VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)

i actually have had a hunch throughout that the durango games shown april 26 will look better than what was shown on ps4 (well, kz4 was the only real confirmed ps4 gameplay i think)

that doesnt mean it's more powerful, but i expect durango software to be in a state of higher polish.

superdae said something like the durango games he's played are smoother than ps4 ones. i suspect thats why.

They will have had a few more months of polish and could be running on final hardware so that may happen, at least for the initial showing. It'll be their counter to the PS4 reveal too.

E3's gonna be nuts when both of them are going at it side by side.
 
Well, we know the EyeToy is going to be used to do a lot of the same things Kinect is doing re: THE OS, so it seems pretty essential in a lot of ways. But Sony seems to be taking the "oh you can do this too, but you don't have to" approach to designing their system, where Microsoft so far seems to be designing things with the "fuck you, you're going to do it and like it" approach, so I'm crossing my fingers I can toss EyeToy in the garbage the second I get my Ps4.



I don't find the continued ruination of the industry too amusing, Router. :(

The only solace I take is that the Kinect fad has already come and gone, its horrific library speaks for itself, and like Wii U there's no new factor and it won't sell systems. So I hope, if Microsoft goes this route, they flop as hard as Wii U.

That said, they'll probably try to buy their way to victory with another $500 million dollar marketing campaign and send their army of mindless low standard know nothings to defend their shitty tech on forums and on game journalist websites and we'll be stuck with another gen of developers shoehorning their unrefined gimmicks into every bulletpointed, focus and boardroom tested, MODERN AAA disaster game that exists.

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Flawless...
 
I don't see how this makes it cheaper.

that doesnt, but the cost is probably nominal, as things like camera tech are always increasing.

the motor is supposedly gone, as now the camera has a wide enough fov to not require tilt. that should be a large savings of the most difficult to reduce part.
 
Installing games is great, optional installing should be required for all games.Forced installs should not. Yes it improves game performance, but sometimes I just want to play a game without having to wait for such a thing or I have filled my hard drive and don't want to delete things just to play it.

Are you seriously telling me you're going to buy a PS4 and not leave it connected to the internet? All is fake outrage is so obvious. PS4 has the same always on/always connected capabilities.....but you're not going to use it. Sure.

For posts like this, not specifically to just you fillup.

I used to serve, and I have friends currently serving a tour on-board a ship in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. To unwind, relax, have fun, people play video games. Tell me how useful will always on/always connected be to them? How playable will a system be, the fears presented here, when they have no ability to connect to XBLA or PSN/SEN at all? How fake will outrage be if I'm called back into service and I can't play the games I want to be because Microsoft demands a connection?

What about my friend who lives only 10km away from the headquarters of Microsoft, yet has no internet at his house because such services were never installed in the specific area he lives? How fake is that outrage at the fears this thread is presenting? He was quite mad he couldn't play the Catwoman missions in Arkham City without having to take his entire system over to another friend's house, so why wouldn't he be outraged at what this is all about? Sure you can be utterly dismissive about him and his problems, but even though living within biking distance of where they are creating the software for the next system, he's not going to be able to play it if again, the fears of this thread are valid.

Why is it such an outrage to expect periods of time where our internet goes down or Microsoft's server's go down. It's happened to all of us before. Again to the fears of this thread, will you honestly be okay if you buy a brand new game and can't play it because of an outage? How fun do you think Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 was for people during the PSN outage?

How exciting and interesting would it be for those who actually do replay games in the future when XBLA and PSN/SEN go down? I have my Playstation 1 plugged in right now because I needed to use a Guncon. How fake would my outrage be if after years of tracking down Elemental Gearbolt, that I couldn't play it because my system is waiting for "authentication"? I don't want that now with a present game, much less one that just happens to be old.

What if a kid who doesn't read such websites, and again the fears are true, takes his favourite brand new game he just bought on disc, and it won't work on his friend's system? That kid won't like it, even if some gamers never share their games and it doesn't matter to them.

I don't care if we are talking about the a Xbox, a Playstation, a Wii U, a Phantom, or a brand new amazing for everything it can do Dreamcast 2, it's the core issues and fears people have that is the concern and deciding factor over whether or not I buy a console.
Yes I have my PS3 and Wii U and Xbox 360 connected right now and they can use internet service whenever I want. It's great when I have that option, but it's best that I don't have to connect to a service or when EA's servers go down or the Ethernet cable is unplugged on accident, I can still bloody play my games and that is quite important to me.

If you are always connected, have no fears of ever losing connection, and this will not affect you at all that is great. People just shouldn't be so utterly dismissive to those who will be if again, the fears are true.
 
Ugh, I had expected it to come with a Kinect, but for it to be plugged in order to use the damn thing turns me off from it.
 
The only solace I take is that the Kinect fad has already come and gone, its horrific library speaks for itself, and like Wii there's no new factor and it won't sell systems. So I hope, if Microsoft goes this route, they flop as hard as Wii U.

That said, they'll probably try to buy their way to victory with another $500 million dollar marketing campaign and send their army of mindless low standard know nothings to defend their shitty tech on forums and on game journalist websites and we'll be stuck with another gen of developers shoehorning their unrefined gimmicks into every bulletpointed, focus and boardroom tested, MODERN AAA disaster game that exists.

The positioning of Kinect 2.0 in the marketplace absolutely baffles me.

For one, I agree that the Kinect fad has basically dwindled out like a sparkler.

Additionally, I don't see the path to upgrade for Kinect 2.0.

- For the people who had a Kinect (and probably played it for one or more games then threw it in the closet --- because god knows the software doesn't sell shit) why do they need/want Kinect 2.0? Reports seem to indicate that it will just be an enhanced version of the current technology in the Kinect 1.0, an evolution but not a revolutionary leap.

- And the core market doesn't give a damn about it.

I just don't see how Kinect 2.0 competes favorably with the current Kinect.
 
The only solace I take is that the Kinect fad has already come and gone, its horrific library speaks for itself, and like Wii U there's no new factor and it won't sell systems. So I hope, if Microsoft goes this route, they flop as hard as Wii U.

That said, they'll probably try to buy their way to victory with another $500 million dollar marketing campaign and send their army of mindless low standard know nothings to defend their shitty tech on forums and on game journalist websites and we'll be stuck with another gen of developers shoehorning their unrefined gimmicks into every bulletpointed, focus and boardroom tested, MODERN AAA disaster game that exists.

I imagined you typing this with a glass of whiskey close by on some dilapidated typewriter...that's somehow connected to the internet.
 
Why would he have had access to Durango games let alone PS4 games; he didn't even physically have devkits for Durango.

he hacked into valve and epic for two that i recall, that likely had multiplatform next gen game builds on their servers. it does stretch credibility a bit, but seems slightly possible.

it's worth noting he never said durango games had better graphics like sensationalists would imply. he said they seem smoother or something like that. which would have been very early software in a rough state at that.

As aforementioned Superdae is full of creamy shit.

sure. but he also has some nuggets of truth, that much is pretty confirmed.
 
So always online required, Installs requires, Kinect required. Well thank you MS you have made my choice for me.

I will not be buying the 720 without a doubt now.
 
The positioning of Kinect 2.0 in the marketplace absolutely baffles me.

For one, I agree that the Kinect fad has basically dwindled out like a sparkler.

Additionally, I don't see the path to upgrade for Kinect 2.0.

- For the people who had a Kinect (and probably played it for one or more games then threw it in the closet --- because god knows the software doesn't sell shit) why do they need/want Kinect 2.0? Reports seem to indicate that it will just be an enhanced version of the current technology in the Kinect 1.0, an evolution but not a revolutionary leap.

- And the core market doesn't give a damn about it.

I just don't see how Kinect 2.0 competes favorably with the current Kinect.

I mean I understand why they're doing it. The Kinect single handedly allowed Microsoft to explode to a level of success that was fairly unprecedented for them, and they think they can duplicate it by making it the central focus of a platform.

It just sucks for gamers is all. Putting that Kinect in when they can use the money spent on including one with every system on enhancing aspects of the console that actually fucking matter, ya know?

FuturusX said:
I imagined you typing this with a glass of whiskey close by on some dilapidated typewriter...that's somehow connected to the internet.

Naw, I don't really drink anymore. NA meetings says it's just one gateway away from going back to my old life... I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but it seems to be working so far so I'm sticking to it :(

But I am so keeping this dilapidated typewriter that's always connected to the internet!
 
They could announce Xbox will eat your children and there would be people on here talking about the importance of population control. Amazing.
Alternatively they could announce the new Xbox would do your homework and give you oral and people would complain that it's ruining work ethic and unhealthily promoting mechanophilia.
 
Wow, I thought it was going to be tough to choose which system to go with this holiday. You just made my decision a hundred times easier, thanks Microsoft :)
 
I mean I understand why they're doing it. The Kinect single handedly allowed Microsoft to explode to a level of success that was fairly unprecedented for them, and they think they can duplicate it by making it the central focus of a platform.

It just sucks for gamers is all. Putting that Kinect in when they can use the money spent on including one with every system on enhancing aspects of the console that actually fucking matter, ya know?



Naw, I don't really drink anymore. NA meetings says it's just one gateway away from going back to my old life... I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but it seems to be working so far so I'm sticking to it :(

But I am so keeping this dilapidated typewriter that's always connected to the internet!

But Amirox, you just have to imagine the possibilities when you are the controller.
 
I think most people actually like always on and installing to HDD. I hate having to change discs everytime I want to play a different game and if the disc gets damaged you loose the whole game. Plus I still have bad memories of the xbox 1's malfunctioning disc drive with its "disc read errors"

Always on is good because I can start it right away just like an iphone or iPad and when im not around it can update games and complete tasks by itself.
 
My worst fear is if both platform holders force their camera on end users. I only have so much room and having to switch cameras out just to play a game is such a hassle.

That and you have to be pretty trusting to let a device into your house which is always on, always connected to the internet, whose operations are not controlled by you that has a camera always pointed into your living space.

Shit like this is just the beginning

http://boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html
 
Wow, I thought it was going to be tough to choose which system to go with this holiday. You just made my decision a hundred times easier, thanks Microsoft :)

Oh just you wait!

You and every other person on this forum will be eating FRESH HOT CROW when you see how this system really is! Just you wait! My fresh store of wink-wink-nudge-nudge insider knowledge that I can only hint to you in the most painfully obvious fashion tells me everyone will be lining up to pre-order one the next day!
 
Oh just you wait!

You and every other person on this forum will be eating FRESH HOT CROW when you see how this system really is! Just you wait! My fresh store of wink-wink-nudge-nudge insider knowledge that I can only hint to you in the most painfully obvious fashion tells me everyone will be lining up to pre-order one the next day!

Salty.
 
Doesn't the 360 already have a low power mode that kicks in when you turn it off while downloading something? Why can't they extend that on the current box to incorporate patches and the like? Is it not really a low power mode?

I have no idea what to believe about what always online / always connected means or doesn't mean, but the requirement for the Kinect to be plugged in seems very strange to me. Why would that be required?
 
How would that enable him to play anything?

i dont know, maybe download and compile (i guess this doesnt explain ps4, but i wouldn't put much past these guys, these are guys known to get games like halo 4 months before anybody else eg the barn video) just grasping at straws here. never thought about it that much.

if the simplest sdk's are truly just software, maybe he was essentially playing them on pc.
 
superdae said something like the durango games he's played are smoother than ps4 ones. i suspect thats why.

SuperDAE finally admitted in hist post-arrest Kotaku interview he'd never touched a Durango. He was full of shit in the majority of his claims. He certainly had access to Durango developer documents, but never access of the system (in any of its dev iterations).

He’d never had the Durangos. They’d been sent to his friend in the United States or at least to a drop location his friend had access to. He was just the face for the eBay sales. He hadn’t sold them. It became less and less clear to me what role, if any, he played in accessing them — to the extent that he and the hackers he knew really managed to trick Microsoft into sending that sensitive hardware out.

“I never personally touched the Durango itself,” he told me

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/02/the-rise-and-fall-of-superdae-a-most-unusual-aussie-game-hacker/
 
Oh just you wait!

You and every other person on this forum will be eating FRESH HOT CROW when you see how this system really is! Just you wait! My fresh store of wink-wink-nudge-nudge insider knowledge that I can only hint to you in the most painfully obvious fashion tells me everyone will be lining up to pre-order one the next day!

You forgot to add the fact that the guy saying that works for Microsoft on top of everything else :lol
 
I mean I understand why they're doing it. The Kinect single handedly allowed Microsoft to explode to a level of success that was fairly unprecedented for them, and they think they can duplicate it by making it the central focus of a platform.

It just sucks for gamers is all. Putting that Kinect in when they can use the money spent on including one with every system on enhancing aspects of the console that actually fucking matter, ya know?

I agree that Kinect is just disheartening because the money, time, and energy could (and should) be spent elsewhere.

It's funny because I think it's absolutely a HUGE mistake on their part.

You only get one shot at stuff like this (see: Wii and WiiU). Going back to the well again isn't really an option. Kinect strengthened the brand overall, extended the brand to people who didn't ever think about Xbox, and allowed them to milk the 360 for an additional 2 years of profit upon what they realistically thought they could.

Trying to use that as the crux for their new platform could be a disaster, when nobody cares about it anymore.
 
So based on this required to HDD thing. Does that mean it's impossible for you to play a new game you bought at your buddies house on his console?
 
i dont know, maybe download and compile (i guess this doesnt explain ps4, but i wouldn't put much past these guys, these are guys known to get games like halo 4 months before anybody else eg the barn video) just grasping at straws here. never thought about it that much.

if the simplest sdk's are truly just software, maybe he was essentially playing them on pc.
Sorry, but it sounds like complete nonsense.
 
That and you have to be pretty trusting to let a device into your house which is always on, always connected to the internet, whose operations are not controlled by you that has a camera always pointed into your living space.

Shit like this is just the beginning

http://boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html

this is every bit as nuts as the wink wink nudge nudge everybody is blasting about specs and such.

you do know pretty much 500 million laptops in circulation, basically all of them, have a built in camera in them right?
 
Oh just you wait!

You and every other person on this forum will be eating FRESH HOT CROW when you see how this system really is! Just you wait! My fresh store of wink-wink-nudge-nudge insider knowledge that I can only hint to you in the most painfully obvious fashion tells me everyone will be lining up to pre-order one the next day!

Proamir0x
 
Yes, I will.
I live in an area with constant connection issues. And I mean CONSTANT. Having an always-online console is not much of an option for me. I can't change internet providers, either.

I don't play online too much now because of it. Why would I buy a console that I can't honestly work with half of the time?


You'll still be able to play. You just won't get updates when the system is off (on in low power state), unless you're connected to the internet.
 
I don't like these rumors at all, as I would always rather have the option to do something than be forced.

However, couldn't any concern about invasion of privacy be solved by just turning the camera away or at the worst putting some duct tape over the camera lenses and mic?
 
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