't use it yet though.
 
Even if the system is designed around being 'always connected' I find it really hard to believe they won't include the ability to play games/movies offline. Beside neglecting a significently market it just seems like a PR disaster waiting to happen, there's no way they can make it through a console an entire generation like this without having server trouble at some point. EA has server problems, you can't play SimCity. Microsoft has server problems, your whole system becomes a giant paperweight. It's insanity!
 
As always, execution is key.

If it flows well and provides a desirable service (iOS), it'll do well.

If it's klunky and painful (Windows 8 style), it'll get a bad rep.
 
"Whatever it is, Sony is not forcing you to do"
I don't know guys, there is a lot of grey in this document, and still a lot of grey for the PS4 - it feels kinda premature to say such thing, but whatever.
 
Like I said Edge had good information. What I wonder is how your average consumer will react to all this. Initially I thought they might not care, but after the whole Sim City incident recently I'm not so sure any more. It's possible Microsoft will change their minds on some aspects before release after seeing that. Maybe they just don't care though and believe they will get by fine anyway.
 
BlastProcessing said:
The reason that people are freaking is that every Durango rumor (including this one) reinforces the negative "no used games" rumor.
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No it doesn't. People are just assuming the worst. This could just as easily mean things operate the exact same way they do now, except with background stuff (patches, DLs, etc) going on in a suspend state, no different than what the PS4 is capable of. "Always online" or "always connected" are buzzwords and feature selling points, not stated requirements to play a game. The language here is hazy at best. Those freaking out aren't actually thinking about this thoroughly.
 
SPE said:
That's not really the issue. I'm sure everyone's PC was connected to the internet when trying to play Diablo III or SimCity. It's not *your* internet connection that's the issues, it's the availability of the servers you have to authenticate with / connect to that are.

While Live has been far more robust than PSN over the years, it's not bullet proof, and still has scheduled maintenance times (which always favour the US, so in my timezone, are the hours I can play games).
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Where does it say that you can't use the system without an Internet connection? Where does it say that games won't play at all if Live goes down?

d0c_zaius said:
why the F would you deny playing straight off of discs?
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Why do some PS3 games have forced installs?
 
Rubius said:
Sure, I do not say that they will implement it. But they are obviously thinking about it and the Kinect only state is making sure they can make it happen.
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Sure, I do not say that they will implement it. But they are obviously thinking about it and the Sony dual-cams is making sure they can make it happen.

say "Mcdonalds"
 
WordAssassin said:
Uh, yes it does. Both the Basic and Deluxe systems come with sensor bars. Are you crazy?
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And anyway, the sensor bar is nothing but two infrared LED.
You could replace the sensor bar with two candles that it would do the same exact thing. The camera is in the wiimote.
statham said:
Sure, I do not say that they will implement it. But they are obviously thinking about it and the Sony dual-cams is making sure they can make it happen.

say "Mcdonalds"
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Except that the Ps4 do not come with the dual cam and is not mandatory to run the system. The kinect is.
Harveys.
 
Confidence Man said:
How will your games be authenticated? It says discs are only used for distribution. It could be implied that they'll also be used to authenticate, but the wording makes it sound like you won't need them to be in the drive. Which means either online authentication or kinect authentication, which might make some sense out of the requirement for kinect to be plugged in for the console to work.
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Kinect authentication? So, if you want to play your game at a friend's house, you don't take your console with you, just bring your Kinect?
 
Karak said:
Not really. Taking into account both the small PC games and huge PC games you aren't looking at full BR sized games yet. Not even close. The overall size of the medium is massive, games don't use it yet though.
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It is telling that Microsoft and Sony seem to be going with 50 GB Blu Ray drives and not the 100 GB ones. They must have had assurances from developers that 50 GB will be more than enough for next gen games.
 
as a supporter of legitimate physical media i disapprove.

the end shall come, but not by my hand. probably won't be buying this if physical works are pushed to drm/install purposes only.

i don't care if pc does it, my precious console experience :(
 
Karak said:
Connected + the word always and + maintain are not the same as required. And as a technical document the expectation is that if its required it would state required...like the other required bits it mentions.
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Thank you.

I have been saying it since page bloody 3. The faked outrage in this thread is tiresome.
 
Raist said:
IIRC it was the same. People just interpreted it as the above. I mean, that would be suicide. MS can't expect every single owner to have an internet connection.
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It sounds bad, but other credible publications have said the same thing about a required connection.
 
Well, if this is true, which it looks like it will be, then they made my decision this fall/winter much easier. I don't even give a shit about the kinect thing. But it's like they're doing everything they can to sabotage the launch of their next console. It's amazing to watch.
 
Kun Aguero said:
Isn't that what always connected is? No connection, no play?
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No where does it say that. It says:


"Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current. With this "Always On, Always Connected" design, users will quickly and easily enjoy their connected entertainment experiences, with no waiting for the console to restart or install updates."
 
Biggzy said:
It is telling that Microsoft and Sony seem to be going with 50 GB Blu Ray drives and not the 100 GB ones. They must have had assurances from developers that 50 GB will be more than enough for next gen games.
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It is indeed. Even with ultra high res textures, or lets just say me modding the living shit out of Skyrim you aren't getting to 50gb's. Though I admit I am at like 27:)

Dev laziness COULD bloat a game for sure. If they don't use any real storage control. But 50 is insane. Looking through my modded games with most running 4096k textures and so forth. None are over 30. NOW add in say 4-5 years of lifespan sure probably.

And get rid of fucking BIK movies for shit sakes devs.
 
Karak said:
My take.

Will it require an always connected to the Internet state?
No.

Will it be able to have an always on connection to the network at your home for sharing media instantly as you move from one room to another. Say from your tv to your PC back to your tv. Will you be able to control downloads from your online dash and so forth like the 360 but with a better interface and include things like movies and so forth.
Yes.

It is actually somewhat of a big deal if it IS always on and always connected. In a good way, for the various reasons people mentioned with updates and so forth. But not required.

Kinect + the word required

Connected + the word always and + maintain are not the same as required. And as a technical document the expectation is that if its required it would state required...like the other required bits it mentions.
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Very good points indeed.
 
Karak said:
Not really. Taking into account both the small PC games and huge PC games you aren't looking at full BR sized games yet. Not even close. The overall size of the medium is massive, games don't use it yet though.
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That is true, I am still baffled that skyrim was only like 3.7 gigs on disc. But Look at games like uncharted 3 or MGS 4, those games are close to 50 gigs. I hope this is not going to be a standard.
 
surly said:
Where does it say that you can't use the system without an Internet connection? Where does it say that games won't play at all if Live goes down?
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Mandatory, always online (aka, no offline mode) has been a persistent rumour for the Durango. The wording in this help file, while potentially ambiguous, seems to confirm it. It might not be the case, but the growing rumours and leaks are pointing to it being true.

EDGE said:
Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function
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http://www.edge-online.com/news/the...hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/

http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-durango-always-online-forget-the-second-hand-games-and-new-kinect/

Online might just be needed to initial authorisation and registering the retail game. But MS have past history with this. For a long time before they provided the tools to transfer your licences. if you had a RRoD console replaced, you had to be online to play your XBLA games. Offline, and games wouldn't start.
 
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